Be The Or Else!

[BrillyMac]

For people that said Justice Or Else wouldnt work. Even if theyre not with the movement, Im pretty sure they have seen it. And even if they did not, this just shows you the power of what The Or Else can do. We are redistributing the pain for injustices done. This football team said to college football, a 100 billion dollar industry, that they would not play until they got justice. This is the purpose of the Justice Or Else movement. The government does not have to give us justice but then they will have to face the Or Else.

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Many people are onboard for Justice Or Else. From JCole to The Game to Kanye West to Russell Simmons. Even a local drill rap(murder rap/gang rap) music group in Chicago by the name of GMEBE. And even Fredo Santana from GBE

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[LustyLover]

Lmao please stop

 

[Stant]

funny

 

[Multiply]

Only thing I don't agree with is the 'Give us land' bit. Why the f-ck do they deserve land? :lol.

 

[AndreJNZ]

**** your Land....work for it.

 

[Angelic.]

be the what? @.@

 

[YowYan]

The neocons probably chuckled at this movement. But I can only give my respects for the fact some are trying

 

[hixa kuogame]

Why are murder gang members fighting for justice?

 

[BrillyMac]

Only thing I don't agree with is the 'Give us land' bit. Why the f-ck do they deserve land? :lol.

**** your Land....work for it.

We worked for free for 400 years and built this country. Why shouldnt we deserve land? The US government barely admits its guilt by taking the land from the indigenous people by giving them the little amount of land they give them. The basis of this country came from our hands. Back in slavery times it was unusual for a white man to pick up even a hammer

Why are murder gang members fighting for justice?

They are the product of socioengineered savagery. They were put in that condition. But after they met with The Minister they pretty much stopped. Its also justice against us killing each other

 

[chopstickchakra]

No justice for the Chinese the early Americans forced to build the railroads?
No justice for the Irish immigrants who only sought a better and live-able life but were treated lower than 2nd rate citizens and called the N-word?
No justice for the Japanese and Muslims we persecute and wrongfully intern during our wars with them?

See my issue is not that you claim to want justice for yourselves, it's that you claim to want justice for everybody then focus primarily(95% or better) on yourself. Just come out and say it for what it is, we don't feel like we have enough give us more, that could be more representation, more security, more trust, the point is they're asking for themselves to be given things because some people did some dirty shit to some other people. Which has little to nothing to do with the actual people in position to do anything about it today. Also as I said before, the government won't be giving land to anyone especially a group that tries to use intimidation to achieve it's means. The US gov't doesn't even give lands to it's citizens why would this movement get any land. The idea behind it is pure sensationalism. Nobody actually owns land in America except the gov't, we all pay land taxes so we can be allowed to stay there but you better understand well; if you house is ever paid off and you stop paying your property taxes, YOU WILL lose your right to have that house on that property and if you can not afford a way to relocate it you will be looking for a new house.

And the claim about "for blacks who have given America 460 years of blood and sweat" is a hyperbole if I ever saw one. I understand the intent but it's just so extremist it has to be mentioned. Not every black person in America today even had ancestors involved in the slavery here, some came after it had ended. Plus a majority(from what I see and am shown) of them here now don't shed blood and sweat to build this country in fact they are seemingly actively trying to subvert it. Besides that how do you even begin to decide something like reparations really? First you have to set a standard living wage from the time, calculate it to current economic standings, then devise a way to gauge hours of service then decide if different tasks deserve different compensation but if you give a flat rate then that can lead to unrest amongst the recipients of field slaves feeling as if they should receive more than ancestors of house slaves.

 

[Yubel]

What justice are these people talking about? Like what do they want the government to do specifically?

 

[chopstickchakra]

We worked for free for 400 years and built this country. Why shouldnt we deserve land? The US government barely admits its guilt by taking the land from the indigenous people by giving them the little amount of land they give them. The basis of this country came from our hands. Back in slavery times it was unusual for a white man to pick up even a hammer


They are the product of socioengineered savagery. They were put in that condition. But after they met with The Minister they pretty much stopped. Its also justice against us killing each other

Uhm it's 2015 and the first man made a legal slave in the US was John Casor in 1654, that's 361.If you don't trust me you can check with Berkeley

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Mass population of the country by foreigners didn't start until after 1592 which is still 423 years. Your numbers are a bit off.

As for your claim about white men in slavery time that's just simply not true at all. The Irish were commonly hired along slaves for physical and menial labor. They were often associated in the same class of citizen as a slave as well by the primarily English, Spanish and French citizens. When you say white what you really mean is British but you don't recognize that and then you say white as an all encompassing term and detract from your points.

As for land, no one, NO ONE, owns property in America besides the gov't. We pay property tax to rent the land from the gov't. When you die with no ancestors the land goes back to the gov't, when you stop paying property taxes the land goes back to the government, when the gov't wants to expand a road your house sits on the edge of they offer you a relocation compensation if you do not accept they take the property and you have to leave anyway. People do not own land in America, I can not stress that enough.

 

[Tarkatower]

oh boi.

