[Discussion] Bartolomeo is a Tank!!!!

[MickNerks]

Im really curious how durable this mans barriers really are now. They have shown incredible durability since the introduction of his character.

So Far he has tanked:

Hacks Fishman Karate
Elizabello's King Punch which could overwhelm a Yonko
Bellamy's Attack
Dillenger's Attack
Gladius Rupture Body


And Now it has even been shown to hold back the bird cage and defend against doffy's strings.

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Bartolomeo has stated that he will continue to train and get stronger in order to be somone luffy can truely rely on. My question to you is what new ways do you see bartolomeo improving his ability and becoming stronger for luffy, because if he does become stronger and joins the crew, the monster 3 will likely become the monster 4.

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^^^This internal dialog reminded me alot of this

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I see him having the ability to imbue haki into his barriers which will give them more durability and make them more effective on logia users.

I also can see him learning to cloack his entire body in the barrier to give him a invincible armor and make him invincible on the battlefield.​

What do you think he will be able to do?
And do you think his barriers could block attacks from Mihawk, Shanks, Whitebeard, Garp, or Akainu?

 

[loj]

He's a BEAST!

That guy is a living tank.Throw brick at him and he will tank it.Kamekameha him and he will tank it.

Oda make him a mugiwara.

10/10 for Aster in sig.

 

[BaseGodNaruto]

Eh Sanji level Barrier will have limits nobody pushed him too his max

 

[MickNerks]

He's a BEAST!

That guy is a living tank.Throw brick at him and he will tank it.Kamekameha him and he will tank it.

Oda make him a mugiwara.

10/10 for Aster in sig.

Im sure he will be a straw hat by the end of this year. They have foreshadowed him joining more then any other crew member.

Eh Sanji level Barrier will have limits nobody pushed him too his max

His barriers tanks "The Kings Punch", which destroyed a fortress and is said to overwhelm a yonko. Im pretty sure sanji wouldnt be a problem for it.

 

[Bogard]

You mean his barrier or him?

 

[MickNerks]

You mean his barrier or him?

His Barrier

 

[loj]

Im sure he will be a straw hat by the end of this year. They have foreshadowed him joining more then any other crew member.

I'd love it!! I love Bartolomeo!

 

[OG sama]

He will have Susanoo lol.

Barto has crazy potential, is it far fetched to believe he may actually be Admiral level someday?

 

[MickNerks]

He will have Susanoo lol.

Barto has crazy potential, is it far fetched to believe he may actually be Admiral level someday?

Not really far fetched seeing how oda made a blind gambling old man a admiral lmao.

But I agree that Bartolomeo definitely has great potential

 

[Kiri Starstalker]

Nothing can withstand Flamingo's strings, he might be able to hold it up for a bit, but he's gonna get shredded..

 

[keshav31]

I think he will be a SH.Also training can increase his barrier ability.If he gets haki that means invincible armor with haki as well.He can give protection to any team member anytime & ship as well from outcoming cannons.If his ability mixed with luffy awakening the predict the damage.As force of barrier with luffy elasticity.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

i really hope barto becomes a straw hat...

 

[SanjiZoroLuffy]

no way he will be a monster trio member HE is abit above franky and robin since his Devil fruit is pretty hax and he probaly has haki but monster trio > can low diff gladius or w/e that expolding guy name is

 

[kageking]

That was impressive! And if you think about it it's not just the strings its able to withstand getting cut by, but the added pressure of all the coloseum warriors and dressrosans pushing against it too.

The only weakness I've seen from Barto (besides his acute fanboy syndrome) is that his barrier can only be effective if he responds to the threat in time. Then again he took many hits in his fight with gladius and came out pretty much ok.

I like his character a lot but I don't know that he'd fit in with the strawhats as a crewmember. Also Luffy hates people putting him on that hero pedestal. It'd be cool if he had a mr.2 esque role, helping out Luffy and the crew in future arcs.

 

[chopstickchakra]

He'll eventually get the skill to put his barriers inside people and expand them, exploding them from the inside.

 

[Caliburn]

Well he is a barrierman and barriers are supposed to block stuff. That's why I also said a while back in a thread about potential haxed awakened DF that the entire concept of DF can be considered a hax as Oda decides himself what the limits of each DF are. It's the same thing with DD's DF. What are those strings made out of? Well strings .-. What are Barto's barriers made out of? Barriers. It's the inherent nature of his DF to block attacks. So yeah I believe it can block an enormous amount of stuff. I mean Luffy was able to negate practically all of Enel's direct lightning attacks just because he was made out of rubber and rubber has a natural advantage over lightning. Thus you could say that Barto's barriers have a natural advantage over direct attacks.

Barto's ability has a lot of potential, I mean he could practically become some kind of pseudo-Kumo with barrier paws on his hands, however as I said before Oda decides where he draws the line as many DF have a lot of potential, but that doesn't mean he exploits it.

Currently it's still quite a flawed ability so even taking into consideration its potential ability to block high-level attacks, it's really not enough to be too hyped about it. He can only make a limited amount of barriers, their size has a limit, they can only block direct attacks and even if the barrier doesn't break, it doesn't mean it will save you. This became very clear in the latest chapter. The barrier blocks the strings, but it can't stop them. If for example Fujitora would drop a comet on Barto and he creates a barrier in the air, it's possible the weight of the comet is so heavy that Barto gets flattened between the ground and his own barrier. Though it does seem to be very proficient in neutralizing shockwave based attacks like the King's Punch as those don't have any kind of substance or weight.

He'll eventually get the skill to put his barriers inside people and expand them, exploding them from the inside.

