[Discussion] Bartolomeo's Barrier?

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

BirdCage was said to be razor sharp which regardless of who else was there is an implication that it should have been able to cut through the barrier like it did the houses and stones and everything else. Everybody else around has no relation to the strings effect on Bart's barrier.

Yes it does because without those ppl helping him push it back do U honestly think he could've kept it back on his own ?

 

[chopstickchakra]

Yes it does because without those ppl helping him push it back do U honestly think he could've kept it back on his own ?

Keeping it back isn't the issue though, the issue is Doffy's strings(as tough as they were) weren't able to cut/damage his barrier, all they could manage to do was push him back.

You using the strings pushing Bart is a comparison of the user over the tool, strong to barrier is comparing the tool, Birdcage(a move) pushing Barto is a competition between Bart and Doffy's strength. If you were holding a plate of steel Arnold Schwarzenegger pushed against you with an eraser, you'd be pushed back too but the eraser isn't stronger than the steel just because it moved it back.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Keeping it back isn't the issue though, the issue is Doffy's strings(as tough as they were) weren't able to cut/damage his barrier, all they could manage to do was push him back.

You using the strings pushing Bart is a comparison of the user over the tool, strong to barrier is comparing the tool, Birdcage(a move) pushing Barto is a competition between Bart and Doffy's strength. If you were holding a plate of steel Arnold Schwarzenegger pushed against you with an eraser, you'd be pushed back too but the eraser isn't stronger than the steel just because it moved it back.

I get that what in saying is had it been only him the amount of force needed to keep it at bay (zoro haki Fuji needing to help plus 1,000 other fighters) would've logically broke Barto barrier had he been alone or at the very least send him flying because he doesn't have the help to keep it at bay like he did

Cuz he had a king
1st mate of straw hats
Navy admiral and shit ton of collosium fighters helping him which is why he was able to push it back it was a group effort had he been alone logically his barrier would've failed or at least should hav e

 

[chopstickchakra]

I get that what in saying is had it been only him the amount of force needed to keep it at bay (zoro haki Fuji needing to help plus 1,000 other fighters) would've logically broke Barto barrier had he been alone or at the very least send him flying because he doesn't have the help to keep it at bay like he did

Cuz he had a king
1st mate of straw hats
Navy admiral and shit ton of collosium fighters helping him which is why he was able to push it back it was a group effort had he been alone logically his barrier would've failed or at least should hav e

The barrier wouldn't have failed from the strings though and that was shown when it wasn't cut in half by the strings and Bart used it to push them back. That feat alone shows his barrier is strong enough to survive Doffy's strings. Whether he can keep that barrier from moving is a different issue and I'm not arguing he was overpowered by Birdcage(I'm not trying to say Bart and his barrier alone could have stopped it shrinking nothing was able to stop it's progress), I'm arguing the strings couldn't break his barrier.

If Bart made a bubble within Birdcage it would shrink around him pressing his barrier in until it smashed him to death inside his own barrier(assuming he doesn't release it before that happens) BUT the barrier would hold until that time. The barrier itself is highly durable.

 

[BusinessManTeno]

Im real curious as to why people are saying if it was in haki it couldnt be broken
but in the manga and it was even said by him that nothing can break his barrier

Birdcage was making the barrier his *****? lmao what? by that logic every single person in the birdcage was the birdcage *****. Last time I checked, if it wasnt for the sea stone building, zoro and cos sword, and BARTS BARRIER, then the birdcage wouldnt have stopped for a bit. Lets stop trying to hype things up cause that simply means his barrier is as strong as sea stone and arms haki.

The only weakness we seen so far is that if you are fast enough then u can get past it which cavendish who is one of the fastest we seen with raw speed couldnt even get past it. So at this very moment, nothing is taking out his barrier, but being realistic, his barriers vs somebody like luffy who is immune to blunt attacks wont do shit. Luffy can simply wait for the right time. But bart can honestly just sit and chill with his barrier active, and unless its coming from below nothing is breaking it. Even fujitora had to change his attacking tactic soon as bart mentioned his barrier.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

The barrier wouldn't have failed from the strings though and that was shown when it wasn't cut in half by the strings and Bart used it to push them back. That feat alone shows his barrier is strong enough to survive Doffy's strings. Whether he can keep that barrier from moving is a different issue and I'm not arguing he was overpowered by Birdcage(I'm not trying to say Bart and his barrier alone could have stopped it shrinking nothing was able to stop it's progress), I'm arguing the strings couldn't break his barrier.

If Bart made a bubble within Birdcage it would shrink around him pressing his barrier in until it smashed him to death inside his own barrier(assuming he doesn't release it before that happens) BUT the barrier would hold until that time. The barrier itself is highly durable.

I understand now my bad bro

 

[Zeta42]

Barto claims his barriers are unbreakable as they are, however he can't stop massive attacks like Pica's golem punch (well, maybe he can if he wraps himself in a barrier bubble). It's safe to say he can stop any physical objects, be it Akainu's magma fist or Caesar's poison gas. A possible exception would be Kizaru's light attacks.