 

[Multiply]

No justice for the Chinese the early Americans forced to build the railroads?
No justice for the Irish immigrants who only sought a better and live-able life but were treated lower than 2nd rate citizens and called the N-word?
No justice for the Japanese and Muslims we persecute and wrongfully intern during our wars with them?

See my issue is not that you claim to want justice for yourselves, it's that you claim to want justice for everybody then focus primarily(95% or better) on yourself. Just come out and say it for what it is, we don't feel like we have enough give us more, that could be more representation, more security, more trust, the point is they're asking for themselves to be given things because some people did some dirty shit to some other people. Which has little to nothing to do with the actual people in position to do anything about it today. Also as I said before, the government won't be giving land to anyone especially a group that tries to use intimidation to achieve it's means. The US gov't doesn't even give lands to it's citizens why would this movement get any land. The idea behind it is pure sensationalism. Nobody actually owns land in America except the gov't, we all pay land taxes so we can be allowed to stay there but you better understand well; if you house is ever paid off and you stop paying your property taxes, YOU WILL lose your right to have that house on that property and if you can not afford a way to relocate it you will be looking for a new house.

And the claim about "for blacks who have given America 460 years of blood and sweat" is a hyperbole if I ever saw one. I understand the intent but it's just so extremist it has to be mentioned. Not every black person in America today even had ancestors involved in the slavery here, some came after it had ended. Plus a majority(from what I see and am shown) of them here now don't shed blood and sweat to build this country in fact they are seemingly actively trying to subvert it. Besides that how do you even begin to decide something like reparations really? First you have to set a standard living wage from the time, calculate it to current economic standings, then devise a way to gauge hours of service then decide if different tasks deserve different compensation but if you give a flat rate then that can lead to unrest amongst the recipients of field slaves feeling as if they should receive more than ancestors of house slaves.

I'd agree however it's not only for black people.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

How about "Just Be Yourself". Forget Justice.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I'd agree however it's not only for black people.

I know it's not but the majority of the focus is. This didn't start from police harassment cases being discussed daily about Latinos or Native Americans. The majority of the celebrity boosts and public figures aren't either. I feel like if we're being honest here they threw that on because they knew it would gain them more support, I don't feel they truly believe it though. If they were given the choice of all or nothing or getting their piece I feel the leaders of this group would take their piece and not worry about the rest. That's just the image I get from the messages I see and from the words of their supporters.

 

[Multiply]

I know it's not but the majority of the focus is. This didn't start from police harassment cases being discussed daily about Latinos or Native Americans. The majority of the celebrity boosts and public figures aren't either. I feel like if we're being honest here they threw that on because they knew it would gain them more support, I don't feel they truly believe it though. If they were given the choice of all or nothing or getting their piece I feel the leaders of this group would take their piece and not worry about the rest. That's just the image I get from the messages I see and from the words of their supporters.

Nah, that's what they're about. You also have to remember that the supporters aren't the leaders. I think the leaders are doing a bad job of keeping the focus on what they want done. Then we won't have idiotic protesters asking for the death of people and making it seem like that is what the protest is about.

 

[BrillyMac]

I know it's not but the majority of the focus is. This didn't start from police harassment cases being discussed daily about Latinos or Native Americans. The majority of the celebrity boosts and public figures aren't either. I feel like if we're being honest here they threw that on because they knew it would gain them more support, I don't feel they truly believe it though. If they were given the choice of all or nothing or getting their piece I feel the leaders of this group would take their piece and not worry about the rest. That's just the image I get from the messages I see and from the words of their supporters.

Woah Woah Woah! Stop there. See thats where youre wrong. The head of the movement, The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan has been doing the work since 1955. By the way hes the guy who everyone wants to take a pic with. Hes 82 years old and is in no ways tired. He gets ona plane just about every other day to go teach somewhere. Prominent Jewish leaders have offered him millions to stop telling the truth. And the people are really about what they say. Thats why The Games new album is talking about gang unity. Thats why 2 chains even put The Ministers name in a song knowing he was risking coming under media fire. Thats why young jeezy just released politically correct. Thats why so called drill rappers can come out and say theyre supporting justice too. By the way theres a white boy in the group. He tried to sit down because he didnt think he was worthy and The Minister told him to stand up because hes fighting for justice too. Our Native American family deserves just as much justice as we do. He actually made that a point at part 2 of the Justice Or Else message. NO one is fighting for justice to "get their piece".

Nah, that's what they're about. You also have to remember that the supporters aren't the leaders. I think the leaders are doing a bad job of keeping the focus on what they want done. Then we won't have idiotic protesters asking for the death of people and making it seem like that is what the protest is about.

How so? The goal right now is very clear and and people in the movement should know and there's no way that they wouldn't know that were boycotting blackfriday and Christmas. That's the goal. It's been a clear message. What part wasn't clear to you?

 

[Sir Francis Drake]

"We're crazy!" said the Justice or Else movement and everyone laughed at them.

 

[BrillyMac]

"We're crazy!" said the Justice or Else movement and everyone laughed at them.

Not funny. Your profile pic looks crazy. Shows the respect you have for yourself