Base Hashirama vs BM Naruto and BM Minato

[Gold Lightning]

Base hashirama already showed his golem gan catch bijuu damas from the full kiuuby. So with TBB he doesn't get "shat on"

50% Bijuu mode Kurama avatar still more powerful than 100% kurama

 

[ARGUS]

Base hashirama already showed his golem gan catch bijuu damas from the full kiuuby. So with TBB he doesn't get "shat on"

Uhh yes he does,

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, with minato here as well it will be so large to an extent that hashiramas mokujin would be an insect in comparison to it, and his mokutons would be drilled throuh, killing him the instant the bomb detonates

then thers the fact that

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, forming a crater

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, to an extent where the juubi was barely visible
Kyuubi > Hachibi in every way shape or form,
so when Minato and Naruto form their flash TBB, hashirama is as good as dead

50% Bijuu mode Kurama avatar still more powerful than 100% kurama

Uhh what makes you say that?
50% kurama avatar is the 50% kyuubi, pretty much no diffference apart from the fact that ones chakra and the others kurama itself
100% kyuubi is definitely stronger, has superior firepower and chakra, and should logically have superior durability,

 

[Gold Lightning]

Uhh yes he does,

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, with minato here as well it will be so large to an extent that hashiramas mokujin would be an insect in comparison to it, and his mokutons would be drilled throuh, killing him the instant the bomb detonates

then thers the fact that

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, forming a crater

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, to an extent where the juubi was barely visible
Kyuubi > Hachibi in every way shape or form,
so when Minato and Naruto form their flash TBB, hashirama is as good as dead


Uhh what makes you say that?
50% kurama avatar is the 50% kyuubi, pretty much no diffference apart from the fact that ones chakra and the others kurama itself
100% kyuubi is definitely stronger, has superior firepower and chakra, and should logically have superior durability,

Because a Jinchuuriki stronger than a tailed beast as said more than once in the manga. Deidara mentioned how a Bijuu just throws it's power without any real control, while a Jinchuuriki properly focuses and harnesses that power. Hence why Tobi and deidara said capturing the three tails was easy. Same with the Juubi, Killer bee noted how much stringer Juubito was compared to the juubi, which Gyuki explained it was due to becoming a Jinchuuriki.

BM Naruto matched 5 bijuu's power combined on his own. Sent them all flying with just a roar of his as well. Not to mention the kurama avatar can use chakra arms and extent its tails and such. Something regular kurama can't. BM Naruto tanked the Juubi laser just by shielding with its tails, no different to BM bee. Not to mention BM Narutos speed, something full kurama has never displayed, was able to blitz and deflect 5 Bijuu bombs.

100% kurama is definitely not stronger. Not sure where you got superior firepower, chakra and durability. Do you have actual facts to back any of those claims. What has 100% kurama done that surpasses BM kurama? Not to mention that it's a combination of the bijuu's power and its hosts power. BM Minato/Naruto has all the nine tails power in addition to space time ninjutsu, senjutsu, massive Rasengans and rasenshurikens etc. BM is obviously more powerful and versatile.

 

[EZQ]

Ok i got beaten from my first post lol. Hashirama does raped with BD

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Because a Jinchuuriki stronger than a tailed beast as said more than once in the manga. Deidara mentioned how a Bijuu just throws it's power without any real control, while a Jinchuuriki properly focuses and harnesses that power. Hence why Tobi and deidara said capturing the three tails was easy. Same with the Juubi, Killer bee noted how much stringer Juubito was compared to the juubi, which Gyuki explained it was due to becoming a Jinchuuriki.

BM Naruto matched 5 bijuu's power combined on his own. Sent them all flying with just a roar of his as well. Not to mention the kurama avatar can use chakra arms and extent its tails and such. Something regular kurama can't. BM Naruto tanked the Juubi laser just by shielding with its tails, no different to BM bee. Not to mention BM Narutos speed, something full kurama has never displayed, was able to blitz and deflect 5 Bijuu bombs.

100% kurama is definitely not stronger. Not sure where you got superior firepower, chakra and durability. Do you have actual facts to back any of those claims. What has 100% kurama done that surpasses BM kurama? Not to mention that it's a combination of the bijuu's power and its hosts power. BM Minato/Naruto has all the nine tails power in addition to space time ninjutsu, senjutsu, massive Rasengans and rasenshurikens etc. BM is obviously more powerful and versatile.

Full kurama's tbb barrage is 12 tbb's minimum( tbb's mind you that are half the size of madara's ps sword) while bm naruto's tbb barrage is 5 max. So thats over double in terms of firepower.

So that right there is superior firepower(and by extension chakra(unless you think naruto's puny contributions is greater than half of himself)). The only thing bm is better in is durability since it's a chakra construct and not flesh and bone.

 

[TRE MERCER]

L0l how can they even get past Mokujin without Bijuudamas? L0l. Clawing at it won't do much and wood dragon would restrain the avatars and once they let them down Mokujin stomps on them literally.​

 

[Heisenberg Wannabe]

L0l how can they even get past Mokujin without Bijuudamas? L0l. Clawing at it won't do much and wood dragon would restrain the avatars and once they let them down Mokujin stomps on them literally.​

Simple FRS was enough to knock Half-Kyuubi down.. That would hardly be a problem against Giant FRS attacks.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Simple FRS was enough to knock Half-Kyuubi down.. That would hardly be a problem against Giant FRS attacks.

Mokujin tanked full Kurama's Bijuudama a giant FRS won't do shit. Not only that these giant hands can come out of the ground and tank it for him.(

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[KingHashirama]

They can only use TBB, if Hashirama lets them use TBB.

Restricting FTG is whats changing the situation. With FTG, it'd be a close fight ... without it.. they are just normal jinchurikis waiting to be contained.

