[VS] Base Minato vs Tsunade&Sakura

[Haizaki]

Don't know for sure what happened or what the situation was with Minato and B but I always considered this as well.

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Not saying I'm 100% right but why emphasize on his movements in that scenario if you know what your aim was? I'm pretty sure if he knew B couldn't have reacted, he won't have resorted to saying that or rather if he knew he held back and could have finished B without him reacting.

 

[KingHashirama]

A. Tsunade handling an unskilled, 12 year old fodder Naruto isn't impressive at all. If that's part of your evidence on Tsunade's striking speed, I'd suggest you give up this charade right now.

B. And since when was Shizune an expert in speed? Since when did she have reflexes on the level of Obito and Ay?

C. Oh, a sick Orochimaru who was only standing a couple of ft away. Nice.

D. Minato showed similar handseal speed [

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Quite frankly, you're just plain wrong on this one.

Minato blitzed Ay here [

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And Obito here [

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Yet we're somehow supposed to believe Tsunade's fodder feats are to proportionate to that of Minato's? Who blitzed two of the fastest in the manga? It's quite funny. Even if I were to give you the benefit of the doubt, and say he striking speed was superior to Minato's, how does she even hit him? When he dodged attacks like Kamui from point blank range WITH NO INTEL and Ay's lightning straight from no more than 20 meters with no direct gauge of how fast Ay actually is.

Again, all these Tsunade supporters are backed into a corner. All you can do is say how Minato is overrated or cannot win, but you cannot actually say how they beat him.

1. "handling".. never mentioned handling.. or that she would man handle Minato.. The point was on speed.. and i proved it , so pointless counter there.

2. Since when is shizune an expert in speed? since the moment she was skilled in poison, and taught by Tsunade someone who specializes in evasiveness, and then furthermore the mere fact shes a jounin. Shizune has less reflexes than a 14 year old obito? << This is literally impossible in this manga, unless Obito was Naruto or Sasuke.

3. His health didn't stop him from coming there.. fighting against jiraiya.. and so on.. but his health became an issue here? oh really? What he didn't notice Tsunade get up?

4. Yea thats very nice.. but i never Said Minato sucked in striking speed.. Just said Tsunade is faster.

5. He blitzed him yes, However, when Ay got the reading on all of Minato's Kunai , he would've been dead meat, were it not for going behind Killer B. So saying Ay can't react to FTG, is a joke.

6. And when did i say his shunshin is inferior to Tsunade? Tobirama is superior in footspeed compared to Hashirama.. but Hashirama was always the stronger one even in Base form.. why? Because ninja can react.


Again, this isn't a Tsunade vs Minato, this is Sakura vs Tsunade.. I simply brought up couple of points, because some of you Minato fans wanted to say he insta kills them.. sorry he doesn't.

 

[Gold Lightning]

You're crying too much bro. Did I offend you or something?

Anyway, I'll let Blaze Release (if he did or logged on) replies to the pile of shit you wrote, but I will address few stuff. Since it was a war era, Minato had no reasons to hold back, just like how he didn't when slaughtering +50 Shinobi. Given the fact he didn't hesitate to kill Ay in this

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, it shows he had intent to kill them. He already knew from that moment Ay and Bee were brothers. Bee reminded Minato of Kushina? It's nice to know Kushina can control portion of Kurama's power and she is a danger to Minato and the village, like Bee is. No, child, he simply acknowledged Bee's potential. Doesn't mean he was holding back. If he actually wanted to retreat or didn't want to kill Ay or Bee, he would have no reason to teleport right to where he marked Bee minutes ago, as well as prepare an attack in conjunction. He had all the marks around the battlefield, but he teleported to where Bee was. He didn't see Bee as a danger, especially he could control Hachibi's power.

Bee reacted and bested Minato's full speed. Plain and simple. Get that through your fanboy head.

You hit your head when you were a kid? Is that why it's hard to understand the message? I used Juubi Jinchuuriki as an example of being marked, doesn't result to KO. The body is marked, but the teleporter can teleport around the radius of the mark. [

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Just like this:

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Or this:

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He teleports to the marking, but after teleporting, the speed is dependent on how fast he can strike. But since he has poor striking-speed, Bee/Juubito/Madara can all react to him.

so much crying, why u so russled?

I've explained over an over, all the evidence any person with basic reading comprehension can understand. Your bs post isn't worth a decent reply. You've literally countered nothing i've posted. You have to wait for someone else to log in and reply for you because you know your own posts are full of crap Lol.

