Bee vs Kabuto

[Kaede]

I agree with Owarij and Ej. Kabuto has this.

 

[slimreaper]

The only remote chance Bee has winning is by going Full 8 Tails mode and using continuous Bijuu dama. Even then Dsm kabuto can summon manda 2 which can take on the 8 tails. If the 8 tails preps a bijuu dama, k

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thus potentially evading the TBB.

Honestly the way Bee is winning this is with his bijuu damas and even that isnt a certain victory.

how does manda 2 fit in that cave?

 

[Rainbow Dash]

I'm going to participate in killing this thread too.. since I'm bored with nothing to do in my last 2 weeks of summer.

I would like to address Manda 2 involvement in this battle. Manda 2 was powerful enough to move an entire island by itself in the water. Killer Bee had a hard time

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Manda 2 clearly has far superior physical strength. Regarding it's size, it was able to wrap itself around the turtle island. The island that encompasses hundreds of beasts that are all as large as Killer Bee. Something the size of Madara Mokuryuu was also able to tango with the likes of BM Naruto. Manda 2 has far superior stats than Madara's Mokuryuu.

Manda 2 can also be used as a defense against Killer Bee's larger scale Bijuudama's. Since Manda 2 is a snake, it could wrap itself around Kabuto in a similar fashion where a snake would

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Manda 2 is not only incredibly thick, but it's very long. Long enough to wrap it's body around Kabuto enough times where it layers it's thick body. This would be a much more solid and thicker defense than what Gaara showcased in his

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Bogard argued that Continuous Bijuudama would cause a problem, but a single shell from the Continuous Bijuudama is relatively weaker than a fully charged one showcased

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There are so many counters to a Bijuudama that Kabuto has, it's not even funny. Tayuya's Mugen Onsa is a great counter to Bijuudamas. Genjutsu may be broken out by Gyuki inside Bee, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it has no effect on a Jinchuriki. It takes

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for the Gyuki to dispel a genjutsu. If Killer Bee were to get trapped under Mugen Onsa while charging his shell, Bee would lose control over his Bijuudama. Thus, the result would be the same thing that happened to KCM Naruto, the shell would explode right in front of Bee. We all know what happens when Bee tanks a Bijuudama, Bee

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I've already explained above on how even the basic D-rank Doton can deflect Bijuudama's into the sky, much like what the fodder alliance was trying to do with the Juubi's continent bomb. There is the possibility that Muki Tensei can control Bijuudama's itself, considering that a Bijuudama is inorganic.

In Bijuu Mode, Killer Bee is relatively slower than his chakra cloak forms. His size and slower speed makes Killer Bee a much easier target to hit. Sawarabi no Mae is a garuanteed hit, and so are earth spikes coming from every direction with Muki Tensei.

People argue that a V2 cloak would be unscathed by Kabuto's offense, which is false. With the scan that EjBlack provided, Kabuto rip through a Susanoo shroud with his teeth. That goes to show you how powerful the physical strength granted by Nature energy is. To further my point, he can swipe human flesh

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with just his physical strength. Notice how both these feats were without Kabuto having to enhance his attacks with chakra scalpel. His raw physical strength is already deadly. What makes Chakra Scalpel even deadlier is that he can

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My argument so far has been for being outside a cave. I think everyone already knows that White Rage GG's pretty anyone with a humanoid form inside a cave, except for Rikudou of course.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Kabuto wins.

Outside he loses.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yeah, Kabuto takes this.

 

[slimreaper]

I have to address this point. I think people miss that fact about Manda 2 size. It had the length (not width) to cover a whole turtle

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that held animals and Hachibi. Manda can definitely suppress and strangle the Hachibi..

People also tend to forget that Sage Mode give the ability to access super human strength too. That means if Kabuto is up close he can

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Hachibi or give him a

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. And for Hachibi's case we know that the bigger they are the harder they fall. Example would be when the 5-Tails Knocked him down and it took a couple of pages for him to recover on the floor.

Hachibi's TBB will not be a problem as Kabuto can freely control the floor of the earth (Inorganic Reincarnation). He can let him ruin his balance, making hit direct the blast somewhere else. Or he can create slopes/walls in front of the Blast which makes it blow up at Hachibi's area/range. Anything is possible for Kabuto if he can reanimated it.

And If by chance he does get hit. We have seen Suijetsu surviving from that attack due to his unique body. He needed to

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to recover from that attack. Kabuto has access to a different way to recover due to Karin's DNA. Kabuto will eventually self-regenerate back into normal.

How exactly does Bee deal with the Sound 5 techs? We all know that they are even boost through Senjtusu.

-Once spider webs attach him Bee the next attack will be over.
-How does Sound Genjutsu w/Senjutsu boost get broken? By normal methods?
-How does he dodge dance fern being an easy target, when going Buijuu Mode.

As for V2 why do you not think Sage Kabuto is unable to bypass it with Chakra Scalpel? With just his bear teeth he was able to rip through Sussanoo

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. Adding his Sage strength and Scaple w/Senjutsu boost is enough proof that V2 durability is not saving him.

1. naruto and kabuto aren't interchangeable. the both have different forms of sage mode so don't cross reference their abilities
2. the 5 tails stabbed the hachibi, it did not just knock him down

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as for breaking through a "susanoo shroud" with his teeth. that is about as difficulty as breaking through jelly with your teeth.

what provides the defense for a susanoo? im glad you asked... its the bone structure

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tell me where you see bones here

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some feat of strength

that being said manda 2 can't be used in a cave and kabuto gets overwhelmed by bee's kenjutsu. if hit by a single raiton sword you can say good bye to liquification

 

[Brother Numpsay]

1. naruto and kabuto aren't interchangeable. the both have different forms of sage mode so don't cross reference their abilities

By what abilities did I gave Kabuto feats that only Naruto can do in Sage Mode. I hope your not going to nitpick Kabuto uses that he hasn't shown that Naruto have (via specific increase attributes) because the manga explains that becoming a Sage: perception abilities, reflexes, strength, speed, and stamina dramatically increase (

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2. the 5 tails stabbed the hachibi, it did not just knock him down

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No disrespect but, so? That does change the fact that when he was knocked down he was hard for him to recover. He landed hard. The tackle did most of the concussion damage, while the horn damage was enough to recover. When he recovered he made sure not to let that happen

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. We have also discovered that even Summons proved that the bigger they are the harder

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fall. (Cant find Buntas words for now but its there))

as for breaking through a "susanoo shroud" with his teeth. that is about as difficulty as breaking through jelly with your teeth.

Proof that its that weak? That is the foundation of Sussanoo which then can materialize it into harder substance. It instantly materialized a full Sussanoo arm. So where is your proof.

what provides the defense for a susanoo? im glad you asked... its the bone structure

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tell me where you see bones here

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some feat of strength

Same as above. I know the bone structure its what makes the defense harder but that chakra shroud is the foundation of creating Sussanoo from Base-Up. You have no proof that it is weak it that shroud instantly materialized a full Sussanoo arm.

that being said manda 2 can't be used in a cave and kabuto gets overwhelmed by bee's kenjutsu. if hit by a single raiton sword you can say good bye to liquification

Thats okay if Manda 2 can't be used outside as the Cave is bound to break when Bee goes BM. He can use it then

Except that Kabuto's reflexes speed has increased through Senjutsu that gives him that upper hand. And infact possibly breaking his swords while he is at it. And except that Kabuto has instant regeneration so Raiton won't do crap not that fact that Kabuto created his OWN FLUIDS to counteract Suijetsu. Those fluids can be anything. And most likely not conductible.