Basing on Hype and statements from the manga Edo Madara > Hashirama [Please read ]

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Hello guys I would like to talk about reason why Edo Madara should be > Hashirama according to hype and statements from the manga so far.

We know that everything in the world is created basing on Yin and Yang elements or both of them combined together.

Edo Madara has something which can even trumps Shin Susenjuu and this is the almighty so much underrated these days The Rinnegan. To be more specific mastery over Ying-Yang release offered by Rinnegan to it's wielder.

Concept of Ying and yang along with Connection Perfect Sussano and Shin Susenjuu to them:

Now what the Ying and Yang basically are:

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^^ Yin element is based on administering Imagination and the spiritual energy it can create any shape of form from nothingness.

^^Yang element is based on administering vitality and the physcial energy it can breathe life into that form.

What truly is Perfect Sussano ?

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^^ Perfect Sussano is basically massive construct of chakra with great thickness made from multi layers of chakra based on Yin element. It fits perfectly describe of Yin element as Uchiha has to imagine and give shape to his Sussano(which form from nothingness) being visible thanks to spiritual energy.

What truly is Shin Susenjuu ?

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^^ Shin Susenjuu is basically unanimated massive statue made of wood element base on Yang element. It fits perfectly describe of Yang element as Senjuu has to put his physcial energy into unanimated statue to breath life into it and make it able to move.

The Rinnegan's abilities and it's connection with Ying-Yang release

Now, what abilities the Rinnegan grants to it's user ?

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^^ As Jirayia said The Rinnegan user(in this example Nagato) can master the use of all six types of chakra. The first five we know as: wind release, fire release, lightining release, earth release and water release with sixth and last type of chakra is Ying Yang release and proved by Madara, here:

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^^ Madara says that he will teach Obito In'Youton Jutsu which literally is translated to Ying Yang release techniques.

Considering also this scan:

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It trully makes sense that The Rinnegan allow it's wiedler to use any technique... with mastery over six types of chakra it is very much possible.

Also basing on hype in these scans:

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"Tool of Heaven... Tool of God that would bring salvation when the world was in Chaos... Or a Weapon that would destroy all Creation and Return Everything to dust. "

First part of sentence could be reffered to using Ying Yang release to create aka Creation of All things, while last part of sentence could be reffered to using Ying Yang release to destroy aka Destruction of all things as Obito is using Onmyoudon.

My Own thoughts about The Rinnegan, Ten tails and Yin-Yang release

I believe that Every Rinnengan users have potential to use Ying Yang release to create: Creation of All things or to destroy: Onmyoudon...., however it make take huge risk and requires a lot of chakra that why only as ten tails host Obito begin to spam this black fluid. Another proof is that Ten tails wasn't shown able to use such black matter fluid or other things. Same could be said about Obito's Flying ability being simple deva path ability enhanced with Ten tails chakra.

Maybe only as Ten tails host you can use Ying-Yang release at the same time while just having Rinnengan allows you only to use either Ying or yang release at one time.

I hope that I proved Rinnegan Madara > Hashirama basing on hype and statements

However basing on feats sadly Hashirama > any form of Madara.

Also why Rinnegan Madara could easily destroys The Shin Susenjuu... Senjutsu boosting it could be problem here.

so in the end it could be Rinnegan Madara >=SM Hashirama

SUMMARY :​
  • Everything in Naruto world is based on Ying and yang concept. Either something is Ying, Yang or both.
  • Perfect Sussano is pinacle of Yin element while Shin Susenjuu is pinacle of Yang element
  • Rinnegan grants it's wielder ability to master use of six types of chakra: Wind release, fire release, earth release, water release, lightining release and Ying-Yang release.
  • Ying- Yang release allows to create: Creation of all things or to destroy: Onmyoudon
  • Mastery over Ying-yang release is perfect counter of the Rinnegan to Perfect Sussano and Shin Susenjuu
  • The Rinnegan is truelly the most powerfull occular power being able to nulify Perfect Sussano and even Shin Susenjuu.
  • Potentialy by manga hype and statements Rinnegan Madara > Hashirama
  • By Manga feats so far Hashirama > any form of Madara
  • Senjutsu could be problem for even the Rinnegan

Thanks for reading !

Please share your thoughts ;)
 

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Re: Basing on Hype and statements from the manga Edo Madara > Hashirama [Please read

I thought this was common knowledge but i liked the way you explained it and the effort you put into your points.
 

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Re: Basing on Hype and statements from the manga Edo Madara > Hashirama [Please read

That's really interesting, man. Especially with the middle part.
 

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Re: Basing on Hype and statements from the manga Edo Madara > Hashirama [Please read

Good read. You broke it down well.
 

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Re: Basing on Hype and statements from the manga Edo Madara > Hashirama [Please read

This whole thread is based on the baseless assumption that Onmyoudon is a Rinnegan technique even though Obito only got it when he became the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, meaning its a Juubi thing.

Rinnegan users not being able to utilize Yin and Yang is clearly false as Madara used Yin Yang Release to pour his will into Zetsu's body, creating Black Zetsu. Even Sharingan users can utilize Yin Yang Techniques. (Izanagi)

You should have named this thread "Based on my theory Rinnegan Madara>SM Hashirama"
 

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Re: Basing on Hype and statements from the manga Edo Madara > Hashirama [Please read

nice read

hashirama still solos tho
 
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Re: Basing on Hype and statements from the manga Edo Madara > Hashirama [Please read

one thing i want to tell you all that rinnegan madara can never beat hashirama.now you are asking how could be this possible? the thing is madara will never rely on rinnegan to fight hashirama,so PS is again a bullshit weapon against hashirama senju.

OT: if madara uses rinnegan and utilize it in proper manner,madara can easily kill hashirama
 

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Re: Basing on Hype and statements from the manga Edo Madara > Hashirama [Please read

OP: Well Edo Madara has the Rinnegan soooooo we kind of already knew that. And when Hashirama hit the field Madara just sat that and let him and the Alliance battle the Juubi. Madara didn't even see a real need to get off his ass until the battle was taking too long. You've put a lot of research into something that's common knowledge. You're not used to this whole "thinking" thing are you?
 

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Re: Basing on Hype and statements from the manga Edo Madara > Hashirama [Please read

Even if there is no hype that suggest Edo Madara > Edo Hashirama, feats still say Edo Madara > any form of Hashirama.

hype:Madara
Feats: Madara
Kishimto: Madara

therefore Madara > Hashirama. simple as that.
 

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Re: Basing on Hype and statements from the manga Edo Madara > Hashirama [Please read

Even if there is no hype that suggest Edo Madara > Edo Hashirama, feats still say Edo Madara > any form of Hashirama.

hype:Madara
Feats: Madara
Kishimto: Madara

therefore Madara > Hashirama. simple as that.

That mother****er Madara Rules is the mother****ing truth!!! :cool:
 

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Re: Basing on Hype and statements from the manga Edo Madara > Hashirama [Please read

Thanks everyone for feedback ;)

and I pity everyone who underrate The Rinnegan, I hope Kishi won't troll the Rinnegan in the end.
 

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Re: Basing on Hype and statements from the manga Edo Madara > Hashirama [Please read

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