Before Big Bang

[Our Lord Sasuke]

What if before this universe was.. another universe or more accurately another kind of laws of physics, a universe that does not require time and space (yeah sounds strange) something different from our perceptions.
After that this universe collapsed and resulted in our universe.. maybe this why we can not understand what was before our universe.
Do you think guys?

 

[Caliburn]

This is an already existing theory, more or less. Namely that after the momentum of the Big Bang is lost, everything goes back into the opposite direction till all the existing mass is focused again in a single point which is called the Big Crunch. After that it explodes again and they cycle repeats itself.

Don't think it's a popular hypothesis though. In particular because there doesn't seem to be any kind of trace or indication that the universe would shrink.

 

[Our Lord Sasuke]

This is already existing theory, more or less. Namely that after the momentum of the Big Bang is lost, everything goes back into the opposite direction till all the existing mass is focused again in a single point which is called the Big Crunch. After that it explodes again and they cycle repeats itself.

Don't think it's a popular hypothesis though. In particular because there doesn't seem to be any kind of trace or indication that the universe would shrink.

Yeah that sounds more like a infinite regress, that the universe will collapses into himself once again.
I am just wonder if the universe will be the same.

 

[Marin]

This is an already existing theory, more or less. Namely that after the momentum of the Big Bang is lost, everything goes back into the opposite direction till all the existing mass is focused again in a single point which is called the Big Crunch. After that it explodes again and they cycle repeats itself.

Don't think it's a popular hypothesis though. In particular because there doesn't seem to be any kind of trace or indication that the universe would shrink.

I don't get how exactly that would work though, since there would be an infinite cycle of universes. I don't see how we could be here if there was an infinite amount of universes before us, when does our turn come?

OT: Noone knows really. Maybe another universe or some other system, really we can't even concieve it considering how we're only able to think in terms of our universe.

 

[Yami Silver]

This is an already existing theory, more or less. Namely that after the momentum of the Big Bang is lost, everything goes back into the opposite direction till all the existing mass is focused again in a single point which is called the Big Crunch. After that it explodes again and they cycle repeats itself.

Don't think it's a popular hypothesis though. In particular because there doesn't seem to be any kind of trace or indication that the universe would shrink.

The evidence behind it is the theory of gravity and the observation of red shift of galaxies.

 

[Marin]

The evidence behind it is the theory of gravity and the observation of red shift of galaxies.

That's just evidence for the Big Bang though.

 

[Our Lord Sasuke]

I don't get how exactly that would work though, since there would be an infinite cycle of universes. I don't see how we could be here if there was an infinite amount of universes before us, when does our turn come?

OT: Noone knows really. Maybe another universe or some other system, really we can't even concieve it considering how we're only able to think in terms of our universe.

True.

 

[Arian]

dude thats where galactus comes from!:

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[FreakensteinAG]

I don't get how exactly that would work though, since there would be an infinite cycle of universes. I don't see how we could be here if there was an infinite amount of universes before us, when does our turn come?

This isn't my field, but even if the universe is known to cycle repeatedly, this is simply our cycle in a chain of cycles yet to come. Keep in mind that each cycle is purported to take several hundred billion years, based on the rate of current blue-shifting and the minimum temperature before gravity itself fails.

Multiverse theory fills in the hole that we currently have with the "start" of expansion. When there's a gap in matter (the 'light' matter that we can see, and the 'dark' matter that is very difficult to perceive), the space is deemed 'dark energy', which is this force that holds universes together. Unless there's been some big discovery recently that I'm not aware of, there is currently no means in current science that allows us to perceive dark energy, much less know a use for it. POINT IS, expansion keeps happening, and the universe gets incrementally colder. Well, multiverse theory states that collision of these expanding universes is what causes expansion (big bang).

 

[Nobel]

Graviton's won't perform such a action, since a reversal of casuality would only produce the absence of reality which is nothing at all.

 

[HashiraMadara]

This is an already existing theory, more or less. Namely that after the momentum of the Big Bang is lost, everything goes back into the opposite direction till all the existing mass is focused again in a single point which is called the Big Crunch. After that it explodes again and they cycle repeats itself.

