Base Gai VS Base Madara in a Taijutsu fight

[LuckyMan]

Gai loses what are you still debating this for? I've explained Madara's durability and speed and EMS ability to track someone's on Juubito's level of speed...

You explained Madara took a punch he guarded against by Ay.
You showed he has the shunshin speed to blitz SM Naruto thats his movement speed, not fight speed
Jubito shunshin > Jubito floating

You haven't proved if Madara can take a combo from Gai. Its different than guarding against a single punch.
Movement Speed is not fight speed. Sure Madara can shunshin and get from point A to point B fast but can he throw a series of kicks and punches so fast that Gai can't react and counter with his own? That is fight speed my friend.

Sasuke tracking Jubito has nothing to with this fight, Jubito was floating in the sky Gai will be up close in his face attacking them. Irrelevant point and once again, you're comparing movement to fight speed when they are different.

 

[Draphsin]

I don't know, I mean obito was able to keep up with gai's movements, [

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It really comes down to who's faster, EMS sasuke or gai, & since EMS sasuke was able to track & intercept a JJ's speed after a while. [

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[neosmith500]

I don't know, I mean obito was able to keep up with gai's movements, [

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It really comes down to who's faster, EMS sasuke or gai, & since EMS sasuke was able to track & intercept a JJ's speed after a while. [

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] I'm inclined to believe that he is.

Only because of the Cloak he received from ashura/naruto not to mention CM
-V1 juubito soloed Lol
-After that he got a OP Upgrade.

 

[TRE MERCER]

EMS Sasuke was only able to track juubito after receiving naruto/ashura cloak while naruto was able because of BSM, V1 juubito neged EMS Sasuke with ease.

OT: I think guy wins with life gate/3rd.

Juubito was floating? .(

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). Naruto cloak doesn't improve vision at all... OT clearly states base Gai 3rd gate isn't allowed...

You explained Madara took a punch he guarded against by Ay.
You showed he has the shunshin speed to blitz SM Naruto thats his movement speed, not fight speed
Jubito shunshin > Jubito floating

You haven't proved if Madara can take a combo from Gai. Its different than guarding against a single punch.
Movement Speed is not fight speed. Sure Madara can shunshin and get from point A to point B fast but can he throw a series of kicks and punches so fast that Gai can't react and counter with his own? That is fight speed my friend.

Sasuke tracking Jubito has nothing to with this fight, Jubito was floating in the sky Gai will be up close in his face attacking them. Irrelevant point and once again, you're comparing movement to fight speed when they are different.

Madara fought on par with SM Hashirama as well. Gai based speed and strength is mediocre at best... V2 Ei is easily above base Gai and Madara blocked it... While being distracted by Mei's Lava... Yes that was v2 Ei seeing as His hair was sticking up.(

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). Tank a combo from Gai he tanked a Punch from v2 Raikage...

 

[Draphsin]

Only because of the Cloak he received from ashura/naruto not to mention CM

Prove that naruto's cloak increases a character's speed/reactions, & don't use naruto himself as an example.

Same for the CM chakra provided by juugo, because as far as I know that merely increased the power of his susanoo.

-V1 juubito soloed Lol

-After that he got a OP Upgrade.

V1 Juubito was point blank range plus how could sasuke have expected his susanoo [ultimate defense] would be destroyed so easily? This is irrelevant.

 

[LuckyMan]

Juubito was floating? .(

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). Naruto cloak doesn't improve vision at all... OT clearly states base Gai 3rd gate isn't allowed...


Madara fought on par with SM Hashirama as well. Gai based speed and strength is mediocre at best... V2 Ei is easily above base Gai and Madara blocked it... While being distracted by Mei's Lava... Yes that was v2 Ei seeing as His hair was sticking up.(

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). Tank a combo from Gai he tanked a Punch from v2 Raikage...

For all we know after their huge clash and Kurama got put to sleep, Hashirama used all his SM chakra. Baseless claim. He punches grown men through walls, breaks boulders with his elbows, and fights on par with Rinnegan Obito but his speed and strength is mediocre? Please.

I just explained the difference between movement and fight speed and either you skipped it or flat out don't understand it because you're still talking about Ay being above Gai and you're misinterpreting manga scans because that is clearly V1 Ay. Anyone who knows the difference between the two would agree.

 

[Touken]

I don't know, I mean obito was able to keep up with gai's movements, [

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] yet madara was able to keep up with EMS sasuke's. [

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It really comes down to who's faster, EMS sasuke or gai, & since EMS sasuke was able to track & intercept a JJ's speed after a while. [

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] I'm inclined to believe that he is.

1st scan seriously implies Gai wanted Obito to read his movements and absorb his nunchaku.

When Gai wants to, he can be unpredictable [

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[Lariatoo]

That's...
Actually a pretty tough one to decide...
Both have excellent feats concerning technique, finesse, reaction and speed...
Both scenarios will be hard dificulty...
But it think I'm going with:
S1: Gai (he was hailed more than thrice as the greatest taijutsu user)
S2: Madara (gunbai and Uchiha Nagashi makes all the diference)

 

[LuckyMan]

That's...
Actually a pretty tough one to decide...
Both have excellent feats concerning technique, finesse, reaction and speed...
Both scenarios will be hard dificulty...
But it think I'm going with:
S1: Gai (he was hailed more than thrice as the greatest taijutsu user)
S2: Madara (gunbai and Uchiha Nagashi makes all the diference)

Thats actually a ninjutsu confirmed by the DB, not Bukijutsu

 

[neosmith500]

Juubito was floating? .(

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). Naruto cloak doesn't improve vision at all... OT clearly states base Gai 3rd gate isn't allowed...


Madara fought on par with SM Hashirama as well. Gai based speed and strength is mediocre at best... V2 Ei is easily above base Gai and Madara blocked it... While being distracted by Mei's Lava... Yes that was v2 Ei seeing as His hair was sticking up.(

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). Tank a combo from Gai he tanked a Punch from v2 Raikage...

All very true, Madara should win easily with his sharingan given the feat of him reacting to Aye but gai's skill in CQC will presure the uchiha to mid diff at best without gates.

 

[Benjamin King]

Obito had no trouble reading and keeping up with Gai in CQC. [

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] Madara has almost equal CQC capacity to Obito, if not better. As seen against V1 Ay, he blocked his punch from mid-air, and V1 Ay is vastly faster than 6th Gate (this is Base Gai). He blocked BM Naruto and blocked Tsunade when she was transported at the speed of light. Madara's reaction time is well noticeably top tier, and he should have no problem reading Gai's movements as Obito successfully did.

Aside his reaction and reflexes, his speed blitzed SM Naruto before the latter could even think. And SM Naruto kept up with the likes of Juubito. Base Gai has nothing on that.

Gunabi to block and cut Shinju roots, reaction and reflexes to intercept Ay & BM Naruto & teleported Tsunade, and the speed to blitz SM Naruto; Base Gai stands no chance in here.

 

[Draphsin]

1st scan seriously implies Gai wanted Obito to read his movements and absorb his nunchaku.

When Gai wants to, he can be unpredictable [

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Highly doubt gai wanted obito to absorb his weapons, there would be a huge risk involved. He was playing the diversion but that doesn't mean he had to get his weapons taken away & risk being warped all to test out kakashi's strategy that may or may not have worked. [

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Never denied gai's unpredictability, & he certainly is. Imho though he needs a few gates open before he can do what lee did to sasuke in part 1. [

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