Base Old Hiruzen speed > BSM Naruto speed?

[Quajo]

BSM Naruto was not fast enough to outrun the God Tree:

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He got caught and was about to die until someone showed up:

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Hiruzen that's who, he saves Naruto with his almighty Enma Staff. Notice his fight speed is so fast that it literally looks like he has 6 arms and 6 staffs, Gai fights so fast he makes an after image, Hiruzen fights so fast he makes 5 of them...:

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Notice now he picks up Naruto's entire body, note Naruto is not a little child anymore but basically a grown man now. He also speeds away with Naruto to the safety of his father without the God Tree catching him:

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So If I got this right, he out speeded the God Tree, something that BSM Naruto could not do and was about to die, then he speeded away from the God Trees clutches while carrying Naruto, a full grown young man who is fat because he eats lots of Ramen away to safety?

God. How good is Hiruzen? At 70 years old he does stuff like this and he is not even a full power 70 year old because he is Edo Tensei. Imagine his prime o.o Oh God! (Big Sean voice)

P.S. I already established how his base shunshin is on par with KCM Minato's FTG

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Please stop posting such puerile factually and logically deficient arguments. It tells how poorly you have been reading and analyzing the whole story. let me enlighten you, child.

the god tree was going
after chakra; naruto possessing the most chakra was aggressively targeted by the tree.

notice that by the time hiruzen comes in to save naruto, his 9tail chakra cloak had disappeared. the tree allowed hiruzen to escape because he is an edo tensei with no real chakra.

my my my you fanboys in your zeal to glorify your fav character end up portraying kishi's story as one bereft of consistency or plot development,
itachi fanboys are sometimes the worse.

 

[Obítō1]

So you will deny facts right before your eyes. Fanboyism is at a all time high this year. It does not matter if Naruto reflected Bijuu Damas. This is a movement where they were both confronted with the same thing so we can easily compare them to one another and discuss how Hiruzen out speeded it but BSM did not.

Ok i know You are Fapboy And Need hospital But Ok

Base Naruto Was Fast Enough To Save Sakura From sasuke

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sage Mode Naruto . He Was Fast Enough To take Out One Of Pains Body

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Kcm Naruto Was Fast Enough To Block Raikage's Fastest Punch That Only Minato blocked And Hiruzen Said That Minato Was Faster Than Him

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Bm Deflected TBB That Are extreamly Powerfull and Deastroying Mountins

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Bsm Naruto Doesn't shows His Speed And If You Have Brain imagine What it Might be

RM Naruto Has Sage of six path's Senjutsu Body And Chakra And Can Fly Pottentialy Here Look What Did His One punch When He was Base Sage Mode

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In his Base Sage Mode He was Fast Enough To avoid Limbo Clone That Was Fast Enough To Knock Down 9 Bijuus

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Here Dodging Limbo

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So STFU and Don't Deny Manga Facts

 

[Yuse]

naruto is still the fastest

 

[LuckyMan]

Ok i know You are Fapboy And Need hospital But Ok

Base Naruto Was Fast Enough To Save Sakura From sasuke

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sage Mode Naruto . He Was Fast Enough To take Out One Of Pains Body

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Kcm Naruto Was Fast Enough To Block Raikage's Fastest Punch That Only Minato blocked And Hiruzen Said That Minato Was Faster Than Him

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Bm Deflected TBB That Are extreamly Powerfull and Deastroying Mountins

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Bsm Naruto Doesn't shows His Speed And If You Have Brain imagine What it Might be

RM Naruto Has Sage of six path's Senjutsu Body And Chakra And Can Fly Pottentialy Here Look What Did His One punch When He was Base Sage Mode

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In his Base Sage Mode He was Fast Enough To avoid Limbo Clone That Was Fast Enough To Knock Down 9 Bijuus

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Here Dodging Limbo

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So STFU and Don't Deny Manga Facts

Naruto has received plot power-ups to do those while Hiruzen has not. Its okay bro, a 70 year old Edo tensei in base is faster than your favorite:

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[UltimateHawk]

At least you tried.