Don't think it's a popular hypothesis though. In particular because there doesn't seem to be any kind of trace or indication that the universe would shrink.

Big Crunch = old school hipster fodder hypothesis.

Big Rip took over since universe expansion seems far far greater than its gravity('Dark' energy > 'dark ' matter') so it doesn't and will never slow down to 'Big Crunch".

OTT:
Mathematically there is no "before" big bang and "outside" universe since spacetime time is cosmic created. Saying Before big bang is like blowing sails of a boat you're in with own synthesized air or pushing a truck while you're on it. Mathematically retarded

 

[HashiraMadara]

Graviton's won't perform such a action, since a reversal of casuality would only produce the absence of reality which is nothing at all.

First taychon, now graviton. Why are you a particle soup theory victim :| . Graviton = hypothetical particle of a hipster Physicist trying to harmonize large scale gravity and quantum gravity hence Theory of Everything.

BTW very few men are brave enough to incorporate the word 'nothing' in their argument.

 

[Marin]

Big Crunch = old school hipster fodder hypothesis.

Big Rip took over since universe expansion seems far far greater than its gravity('Dark' energy > 'dark ' matter') so it doesn't and will never slow down to 'Big Crunch".

OTT:
Mathematically there is no "before" big bang and "outside" universe since spacetime time is cosmic created. Saying Before big bang is like blowing sails of a boat you're in with own synthesized air or pushing a truck while you're on it. Mathematically retarded

It does make sense if the big bang happened in a multiverse of some sort. It wouldn't be our kind of time but it's better than nothing. Also, even if there is no physical time there can be a metaphysical time (thoughts in the mind of God as they say).

 

[HashiraMadara]

It does make sense if the big bang happened in a multiverse of some sort. It wouldn't be our kind of time but it's better than nothing. Also, even if there is no physical time there can be a metaphysical time (thoughts in the mind of God as they say).

That's pseudo science. Strings tried the multiverse BS but it brings a load of baggage with it that science is not going to deal with.

 

[Marin]

That's pseudo science. Strings tried the multiverse BS but it brings a load of baggage with it that science is not going to deal with.

I tend to forget you have a vendetta against science :sdo:

 

[HashiraMadara]

I tend to forget you have a vendetta against science :sdo:

I wouldn't call it vendetta but I am sitting and waiting to see who else bring down the foundations of current science and bring new one like Einstein did because the current science we have reached limit of its equations.

 

[Marin]

I wouldn't call it vendetta but I am sitting and waiting to see who else bring down the foundations of current science and bring new one like Einstein did because the current science we have reached limit of its equations.

Well you dislike the M-theory but the science community is in general hyping the crap out of M-theory so you are at odds with them. I'm a schmuck when it comes to science so I won't tell you that you're wrong but if all these people (with way more credidentials) think the post-quantum science isn't happening, idk how much I can believe you.

 

[Оdin]

Well you dislike the M-theory but the science community is in general hyping the crap out of M-theory so you are at odds with them. I'm a schmuck when it comes to science so I won't tell you that you're wrong but if all these people (with way more credidentials) think the post-quantum science isn't happening, idk how much I can believe you.

He thinks he's some sort of God when he's simply stuck on this rock just like all the great scientists who were also bound to this rock and were no closer to getting their answers.

 

[Marin]

He thinks he's some sort of God when he's simply stuck on this rock just like all the great scientists who were also bound to this rock and were no closer to getting their answers.

Aren't you making a claim to truth with this though?

 

[HashiraMadara]

Well you dislike the M-theory but the science community is in general hyping the crap out of M-theory so you are at odds with them. I'm a schmuck when it comes to science so I won't tell you that you're wrong but if all these people (with way more credidentials) think the post-quantum science isn't happening, idk how much I can believe you.

Hype = 0 value because Maths is the language of science so it shows it's possible to have multiverse the problem is it's impossible to ever "prove or visit it". Maths shows it will never be knowed so to keep on having a Transcendent Grand universe that can never been proven is no different from theism. That's why I am saying Physics now = Religion