Base Naruto is kage level

[Bogard]

I think even base Naruto is kage level. I think it cuz of what he did:

- He destroyed Kakuzu(a kage level ninja who fought even Hashirama) with an incomplete Rasenshuriken
- He has beaten Deva(a kage level who destroyed konoha, fought even Kyubi at 8tails)
- He pushed even Madara himself into a corner where he was forced to counter his Odama rasengan with a Susanoo
- He was still fighting Tobi and his Gedo Mazo in base form for a while. That shows again he is not that bad

So i think he can be considered as a kage level even in base form. I believe he can beat Mei at least

 

[Naruto9001]

That's what i said in another Naruto is a beast even without kyubi!

 

[sindi1997]

he has sage mode of course he is awesome. even without the kuybi he is strong too

 

[Exaar]

I think even base Naruto is kage level. I think it cuz of what he did:

- He destroyed Kakuzu(a kage level ninja who fought even Hashirama) with an incomplete Rasenshuriken
- He has beaten Deva(a kage level who destroyed konoha, fought even Kyubi at 8tails)
- He pushed even Madara himself into a corner where he was forced to counter his Odama rasengan with a Susanoo
- He was still fighting Tobi and his Gedo Mazo in base form for a while. That shows again he is not that bad

So i think he can be considered as a kage level even in base form. I believe he can beat Mei at least

-He beat kakuzu thanks to Kakashi and Yama saving him.

-He Mostly fought Deva in SM, Plot no Jutsu allowed him to win.

-"He pushed Madara into a corner" thanks to Gaara's help, Also he needed help from the kyuubi to counter his wood.

- He was fighting tobi with Gai/Kakashi and bee backing him up.

All kages would wreck wreck base naruto.

 

[-Vegeta-]

I think even base Naruto is kage level. I think it cuz of what he did:

- He destroyed Kakuzu(a kage level ninja who fought even Hashirama) with an incomplete Rasenshuriken

Ummm what? That wasn't an incomplete rasenshuriken. It functioned exactly the same as his current rasenshuriken except he can now throw and expand it, but the damage is essentially still the same.

- He has beaten Deva(a kage level who destroyed konoha, fought even Kyubi at 8tails)

This is somewhat of a flawed statement since Deva path was incredibly weakened after using chibaku tensei and trying to deal with the kyuubi.

He also couldn't use the full extent of his powers anymore such as a full force shinra tensei and chibaku tensei, which are his biggest strengths. Besides deva path alone had SM Naruto who's clearly above base Naruto beat but the kyuubi had helped him, so it's kind of foolish to say base Naruto beat deva path straight up. It was more like PIS.

- He pushed even Madara himself into a corner where he was forced to counter his Odama rasengan with a Susanoo

More like Oonoki and Naruto accomplished that. Besides he only needed the rib cage version, which Sasuke and Itachi both use for little things when fighting. It seems Uchihas favor susanoo over simply dodging.

- He was still fighting Tobi and his Gedo Mazo in base form for a while. That shows again he is not that bad

He was getting wrecked while in base though and he had Bee, Kakashi and Guy alongside him. Not exactly a great indicator of Naruto's strength in base.

So i think he can be considered as a kage level even in base form. I believe he can beat Mei at least

I don't think so. IMO he's high jounin level.

 

[shloabsky]

I would say at BASE he is inbetween JOUNIN AND KAGE but with sage mode and bijuu mode that changes

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Well naruto's dad was kage level so if his mum and dad didn't die he probably eventually would of got to kage level anyway.

 

[Ohhdang]

Ummm what? That wasn't an incomplete rasenshuriken. It functioned exactly the same as his current rasenshuriken except he can now throw and expand it, but the damage is essentially still the same.

Actually no, Naruto's Rasenshuriken was incomplete, Yamato confirmed it ("No, he's about halfway there") when he arrived on the scene while Kakashi was fighting Kakuzu. Not only that, Naruto wasn't even fully recovered which made it even worse.

 

[Dantee]

I don't think so more like med-high jounin in power only.

 

[Inori]

I don't think at base he's kage level. And I hate how people undersetimate Mei :Y

 

[Icelerate]

There are plenty of jounin that defeat base Naruto. I say base Naruto is high jounin level power wise.

He will probably lose to Yamato, Kakashi, Gai, base Sasuke, base Itachi, Temari and Darui.

 

[Prince Charles]

not really i would say med jounin.

 

[Midday]

I would say he's around high jounin level. Without sm or kyuubi chakra he can make up to 1000 clones which could challenge The current set of kages. He confirmed it himself when he spoke wIth itachi a few 100 chapters ago about the clones.

 

[Icelerate]

I would say he's around high jounin level. Without sm or kyuubi chakra he can make up to 1000 clones which could challenge The current set of kages. He confirmed it himself when he spoke wIth itachi a few 100 chapters ago about the clones.

Those clones are easily defeated by any decent ninja. Genin Sasuke, genin Neji and sick Kimmimaro destroyed them easily. I don't see how any of the kages will have a problem fighting them with the exception of Mei. Even than I believe Mei would just use suiton to destroy them.

