"Base" Sasuke, Power-ups, and Comparisons

[itsxtrayy]

I've never understood the term "base" for Sasuke, to me Sasuke is always in base because his power-ups don't increase his stats, they just give him new abilities. Sasuke doesn't have "modes" like Naruto. For example; base Naruto is slower, weaker, his sense's aren't as sharp, and his ninjutsu and taijutsu aren't as strong as rsm Naruto, but Rinnegan Sasuke with Ems activated runs just as fast and punches just as hard as Sasuke with his sharingan off and his rinnegan covered. Unlike Naruto's sage and bijuu modes which increase his physical stats, his sense's, and his Ninjutsu's and Taijutsu's power. Sasuke activating his Ems or using his Rinnegan does none of those things. Sasuke, without any "modes" to amp his power can keep up with rsm + bijuu amped Naruto.

Sasuke's curse mark increased his stats, but he lost it. So it's not a part of the argument.

One reason why I don't like comparing their power-ups is because the Nature of their power-ups was completely different. Naruto's power-up just took everything he could do and took it to the next level it was a super amp, there was nothing for Naruto to master. Sasuke on the other hand couldn't even fully utilize his power-up because it gave him techniques that he didn't have time to master, Two completely different non comparable power-ups. Kurama clearly points this out.

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[Mari Makinami]

Nice thread.

I agree, Base Sasuke = Rikudo Nardo.

 

[NukaCola]

So, Base Naruto > Rinnegan Sasuke? i like that.

 

[ANiMUS]

So, Base Naruto > Rinnegan Sasuke? i like that.

In physical ability they are equal :bdpf:

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

Um The sharingan increases strength (Sasuke had to activate his sharingan in vote 1 to fight naruto), awareness (u can see movement better), abilities (kakashis raikiri)

 

[seventh 09]

I've never understood the term "base" for Sasuke, to me Sasuke is always in base because his power-ups don't increase his stats, they just give him new abilities. Sasuke doesn't have "modes" like Naruto. For example; base Naruto is slower, weaker, his sense's aren't as sharp, and his ninjutsu and taijutsu aren't as strong as rsm Naruto, but Rinnegan Sasuke with Ems activated runs just as fast and punches just as hard as Sasuke with his sharingan off and his rinnegan covered. Unlike Naruto's sage and bijuu modes which increase his physical stats, his sense's, and his Ninjutsu's and Taijutsu's power. Sasuke activating his Ems or using his Rinnegan does none of those things. Sasuke, without any "modes" to amp his power can keep up with rsm + bijuu amped Naruto.

Sasuke's curse mark increased his stats, but he lost it. So it's not a part of the argument.

One reason why I don't like comparing their power-ups is because the Nature of their power-ups was completely different. Naruto's power-up just took everything he could do and took it to the next level it was a super amp, there was nothing for Naruto to master. Sasuke on the other hand couldn't even fully utilize his power-up because it gave him techniques that he didn't have time to master, Two completely different non comparable power-ups. Kurama clearly points this out.

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you're completely right that naruto's power ups were mostly just stat increasers but sauke's added alot of crucial intangibles. Like for example 2 tomoe sasuke couldnt keep up with 1 tailed naruto's movements 3 tomoe could that was a game changer maybe without the three tomoe sasuke would've lost and be taken home. so what does the mangekyo and rinnegan do, it completely enhances that. Meaning you still have to be fast but you dont have to be faster than your opponent to land a hit. Then theres the fact that sasuke didnt do any kind of taijutsu against madara and kaguya he always used susano and chidori. He didnt even use taijutsu against naruto until he lost his mode.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Great points, i never noticed this part until now.

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"aruto's power-up just took everything he could do and took it to the next level it was a super amp, there was nothing for Naruto to master. Sasuke on the other hand couldn't even fully utilize his power-up because it gave him techniques that he didn't have time to master, Two completely different non comparable power-ups. Kurama clearly points this out."

So, Base Naruto > Rinnegan Sasuke? i like that.

Sounds like you understood nothing he said, or are just joking. I'll go with the latter.

