Base Minato vs SM Hashirama

[Passerby]

Restrictions - Toads
Intel - Manga
Location - V.O.T.E

Hashirama starts in SM.Yeah i know this is a ****ing stomp for Hashirama but im giving Minato a small advantage and that is, Hashirama is already marked with FTG and every clone he makes is already marked as well.

Does Hashirama get blitzed or can he counter with SM?

 

[KidGamer65]

Minato kills him.

 

[Apêx1]

"Small advantage"

 

[LuckyMan]

If you're asking who wins Hashirama wins, does he get blitzed; yes he does but with SM durability and his healing he'll survive and win eventually probably attrition.

 

[Ken Masters]

that small advantage my friend is a GAME OVER for hashirama

 

[Beans2]

Given the fact that Madara already reacted to a FTG blitz with Hashirama's Sage Mode, I'm giving this to Hashirama. When Minato teleports to him to attack, Hashirama won't be able to completely react therefore Minato will tag him with a kunai or Rasengan. However, Hashirama's healing powers (which surpass Byakogou Tsunade's) allow him to survive Minato's attack, while his sensory abilities could let him hit Minato at the exact same moment therefore the battle ends in a mutual strike. Hashirama will heal from Minato's strike, but Minato can't tank Hashirama's.

This is assuming Minato doesn't go for decapitation from second 1. Because, Hashirama can wrap a coil of wood around his neck in 1 second and that ends the decapitation argument. Then there's the fact that he can sprout Mokuton spikes all over his body (think of Kimimaro with bones) so that no matter what Minato gets impaled when he tries to attack.

 

[NarutoX28]

Madara canonically reacted to and trashed Tobirama during his surprise attack with Hashirama's Sage Sensing.

Base Minato is inferior reflexively, so he gets trashed much easier against SM Hashirama. After the first surprise attack, there's literally nothing Minato can do because Hashirama will absolutely suspect it and trash him considering Hiraishin relies on the element of surprise. Without it, even less reflexive beings like Young Bee can react to him.

 

[Silent Hero]

Yeah Minato still loses I have no idea why anyone think Minato having him marked makes this any less of a stomp when he's in SM.

With Hashirama's SM, Madara has already canonically countered FTG (albeit from a less experienced user who doesn't have reflexive feats on Minato's level). He isn't being blitzed or anything of the like. He might get tagged but he isn't being blitzed by any stretch of the imagination. He's also backed up by a Tsunade+ level healing factor and monster durability. What is Minato going to do? Rasengan him lmao? Minato gets to close and then gets pasted by a CE SM punch.

 

[KidGamer65]

You guys shouldn't be using the feats of a Madara with Hagoromos power. He'd obviously be faster than Hashirama. Thus there is little reason to believe he reacts fast enough to counter.

Then there's the fact that Tobirama teleported and then lunged at Madara. Marked Hashi means that Minato teleports right to him.

And no beans. Hashiramas healing is inferior to Tsunades. One can restore limbs, the other can't.

 

[LuckyMan]

^^^ I think he meant superior in the sense that Hashirama can activate it without forming seals, since that is what the Manga said. I don't recall anything about it being mechanically better than hers besides that.

 

[KidGamer65]

Madara needed a zetsu arm to replace his missing one. Tsunade said she can regen missing limbs. Not sure if that statement still holds though.

 

[Apêx1]

I agree with KG, as long as Madara did those feats with a Rinnegan (Rikudo's chakra) then they can't be attributed to Hashirama.

 

[Kushina san]

Mmh, Madara said that the power of Tsunade is the same of Hashirama in the viz translating, i guess..

And databook says that there is no ninja existing who surpasses his power (of healing) :hmm:

 

[KidGamer65]

Mmh, Madara said that the power of Tsunade is the same of Hashirama in the viz translating, i guess..

And databook says that there is no ninja existing who surpasses his power (of healing) :hmm:

Oh, if it really says this then I'd have to agree that his healing>=Byakugo.

 

[BLAZE]

Minato wins this

Mmh, Madara said that the power of Tsunade is the same of Hashirama in the viz translating, i guess..

And databook says that there is no ninja existing who surpasses his power (of healing) :hmm:

Do u have the scan or translation :hmm:

 

[Kushina san]

Minato wins this
Do u have the scan or translation :hmm:

Healing Ability
さらに驚嘆すべきはその回復力。
Further worthy of admiration is his recovery ability.
高度な医療忍術を操り、印を結ぶことすらなく傷を治せるのだ。
Commanding high-level ninja healing arts, he can heal wounds even without making hand gestures.
肉体そのものも生命力にあふれ、柱間の細胞を持つ者の治癒力を高める効果も。
His body itself brimming with vitality, those with Hashirama's cells have heightened healing ability.
その力を超える忍は、以後現在まで存在しない。
To this day, there is no ninja existing who surpasses his power.

It actually says その力 sono chikara, meaning this power, so it's directly talking about his healing prowess.

 

[Apêx1]

Can confirm that this is agreed on by many translators.^

 

[LuckyMan]

Can confirm that this is agreed on by many translators.^

That doesn't mean he can heal his limbs. Hashirama didn't need to store up chakra in his forehead or release some S rank jutsu to get auto healing and that can be seen as being unsurpassed because if his healing limit is apparently unsurpassed and Tsuande can heal limbs back, bones and all, then what are his limits? Restoring a new heart if it gets ripped out his body? Perhaps restoring a severed head? Definitely not buying his healing being better than Tsunades, especially considering the fact he gloated over having Hashirama regenerative abilities and his Ridoku chakra should have put the healing on steroids, yet he still couldn't regenerate the

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[TheSages456]

Madara already avoided a hiraishin blitz then took down a more reflexive tobirama. Hashirama is madaras physical equal.
Realistically, hashirama flattens him.

Being tagged may be a different story though.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Minato can definitely blitz Hashirama but I'm not sure if he can kill him in one hit.
Madara's feat of reacting to Tobirama's Hiraishin Giri holds no value here, because:
1)SM Madara > SM Hashirama (due to Rikudo Chakra)
2)Madara wasn't marked while Hashirama is in this scenario (the fact that Tobirama had to teleport and then lunge at Madara gave him enough time to react but here Hashirama is marked so Minato just teleports right to him thus giving him no time to react)