Go get some cream for that sore butthurt of yours.

 

[KingHashirama]

Yea bro Minato was on the battlefield to hand out cookies.

 

[Bronze]

Oh yeah, he even calls him ''an enemy'' and praises his movements of a true killer. Now why would he hold back if he seen the potential within Bee? Right, he didn't.

 

[Conspirator.]

Minato rapes, negs, molest, spanks, crucifies, destroys, gang bangs-you name it. How the hell is this debatable?

 

[Bronze]

so much crying, why u so russled?

I've explained over an over, all the evidence any person with basic reading comprehension can understand. Your bs post isn't worth a decent reply. You've literally countered nothing i've posted. You have to wait for someone else to log in and reply for you because you know your own posts are full of crap Lol.

Go get some cream for that sore butthurt of yours.

Concession accepted.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Don't know for sure what happened or what the situation was with Minato and B but I always considered this as well.

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Not saying I'm 100% right but why emphasize on his movements in that scenario if you know what your aim was? I'm pretty sure if he knew B couldn't have reacted, he won't have resorted to saying that or rather if he knew he held back and could have finished B without him reacting.

The issue isn't to do with B's movement or reaction. Yes bee is good and moves well.

The whole point is a marked enemy can be instantly struck, UNLESS the user pauses/waits/has no intent/speaks etc. There's literally multiple scenarios that show it in the manga. You can teleport a blade directly into a marked opponent, and I haven't seen a single argument that says otherwise.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Concession accepted.

its not a concession, i just don't see the need argue pointless arguments with idiots. You're never going to open your eyes. And your rubbish explanations aren't going to prove anything to me. So I'm not going to waste my time with you or kingdumbass over there.

 

[KingHashirama]

The issue isn't to do with B's movement or reaction. Yes bee is good and moves well.

The whole point is a marked enemy can be instantly struck, UNLESS the user pauses/waits/has no intent/speaks etc. There's literally multiple scenarios that show it in the manga. You can teleport a blade directly into a marked opponent, and I haven't seen a single argument that says otherwise.

@Bold, and this is why the argument for Minato here is a joke. Just pointless wanking.

 

[Bronze]

its not a concession, i just don't see the need argue pointless arguments with idiots. You're never going to open your eyes. And your rubbish explanations aren't going to prove anything to me. So I'm not going to waste my time with you or kingdumbass over there.

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[Gold Lightning]

^^^

<<< Tsunade's striking speed has shown to be far superior to any striking speed Minato has shown..

Look whose talking. Post this around the internet and see how many people laugh at you

 

[KingHashirama]

^^^


Look whose talking. Post this around the internet and see how many people laugh at you

awwww you like being judged by others.. thats cute. The thing is I could careless of how many people wank Minato. In the end its still wanking.

Difference between you and me is.. I showed the thing where i got my stuff from, you make excuse and make up bs.

 

[Gold Lightning]

awwww you like being judged by others.. thats cute. The thing is I could careless of how many people wank Minato. In the end its still wanking.

Difference between you and me is.. I showed the thing where i got my stuff from, you make excuse and make up bs.

You were comparing tsunades speed to minato by using part 1 naruto and shizune as your examples XD. Is there no end to your stupidity.

I gave an entire post of explanations and evidence far better than yours. Don't make up things, I hate when people do that. Everything i posted includes a scan, so don't spout your rubbish.

 

[HiddenSound]

A Minato fanboy, a Madara fanboy, and a Hashirama fanboy. Very, uh, colorful.

 

[KingHashirama]

You were comparing tsunades speed to minato by using part 1 naruto and shizune as your examples XD. Is there no end to your stupidity.

I gave an entire post of explanations and evidence far better than yours. Don't make up things, I hate when people do that. Everything i posted includes a scan, so don't spout your rubbish.

It doesn't matter if bruce lee punches at full speed adult or a little kid... the thing we are going to look at is his speed.. his speed will not be affected by if hes punching a kid or an adult. No clue where you got that the speed of the strike changes..against different opponents..

You don't know much about fights do you??


What you gave was bs crap manipulated from the scans..you even went so far to say even Juubi's jinchuriki can't react to Minato's FTg.. wtf.

A Minato fanboy, a Madara fanboy, and a Hashirama fanboy. Very, uh, colorful.

And the oro fanboy , just trying to cool on the sidelines =D.