Um The sharingan increases strength (Sasuke had to activate his sharingan in vote 1 to fight naruto), awareness (u can see movement better), abilities (kakashis raikiri)

That's not an increase in physical strength.

 

[shadowcb]

I've never understood the term "base" for Sasuke, to me Sasuke is always in base because his power-ups don't increase his stats, they just give him new abilities. Sasuke doesn't have "modes" like Naruto. For example; base Naruto is slower, weaker, his sense's aren't as sharp, and his ninjutsu and taijutsu aren't as strong as rsm Naruto, but Rinnegan Sasuke with Ems activated runs just as fast and punches just as hard as Sasuke with his sharingan off and his rinnegan covered. Unlike Naruto's sage and bijuu modes which increase his physical stats, his sense's, and his Ninjutsu's and Taijutsu's power. Sasuke activating his Ems or using his Rinnegan does none of those things. Sasuke, without any "modes" to amp his power can keep up with rsm + bijuu amped Naruto.

Sasuke's curse mark increased his stats, but he lost it. So it's not a part of the argument.

One reason why I don't like comparing their power-ups is because the Nature of their power-ups was completely different. Naruto's power-up just took everything he could do and took it to the next level it was a super amp, there was nothing for Naruto to master. Sasuke on the other hand couldn't even fully utilize his power-up because it gave him techniques that he didn't have time to master, Two completely different non comparable power-ups. Kurama clearly points this out.

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You must first understand that the term "base" is a term us readers created so we know the different between when a character is using certain power. Yet, you must remember that Kishi doesn't and has never used that term. To him Naruto using SM is the same Naruto used BM. The different is the jutsu he is using. That would be like him calling Kakashi " Lightning Blade Kakashi" whenever he use that jutsu.

What you said about Naruto is NOT true. Naruto power ups go beyond just a super amp. IE: TSB - it as the ablilty to erase ninjutsu. Naruto never master that power during the war. There's frog fu that allows the user to physically attack with natural energy and use it defensively. We haven't seen Naruto use it defensively. Kurama's chakra can be manipulated several different ways IE: chakra claw, chakra cloak, create powerful shockwave attacks.

A tail beast power can be used 2 different ways. The user can use the tail beast power chakra to amp their stats and jutsu or use the unique power of the tail beast to create specific justu. IE: 1 tails uses magnet release to create sealing jutsu

TSB allow gives him the potential to use any KKG element. The TSB is the combination of all the elements/ying-yang. The manga stated to use KKG elements the user simultaneously creates the necessary elements and then combine them together. So if he combine all the elements/ying-yang together he can combine any combination of elements/ying-yang he wants.

That's the reason Madara used storm release against Naruto -

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This is why Naruto is so powerful and deadly.

There is another active thread that's claiming this same BS.

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

I don't think Sasuke's physical strength is on par with Naruto's RSM physical strength or even his other chakra modes. If Sasuke wants to compete with Naruto in that mode, he has to avoid a physical fight. Have you not noticed that the only time Sasuke fought Naruto in a taijutsu battle was when Naruto was in base or when Sasuke had the CM in part 1 to enhance his physical strength.

When Naruto's in his modes, BM, BSM or RSM, Sasuke needs his Susanoo to compete or he has to hit Naruto with ninjutsu and avoid his attacks with his S/T technique.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

Great points, i never noticed this part until now.

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"aruto's power-up just took everything he could do and took it to the next level it was a super amp, there was nothing for Naruto to master. Sasuke on the other hand couldn't even fully utilize his power-up because it gave him techniques that he didn't have time to master, Two completely different non comparable power-ups. Kurama clearly points this out."

Sounds like you understood nothing he said, or are just joking. I'll go with the latter.



That's not an increase in physical strength.