 

[Obítō1]

Naruto has received plot power-ups to do those while Hiruzen has not. Its okay bro, a 70 year old Edo tensei in base is faster than your favorite:

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[Bling Kai]

Here we go again this troll thread gets this.

This is an interesting thread with a lot of well constructed arguments, and it's definitely a subject I think about often. Obviously, the answer to this question is highly subjective, and I don't believe there is a single right answer. I like reading everyone's opinion on the matter, though, and I hope this discussion goes on.

This is Narutobase thats why.

 

[LuckyMan]

At least you tried.

I did more. I provided scans. All he did was show different scenarios of Narutos speed when Hiruzen was not in those scenarios to show his speed. He wasted his time posting all those scans simply because Hiruzen was not there for us to compare, but in my scans he was. Whose to say he couldn't do all of those speed feats Naruto did since he clearly out speeded the Jubbi when BSM did not. Also dodging limbo was not even a feat because he had already sensed it coming with yet again another plot powerup. There is only 1 scan with Hiruzen and Naruto showcasing their speed together and it is the one I posted and Hiruzen came out superior. Why deny that?

 

[Obítō1]

I did more. I provided scans. All he did was show different scenarios of Narutos speed when Hiruzen was not in those scenarios to show his speed. He wasted his time posting all those scans simply because Hiruzen was not there for us to compare, but in my scans he was. Whose to say he couldn't do all of those speed feats Naruto did since he clearly out speeded the Jubbi when BSM did not. Also dodging limbo was not even a feat because he had already sensed it coming with yet again another plot powerup. There is only 1 scan with Hiruzen and Naruto showcasing their speed together and it is the one I posted and Hiruzen came out superior. Why deny that?

Man You Need Doctor XD

 

[Xāvî1]

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Naruto creates two kage bunshins ^^ and at the bottom left we can see a flash.

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Here ^^^ we can see him stopping attacks from both madara and obito at the same time

So pls stop that silly WanK. And that is only in bijuu mode not even BSM.

 

[Tobby17]

this logic cannot be argued against

Hiruzen speed> BSM Naruto

 

[Solog0d]

Lmaooooo XD

Kcm NAruto

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Bm

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Bsm Is Overkill

And RM Naruto Has Pottentialy Fly XD

dude BSM is literly no difference in BM w/ speed Lol

OT: naruto > hiruzen in any lvl

 

[startup97]

Believe in the Hype!

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Iruka, Ch.94

"The sandaime, in particular, was a genius nicknamed the 'Professor,' and was called the strongest of all the Hokage".

the Sandaime was the strongest.

Databook 1, Page 117

The "Professor" revered as the strongest Hokage in history.

Databook 1, Page 119

"History's Strongest", "Genius", etc., there are many words that describe the Sandaime Hokage.


DB2 Pg 84
Konohamaru paragraph:

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

"Hiruzen in his Prime was able to counter every Leaf Jutsu in Existance including all MS and EMS skills." DB2 Pg 84

Konohamaru paragraph:

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

He who even holds the affectionate name of "Professor," being well-versed in every jutsu that exists in the village of Konohagakure

Hiruzen knows all Hidden Leaf Jutsu which equals =
Hiruzen (sarutobi clan)
Fire Release: Ash Pile Burning
Fire Release: Great Flame Technique
Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Earth Release Shadow Clone
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet
Earth Release: Earth Flow River
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Bullet
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Bullet
Roof Tile Shuriken
Shadow Clone Technique
Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique
Summoning Technique (Monkey King: Enma)
Telescope Technique


Hiruzen w/ Enma
Beast Human Clone
Dynamic Marking
Fang Passing Fang
Fang Rotating Fang (Manga only) - Capable of crushing stone
Fang Wolf Fang - The power is great enough to dent a Rashōmon gate
Four Legs Technique
Human Beast Combination Transformation: Double-Headed Wolf
Passing Fang


Aburame Clan
Secret Technique: Insect Gathering
Insect Clone Technique
Human Cocoon Technique
Insect Jamming Technique
Insect Jar Technique
Parasitic Destruction Insect Technique
Secret Technique: Insect Cocoon
Secret Technique: Insect Sphere
Secret Technique: Insect Tornado
Spindle Formation