Full kurama's tbb barrage is 12 tbb's minimum( tbb's mind you that are half the size of madara's ps sword) while bm naruto's tbb barrage is 5 max. So thats over double in terms of firepower.

So that right there is superior firepower(and by extension chakra(unless you think naruto's puny contributions is greater than half of himself)). The only thing bm is better in is durability since it's a chakra construct and not flesh and bone.

Kurama does have regeneration abilities tho, so i doubt the flesh and bone would change its durability.

Unless, all jinchurikis get those abilities.

 

[Heisenberg Wannabe]

Mokujin tanked full Kurama's Bijuudama a giant FRS won't do shit. Not only that these giant hands can come out of the ground and tank it for him.(

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FRS is more effective than TBB against Hashirama.

FRS is cutting, TBB is exploding. Diffrent kind of effects they leave at their target. Hashirama's wood was able to hold TBB but it can't hold FRS as it couldn't hold Madara's TBB+Susano'o Sword combo.

 

[TRE MERCER]

FRS is more effective than TBB against Hashirama.

FRS is cutting, TBB is exploding. Diffrent kind of effects they leave at their target. Hashirama's wood was able to hold TBB but it can't hold FRS as it couldn't hold Madara's TBB+Susano'o Sword combo.

FRS cutting force should be compared to a Ps blade which can slice mountains. Giant FRS gets caught by a Giant Mokuton hands.​

 

[Heisenberg Wannabe]

FRS cutting force should be compared to a Ps blade which can slice mountains. Giant FRS gets caught by a Giant Mokuton hands.​

Hashirama was able to caught Madara's PS blade from sides of it which are blunt. They're hardly similar.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

They can only use TBB, if Hashirama lets them use TBB.

Restricting FTG is whats changing the situation. With FTG, it'd be a close fight ... without it.. they are just normal jinchurikis waiting to be contained.



Kurama does have regeneration abilities tho, so i doubt the flesh and bone would change its durability.

Unless, all jinchurikis get those abilities.

It's regen is inferior to bm, so by extension durability is inferior.

 

[ARGUS]

Because a Jinchuuriki stronger than a tailed beast as said more than once in the manga. Deidara mentioned how a Bijuu just throws it's power without any real control, while a Jinchuuriki properly focuses and harnesses that power. Hence why Tobi and deidara said capturing the three tails was easy. Same with the Juubi, Killer bee noted how much stringer Juubito was compared to the juubi, which Gyuki explained it was due to becoming a Jinchuuriki.

This entire statement is refuted for all the bijuu, bar Juubi
manga has already showed us that the bijuu arent some mindless beasts as they clearly have a conscience and the ability to control their power,
the perfect jin being above the bijuu is also not true for such bijuu when we consider the fact that there was absolutely no difference in power between Obitos perfect jins and their bijuus themselves, absolutely none whatsoever,
so why would kurama be any different?

inb4 anything else, well here we go,

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barely any noticeable to difference, so your point is moot here,

Full Kyuubi > Half kyuubi
and Half Kyuubi = BM kurama avatar, so Full Kyuubi > BM avatar

BM Naruto matched 5 bijuu's power combined on his own.

and what exactly is BM naruto? ill tell you its 50% kurama,
and half kyuubi matched the bijuus power,

Sent them all flying with just a roar of his as well.

and why wont normal 50% kurama be unable to do this? let alone full kyuubi?

Not to mention the kurama avatar can use chakra arms and extent its tails and such. Something regular kurama can't.

Makes absolutely no difference in pretty much any high level battle

BM Naruto tanked the Juubi laser just by shielding with its tails, no different to BM bee.

and why cant full kyuubi do this? especiaally when those tails and avatar are kyuubi itself,
and lol not sure why bee is brought up here,

Not to mention BM Narutos speed, something full kurama has never displayed, was able to blitz and deflect 5 Bijuu bombs.

Speed is the only thing that i agree with, firepower and durability? nah no way

100% kurama is definitely not stronger.

yu have provided no argument whatsoever besides Perfect JIn > Bijuuu which holds no credibility here as explained above

Not sure where you got superior firepower, chakra and durability. Do you have actual facts to back any of those claims.

Firepower:
--Full Kyuubi managed to fire off 12 TBBs in a continous barrage, BM Kurama avatar only managed to do 5 of them,
--each one Full Kyuubis TBB are larger than half kyuubis TBB by a considerable size seeing how much larger full kyuubi is in comparison to half kyuubi,
larger TBB = stronger TBB,
12 larger TBB >> 5 smaller TBB,
therefore Full Kyuubis firepower > BM avatar

Chakra:
Ehh, Full Kyuubis Chakra >> Half Kyuubis chakra, you do the math,
cant believe you actually asked this,

Durability:
full kyuubi is physically superior to the BM avatar, meaning superior durability and strength
BM avatar is pretty much Half Kyuubi only in a chakra form,
in a physical brawl Full Kyuubi wouldd manhandle the BM avatar due the sheer size and strength difference

What has 100% kurama done that surpasses BM kurama?

The above should shut your entire case here

Not to mention that it's a combination of the bijuu's power and its hosts power.

Yeah the host is using the bijuus power,, so again NO

BM Minato/Naruto has all the nine tails power in addition to space time ninjutsu

yeah but iim only talking about the bijuu themselves,
FTG has nothing to do with this

, senjutsu,

Does it account for the extra half of the kyuubi? i dont think so

massive Rasengans

Garbage to kyuubi

and rasenshurikens etc.

Trash infront of TBB

BM is obviously more powerful and versatile.

yeah no, its not more powerful, only more versatile, which doesnt mean that it could beat it in a combat nor does it mean that its overall superior