It's an increase in power. U gain more chakra with more tomoes. More chakra equals more strength or more speed or more fireball Jutsu or more whatever u wanna use the chakra for

 

[SenseiSama]

Sasuke does have "modes" but they're not as power boosting as Naruto's because his base form is already exceptionally strong It also follows the theme of prodigy vs. dropout

In their base forms Sasuke has the stronger chakra because Indra inherited the strong chakra, when Naruto uses outside help (NE/bijuu) his chakra essentially blooms into RSM and makes them equal.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

I don't think Sasuke's physical strength is on par with Naruto's RSM physical strength or even his other chakra modes. If Sasuke wants to compete with Naruto in that mode, he has to avoid a physical fight. Have you not noticed that the only time Sasuke fought Naruto in a taijutsu battle was when Naruto was in base or when Sasuke had the CM in part 1 to enhance his physical strength.

When Naruto's in his modes, BM, BSM or RSM, Sasuke needs his Susanoo to compete or he has to hit Naruto with ninjutsu and avoid his attacks with his S/T technique.

Actually in Part one Sasuke de-activated the CM once he hit Naruto with Chidori, then the Kyuubi healed + powered up Naruto who overwhelmed 2 tomoe Sasuke. Once Sasuke awakened 3 tomoes he overwhelmed Kyuubi Naruto.

It's an increase in power. U gain more chakra with more tomoes. More chakra equals more strength or more speed or more fireball Jutsu or more whatever u wanna use the chakra for

I never read in the manga that the user gains more chakra per tomoe, nor have i ever seen anyone say it until now. His power increases, as in his Sharingan's power, nothing else.

With being able to predict Naruto's movements, Sasuke was able to dodge Naruto + set up his attacks beforehand.

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[Da Best Ever]

Um The sharingan increases strength (Sasuke had to activate his sharingan in vote 1 to fight naruto), awareness (u can see movement better), abilities (kakashis raikiri)

Sharingan doesn't increase strength it increases reflexes and precog and better proficiency with jutsu

 

[To Whatever]

Sharingan doesn't increase strength it increases reflexes and precog and better proficiency with jutsu

Yeah, it gives better precog.

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[SumnNarutoRelated]

Actually in Part one Sasuke de-activated the CM once he hit Naruto with Chidori, then the Kyuubi healed + powered up Naruto who overwhelmed 2 tomoe Sasuke. Once Sasuke awakened 3 tomoes he overwhelmed Kyuubi Naruto.



I never read in the manga that the user gains more chakra per tomoe, nor have i ever seen anyone say it until now. His power increases, as in his Sharingan's power, nothing else.

With being able to predict Naruto's movements, Sasuke was able to dodge Naruto + set up his attacks beforehand.

Read this and the next few pages.

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If a MS grants you the ability to use heavy Chakra resource Justus like Amaterasu and Susanoo, don't u think it would give u the necessary amount of chakra to perform those Justus?

 

[Da Best Ever]

You must first understand that the term "base" is a term us readers created so we know the different between when a character is using certain power. Yet, you must remember that Kishi doesn't and has never used that term. To him Naruto using SM is the same Naruto used BM. The different is the jutsu he is using. That would be like him calling Kakashi " Lightning Blade Kakashi" whenever he use that jutsu.

What you said about Naruto is NOT true. Naruto power ups go beyond just a super amp. IE: TSB - it as the ablilty to erase ninjutsu. Naruto never master that power during the war. There's frog fu that allows the user to physically attack with natural energy and use it defensively. We haven't seen Naruto use it defensively. Kurama's chakra can be manipulated several different ways IE: chakra claw, chakra cloak, create powerful shockwave attacks.

A tail beast power can be used 2 different ways. The user can use the tail beast power chakra to amp their stats and jutsu or use the unique power of the tail beast to create specific justu. IE: 1 tails uses magnet release to create sealing jutsu

TSB allow gives him the potential to use any KKG element. The TSB is the combination of all the elements/ying-yang. The manga stated to use KKG elements the user simultaneously creates the necessary elements and then combine them together. So if he combine all the elements/ying-yang together he can combine any combination of elements/ying-yang he wants.

That's the reason Madara used storm release against Naruto -

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This is why Naruto is so powerful and deadly.

There is another active thread that's claiming this same BS.