Akimichi clan
Butterfly Bullet Bombing
Calorie Control
Double Human Bullet Tank
Human Bullet Tank
Multi-Size Technique
Partial Multi-Size Technique
Spiked Human Bullet Tank
Super Multi-Size Technique
Super Open Hand Slap

Nara clan
Black Spider Lily
Shadow Gathering Technique
Shadow Imitation Shuriken Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Shadow Sewing Technique
Shadow–Neck Binding Technique

Yamanaka Clan
Mind Body Disturbance Technique
Mind Body Switch Technique
Mind Clone Switch Technique
Mind Disturbance Dance Performance Technique (Anime only)
Mind Puppet Switch Cursed Seal Technique
Yamanaka Clan Telepathy

Uchiha Clan
Fire Release: Dragon Flame Release Song Technique
Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Flower Nail Crimson
Manipulating Windmill Triple Blades
Uchiha Flame Battle Encampment

Other Hidden Leaf Tech
Water Clone Technique
Water Release: Water Colliding Wave (Anime only)
Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique
Water Release: Water Encampment Wall
Water Release: Water Trumpet
Chidori
Demonic Illusion: Hell Viewing Technique
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique
Earth Release: Multiple Earth-Style Wall (Anime only)
Eight Gates
Evil Sealing Method
Eye Mind Reading
Front Lotus
Lightning Beast Running Technique
Lightning Cutter
Lightning Release Shadow Clone
Lightning Transmission (Manga only)
Lion Combo
Multiple Shadow Clone Technique
One Thousand Years of Death
Rasengan
Shadow Clone Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Eight Trigrams Mountain Crusher
Eight Trigrams One Hundred Twenty-Eight Palms
Eight Trigrams Palms Revolving Heaven
Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms
Eight Trigrams Thirty-Two Palms
Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm
Eight Trigrams Vacuum Wall Palm
Hyūga Main Family's Juinjutsu
Palm Bottom
Protection of the Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms
Water Needle
Shadow of the Dancing Leaf
Silent Killing
Summoning: Earth Release: Tracking Fang Technique
Wind Release: Great Breakthrough

+ Neutalizer technique, Ghost Transformation, Bringer of Darkness and all 8 Gates at will.

 

[Vapid]

And that's only 2% of his power. O_O

 

[TRE MERCER]

Why are people actually taking this guy serious?

 

[Cresee]

Base Naruto speed > Any Hiruzen

P.S. I already established how his base shunshin is on par with KCM Minato's FTG

Sorry bro, Minato speed > Any type of Fodderuzen or Hiruzen

 

[KisuneUchiha]

No....Lord Sasuke is the fastest

I agree with you 100%

 

[KCMNaruto]

Sorry but you failed OP... here is why:

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^^ Both Naruto and Minato within Kurama avatars were busty with charging up TBB. Also Obito was closest to them when he unleashed God Tree

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^^ The God Tree prevented both Minato and Naruto from escaping grabing them while they were busy with charging up TBB

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^^ Here Killer bee questions why so many branches are going after him in compare to others

Hachibi replied "because you have much more chakra then OTHERS"...it should clear any doubt

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^^ Kishi gave Hiruzen epic entrance no doubt. However we don't know how close Hiruzen was to God Tree. Also the Next page Hiruzen escaping with Naruto grabbed to Minato and Tobirama who WERE VERY CLOSE TO HIM. However the most interesting fact is that THERE IS NO SINGLE PANEL SHOWING Hiruzen being attacked by God Tree.

In other words: God Tree treated Hiruzen as no threat and didn't attack him due to much smaller chakra in compare to Naruto, Kilelr bee, Minato and cloaked fodders shinobi.

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[UnknownJin]

that wasnt speed, Hiruzen was destroyed by black orbs and got summoned back ... so he just showed up and destroyed a branch

 

[Mad Daz]

Man OP you were doing good till you started getting gangbanged on 3 sides at once