 

[KCN]

1. "handling".. never mentioned handling.. or that she would man handle Minato.. The point was on speed.. and i proved it , so pointless counter there.

2. Since when is shizune an expert in speed? since the moment she was skilled in poison, and taught by Tsunade someone who specializes in evasiveness, and then furthermore the mere fact shes a jounin. Shizune has less reflexes than a 14 year old obito? << This is literally impossible in this manga, unless Obito was Naruto or Sasuke.

3. His health didn't stop him from coming there.. fighting against jiraiya.. and so on.. but his health became an issue here? oh really? What he didn't notice Tsunade get up?

4. Yea thats very nice.. but i never Said Minato sucked in striking speed.. Just said Tsunade is faster.

5. He blitzed him yes, However, when Ay got the reading on all of Minato's Kunai , he would've been dead meat, were it not for going behind Killer B. So saying Ay can't react to FTG, is a joke.

6. And when did i say his shunshin is inferior to Tsunade? Tobirama is superior in footspeed compared to Hashirama.. but Hashirama was always the stronger one even in Base form.. why? Because ninja can react.


Again, this isn't a Tsunade vs Minato, this is Sakura vs Tsunade.. I simply brought up couple of points, because some of you Minato fans wanted to say he insta kills them.. sorry he doesn't.

1. You know what I meant. You providing a scan of Tsunade hoodwinking an inexperienced, unskilled 12 year old Naruto holds no fruits. That was irrelevant on your part, not mine. Remember you're trying to convince us Tsunade has better striking speed than Minato. Yeah, that scan won't cut it.

2. I'm sorry, I forgot the part where being skilled in poison meant you had speed/striking speed? Lol, what are you even saying? Taught by Tsunade who was a specialist in evasiveness, but has absolutely zero feats to back it up. When comparing her to Minato, you're gonna need them.

3. He was forced into a fight. There's a reason why Kabuto fought Tsunade while Orochimaru watched before Jiraiya's squad showed up.

4. Your proof is lacklusted and unconvincing.

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- Hmm, dead meat you say? Really? So now you're just gonna gonna say Ay > Minato despite Ay admitting inferiority [

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]. Not only that, but Ay and Minato clashed many times after, so why didn't he kill him as easy as you make it seem? And finally, it's slim to none that Ay would hit Minato. After Minato gauged Ay's speed with his first attempt, Minato dodged the second time round as cool as you like [

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]. On one hand, you claim all you do is follow the manga, and now right here you're just disregarding it.

No, it's because Hashirama has a KKG which allows him to attack on a Village and City level having devastating attacks which would outrange anything in Tobirama's arsenal. So if Tsunade can't attack Minato, what's exactly your purpose?

Sakura is just Tsunade 2.0. Anything said to Tsunade applies to Sakura as well. None of them can hit him. None of them can react to him. Their summons are irrelevant. They get picked off with the utmost ease.

 

[KingHashirama]

1. You know what I meant. You providing a scan of Tsunade hoodwinking an inexperienced, unskilled 12 year old Naruto holds no fruits. That was irrelevant on your part, not mine. Remember you're trying to convince us Tsunade has better striking speed than Minato. Yeah, that scan won't cut it.

2. I'm sorry, I forgot the part where being skilled in poison meant you had speed/striking speed? Lol, what are you even saying? Taught by Tsunade who was a specialist in evasiveness, but has absolutely zero feats to back it up. When comparing her to Minato, you're gonna need them.

3. He was forced into a fight. There's a reason why Kabuto fought Tsunade while Orochimaru watched before Jiraiya's squad showed up.

4. Your proof is lacklusted and unconvincing.

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- Hmm, dead meat you say? Really? So now you're just gonna gonna say Ay > Minato despite Ay admitting inferiority [

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]. Not only that, but Ay and Minato clashed many times after, so why didn't he kill him as easy as you make it seem? And finally, it's slim to none that Ay would hit Minato. After Minato gauged Ay's speed with his first attempt, Minato dodged the second time round as cool as you like [

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]. On one hand, you claim all you do is follow the manga, and now right here you're just disregarding it.

No, it's because Hashirama has a KKG which allows him to attack on a Village and City level having devastating attacks which would outrange anything in Tobirama's arsenal. So if Tsunade can't attack Minato, what's exactly your purpose?

Sakura is just Tsunade 2.0. Anything said to Tsunade applies to Sakura as well. None of them can hit him. None of them can react to him. Their summons are irrelevant. They get picked off with the utmost ease.