Sasuke gets visual boosts naruto gets physical boosts its that simple but this thread is correct naruto gets boosts in chakra which boosts, jutsu power, stamina, health, durability..physical boosts for naruto is automatic mastery, once he gets a physical boost he's automatically faster and stronger while sasuke's visual boosts take time to master, he gets new jutsu that he's never used doesn't have time to master at the moment its given...I mean look how long he's had susano and look how long it took him to get PS... The same for amaterasu he didn't on first usage use shape manipulation... His s/t could only use it 3 times before it has been to be recharged and later on increased range. Same for any visual power even kamui took time to be proficient at just look at kakashi's throughout his kamui usage

 

[Da Best Ever]

If a MS grants you the ability to use heavy Chakra resource Justus like Amaterasu and Susanoo, don't u think it would give u the necessary amount of chakra to perform those Justus?

Nope, those jutsu just use your chakra you already have. Which proven by first usages as seen with any visual power up from kamui to susano the limit of usage is limited and users become exhausted afterwards but overtime they become more proficient and require less chakra...

 

[xxSAGExx]

I've never understood the term "base" for Sasuke, to me Sasuke is always in base because his power-ups don't increase his stats, they just give him new abilities. Sasuke doesn't have "modes" like Naruto. For example; base Naruto is slower, weaker, his sense's aren't as sharp, and his ninjutsu and taijutsu aren't as strong as rsm Naruto, but Rinnegan Sasuke with Ems activated runs just as fast and punches just as hard as Sasuke with his sharingan off and his rinnegan covered. Unlike Naruto's sage and bijuu modes which increase his physical stats, his sense's, and his Ninjutsu's and Taijutsu's power. Sasuke activating his Ems or using his Rinnegan does none of those things. Sasuke, without any "modes" to amp his power can keep up with rsm + bijuu amped Naruto.

Sasuke's curse mark increased his stats, but he lost it. So it's not a part of the argument.

One reason why I don't like comparing their power-ups is because the Nature of their power-ups was completely different. Naruto's power-up just took everything he could do and took it to the next level it was a super amp, there was nothing for Naruto to master. Sasuke on the other hand couldn't even fully utilize his power-up because it gave him techniques that he didn't have time to master, Two completely different non comparable power-ups. Kurama clearly points this out.

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Sharingan amplifies Sasuke's sense of sight, it allows him to do things he couldn't without it activate which means he's not in base since he needs it activated to have the advantages the Sharingan and Rinnegan gives him. Giving MS, EMS, and Rinnegan all increased Sasuke's chakra power; he had more chakra after gaining each. Rinnegan has Rikudo chakra, Obito said he could only handle 1 eye because of this

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Naruto "activates" the mode he wants to go in just like how Sasuke "activates" the doujutsu he wants to use rather it's 3T, EMS, or Rinnegan.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

Nope, those jutsu just use your chakra you already have. Which proven by first usages as seen with any visual power up from kamui to susano the limit of usage is limited and users become exhausted afterwards but overtime they become more proficient and require less chakra...

Yea but u must first be able to perform the jutsu period otherwise it would never activate. That's why Naruto is the only person that we know of that can do massive amounts of shadow clones. Yea thy exhaust him eventually but he would never even be able to do them at all of he didn't have the default amount of chakra necessary to execute it

 

[JustSomeRandomNinja]

Base Sasuke is Sasuke without eye powers active. Base Sasuke has high chakra cuz he's Indra reincarnate, and has Uchiha blood.When he activares his eyes he has:
Ama-a deadly fire jutsu,
Tsukuyomi-nearly unbreakable genjutsu,
Susanoo- Giant chakra construct that can break moutains.
Add that to the Rinnegan abilities and he gets a dang good boost in power. Not the "STAT" kind, but diffiently power wise.

Naruto's the same. Base wise he has huge chakra reserves by being Asura's reincarnate, and his Uzumaki blood. WHen he activates his special abilities, he has SM, BSM, RSM, TSB's, increased strength, speed, and sensory.

You should narrow what you mean by "Base"