 

[Midday]

Those clones are easily defeated by any decent ninja. Genin Sasuke, genin Neji and sick Kimmimaro destroyed them easily. I don't see how any of the kages will have a problem fighting them with the exception of Mei. Even than I believe Mei would just use suiton to destroy them.

That was during part 1, his clones were easily defeated before because he was weak. Now he's stronger so are his clones, like how he easily stopped killer Bee's students. The clones can do something similar to this also if he can beat Mei wouldn't that make him low kage?

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[Icelerate]

@Rul

Well his clones would still disappear if they are tapped with a small attack. Naruto's stamina makes him a dangerous opponent and he can also prepare a rasenshuriken. Maybe I am underestimating Naruto especially because he can summon frogs and even Kakashi admitted inferiority.

I think Mei would beat Naruto by overwhelming his clones with suiton attacks. Naruto would put up a good fight though. I believe Naruto is stronger than part 1 Kakashi and is almost low kage level but in my book he is still an elite jounin.

That attack of Naruto's was because of the Kyubbi pouring some of his chakra to Naruto.

 

[Bogard]

Ummm what? That wasn't an incomplete rasenshuriken. It functioned exactly the same as his current rasenshuriken except he can now throw and expand it, but the damage is essentially still the same.

It was incomplete. Yamato said it had only half of the power at that time and he has beaten Kakuzu with it, a kage level ninja

This is somewhat of a flawed statement since Deva path was incredibly weakened after using chibaku tensei and trying to deal with the kyuubi.

He also couldn't use the full extent of his powers anymore such as a full force shinra tensei and chibaku tensei, which are his biggest strengths. Besides deva path alone had SM Naruto who's clearly above base Naruto beat but the kyuubi had helped him, so it's kind of foolish to say base Naruto beat deva path straight up. It was more like PIS.

I think you doesn't understand. Yes, Deva was weakened but his Shinra tensei was still powerful. It's only that he withstood by puting a barrier with clones. So base form against Deva was even better than SM to beat Deva. In SM he couldn't have do such a strategy since at that time he couldn't make a lot of clones

More like Oonoki and Naruto accomplished that. Besides he only needed the rib cage version, which Sasuke and Itachi both use for little things when fighting. It seems Uchihas favor susanoo over simply dodging.

Still, he was fast enough to surprise Madara that he didn't even had time to evade the attack. That shows how fast he was to come out with a Odama rasengan. He was clearly dangerous for Madara. He was the one who even stopped Madara's Mokuton(only one who could at that time) and Madara even said "hmm, he's strong" and he was in base

I think you underestimate his combinations when he is in base. Sure alone he is not that powerful, but when he makes his clones, he can use feints who could work even against Kage level ninjas(Kakuzu for example) and hurt you with a destructiv attack(rasengan or rasenshuriken). That means death. So i think he can beat Kages, most likely Mei

I don't think at base he's kage level. And I hate how people undersetimate Mei :Y

Sorry but if you don't like it, then try to prove me she is stronger :|

 

[Tosen]

Low Jounin with few very high level attacks and lots of stamina.

 

[-Vegeta-]

It was incomplete. Yamato said it had only half of the power at that time and he has beaten Kakuzu with it, a kage level ninja

I completely forgot about that statement.

I think you doesn't understand. Yes, Deva was weakened but his Shinra tensei was still powerful. It's only that he withstood by puting a barrier with clones. So base form against Deva was even better than SM to beat Deva. In SM he couldn't have do such a strategy since at that time he couldn't make a lot of clones

Naruto's base isn't better equiped to fight Deva since he lacks the speed and power in base unlike in SM. And as I said deva's main power relies in chibaku tensei and his full power shinra tensei, which he couldn't use at that time. It's not a great indicator of base Naruto's strength.

Still, he was fast enough to surprise Madara that he didn't even had time to evade the attack. That shows how fast he was to come out with a Odama rasengan. He was clearly dangerous for Madara. He was the one who even stopped Madara's Mokuton(only one who could at that time) and Madara even said "hmm, he's strong" and he was in base

That attack says nothing about Naruto's speed. All he did was come from above him and Madara easily reacted fast enough to put up susanoo. Besides Oonoki distracted Madara by raising the ground beneath him and thus gave Naruto the time to get above him and try and hit him with rasengan.

As for him busting Madara mokuton Naruto needed the kyuubi's chakra to accomplish that feat, so honestly it doesn't say much about his base. We've no idea if he could prouce that many rasengans with just his own chakra.

I think you underestimate his combinations when he is in base. Sure alone he is not that powerful, but when he makes his clones, he can use feints who could work even against Kage level ninjas(Kakuzu for example) and hurt you with a destructiv attack(rasengan or rasenshuriken). That means death. So i think he can beat Kages, most likely Mei

I'm not underestimating anyone. Base Naruto seems more around jounin level IMO. I don't see him beating Mei in base.

 

[SasukeUchiha910]

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