1. Naruto being inexperienced has nothing to do with how fast Tsunade is.. Furthermore.. he had already fought Haku.

2. oh because not like you might end up being caught in your own poison, if you aren't fast enough to get away right? Though no one compared her evasivness to Minato...

3. He wasn't forced to Tsunade..Naruto or attack Naruto. He chose to attack him.

4. showed feats faster than Minato's.. don't need to convince you, only need to present actual feats.

Do let me know where I said A> Minato.. I said Minato would've been dead if he had teleported in any of the kunais on the field. But he didn't.. But guess what? Minato did teleport behind B's back.. and hence A couldn't kill him. The point was that Ay can react to Minato appearing after using FTG.


Tobirama can simply dodge them with his god like speed, so can minato.. and then just blitz Hashirama's head with their god like speeds, no? Sakura and Tsunade can easily catch Minato in a trap... this isn't a Minato vs Tsunade..

Then Minato is a Tobirama 2.0? (well in this case the 2.0 doesn't mean an upgraded version). Both can react to Minato's striking speed, FTG can't be reacted to.. just a fact. But neither is FTG an attack, its a technique used to make an attack. FTG itself is not an attack.

 

[Icelerate]

Minato rapes, negs, molest, spanks, crucifies, destroys, gang bangs-you name it. How the hell is this debatable?

You make Minato fans look bad by giving Minato an evil name. Although like Blaze Release and I explained, it isn't that big of a stomp due to Minato's lacklustre range, firepower and the restrictions stipulated in the OP.

You are wrong Blaze. Nobody can react at teleportation, it's a transferring from A to B.
To a marked target, Minato can do this as well: [

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]; appearing and slicing happens in the same moment. As well if the Kunai is in the opponents immediate range, what allows Minato to teleport right into the opponent [

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]. You saw no interval between appearing before the target and striking, he teleported right into him. There is no speed above teleportation. Tsunade and Sakura have no chance, when he blitzed the likes of Ay. Katsuyu is a non factor. Minato has a couple of boss summons which can also use Jutsu. Minato can also reverse summon Katsuyu. Acid can be sent back by a barrier, for example sent back to Tsunade and Sakura, with all these Kunai placed. Or he teleports Katsuyu away and immediately starts to attack them. How do you think it looks when Minato and a couple of clones will perform the Hiraishin no Jutsu, so multiple opponents using Hiraishin. As the clones are made of the users Chakra, they are all connected means they can teleport to each other. Minato's clone will just come into close combat with Tsunade and Sakura, as latter two are only limited to close combat, forcing either of them finish him off with a punch. The moment Tsunade's fist is right before the clone like

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, the real Minato teleports with his Rasengan ahead into Tsunade due to the Chakra connection with his clone, while at the same time marking her. This bitch's done from there on.

Mid diff would mean that Minato will have some trouble, which isn't the case. It's a low diff obviously.

No one can react to instantaneous teleportation but Minato can't kill them with just teleportation, he still has to strike them which is far from instantaneous proven by the fact that Bee was able to make an octopus tentacle

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and have it fling Ay away all

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. Ordinary kunai strikes are useless due to Byakogou. Only powerful strikes to the neck are going to be of use but doing so in a hurried fashion before he gets countered will take some time to pull off especially when the two can place their arms in front of their necks. Minato didn't blitz Ay, he appeared behind Ay while

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. Neither Tsunade nor Sakura will be charging towards Minato, they'll most likely be playing on the defensive with each other to guard their backs for additional precaution. It is easy to get blindsided when you yourself are charging at an opponent proven when Kakuzu blind sided Kakashi (

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despite Shikamaru being much slower than Kakashi.

The bold where you state the two are only limited to close combat is also flatout wrong (

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). As a matter of fact, this is much greater range than Minato and your precious 3 tomoe Itachi are capable of. Can't believe you're slipping Strict.

OT: Minato wins mid difficulty regardless though Minato fans these days bring up such bad arguments that one may even out debate them with fodder shinobi.

 

[Conspirator.]

You make Minato fans look bad by giving Minato an evil name. Although like Blaze Release and I explained, it isn't that big of a stomp due to Minato's lacklustre range, firepower and the restrictions stipulated in the OP.

What? How am I giving Minato fans a bad name, when they're already doing a fantastic job at that themselves. It's not like they need my help......