Nah, I don't think that will ever be possible. Putting aside that that would be plainly unfair, and thus not an interesting tech seen from Oda's and the plot's perspective, it goes against the principle of a barrier. It has been a while since I read the Gladius vs Bartolomeo fight, but I remember asking myself why Barto locked himself inside the barrier orb rather than just locking Gladius alone in it? My conclusion right now is that if he would do something like that, it wouldn't be a barrier anymore. So Barto has got there a bit of a weird weakness. Sticking a barrier inside someone and making it expand kinda goes against the entire principle of a barrier as it's well not protecting anything.

Though I might have missed something during that fight, can't remember it well as there was also something of him having to stab Gladius so it might have been needed for him to lock himself inside his barrier.

 

[MickNerks]

Nah, I don't think that will ever be possible. Putting aside that that would be plainly unfair, and thus not an interesting tech seen from Oda's and the plot's perspective, it goes against the principle of a barrier. It has been a while since I read the Gladius vs Bartolomeo fight, but I remember asking myself why Barto locked himself inside the barrier orb rather than just locking Gladius alone in it? My conclusion right now is that if he would do something like that, it wouldn't be a barrier anymore. So Barto has got there a bit of a weird weakness. Sticking a barrier inside someone and making it expand kinda goes against the entire principle of a barrier as it's well not protecting anything.

Though I might have missed something during that fight, can't remember it well as there was also something of him having to stab Gladius so it might have been needed for him to lock himself inside his barrier.

I would have agreed with you on the underlined, but we also have seen bartolomeo use his barriers for other purposes other than blocking or protecting. Example of this is when he created a staircase for luffy to run up to get to the next level.

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I think bartolomeo's limit with his barrier is also his imagination, as he had a hard time deciding what to create in order to stop gladius from hurting robin. He may not have much experience with his devil fruit which is why he lacks the imagination of how to use it in versatile ways.

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[Caliburn]

I would have agreed with you on the underlined, but we also have seen bartolomeo use his barriers for other purposes other than blocking or protecting. Example of this is when he created a staircase for luffy to run up to get to the next level.

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I think bartolomeo's limit with his barrier is also his imagination, as he had a hard time deciding what to create in order to stop gladius from hurting robin. He may not have much experience with his devil fruit which is why he lacks the imagination of how to use it in versatile ways.

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That depends on how you are looking at it as that stairs can also be considered a barrier that is 'blocking' people walking on it from the other side of the stairs. What different is, are Barto's own intentions, but that doesn't mean that the barrier's purpose on itself remains the same.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Well he is a barrierman and barriers are supposed to block stuff. That's why I also said a while back in a thread about potential haxed awakened DF that the entire concept of DF can be considered a hax as Oda decides himself what the limits of each DF are. It's the same thing with DD's DF. What are those strings made out of? Well strings .-. What are Barto's barriers made out of? Barriers. It's the inherent nature of his DF to block attacks. So yeah I believe it can block an enormous amount of stuff. I mean Luffy was able to negate practically all of Enel's direct lightning attacks just because he was made out of rubber and rubber has a natural advantage over lightning. Thus you could say that Barto's barriers have a natural advantage over direct attacks.

Barto's ability has a lot of potential, I mean he could practically become some kind of pseudo-Kumo with barrier paws on his hands, however as I said before Oda decides where he draws the line as many DF have a lot of potential, but that doesn't mean he exploits it.

Currently it's still quite a flawed ability so even taking into consideration its potential ability to block high-level attacks, it's really not enough to be too hyped about it. He can only make a limited amount of barriers, their size has a limit, they can only block direct attacks and even if the barrier doesn't break, it doesn't mean it will save you. This became very clear in the latest chapter. The barrier blocks the strings, but it can't stop them. If for example Fujitora would drop a comet on Barto and he creates a barrier in the air, it's possible the weight of the comet is so heavy that Barto gets flattened between the ground and his own barrier. Though it does seem to be very proficient in neutralizing shockwave based attacks like the King's Punch as those don't have any kind of substance or weight.



Nah, I don't think that will ever be possible. Putting aside that that would be plainly unfair, and thus not an interesting tech seen from Oda's and the plot's perspective, it goes against the principle of a barrier. It has been a while since I read the Gladius vs Bartolomeo fight, but I remember asking myself why Barto locked himself inside the barrier orb rather than just locking Gladius alone in it? My conclusion right now is that if he would do something like that, it wouldn't be a barrier anymore. So Barto has got there a bit of a weird weakness. Sticking a barrier inside someone and making it expand kinda goes against the entire principle of a barrier as it's well not protecting anything.

Though I might have missed something during that fight, can't remember it well as there was also something of him having to stab Gladius so it might have been needed for him to lock himself inside his barrier.

Sue Richards can do it with her force field which are essentially the same concept. It would also be the extreme top of his fruits' abilities like Law's ability to grant ever lasting life is the ultimate technique of his DF. It wouldn't necessarily be that unfair either if you think about it, if we go with your assertion of being barriers then it's power would drastically be cut compared to his barriers as this would be an attack and not a barrier. Plus armament haki could theoretically be used to suppress the expansion of his barrier. Leaving it not a viable attack for higher tier fighters like the M3 with good armament but for high up mid tiers like Gladius level opponents. Speaking of Gladius, I think it might have been neat if Bart had this ability and tried it on Gladius but Gladius being a rupture rupture man would be unaffected thanks to his inherent DF edge over the attack.

 

[Caliburn]

Sue Richards can do it with her force field which are essentially the same concept. It would also be the extreme top of his fruits' abilities like Law's ability to grant ever lasting life is the ultimate technique of his DF. It wouldn't necessarily be that unfair either if you think about it, if we go with your assertion of being barriers then it's power would drastically be cut compared to his barriers as this would be an attack and not a barrier. Plus armament haki could theoretically be used to suppress the expansion of his barrier. Leaving it not a viable attack for higher tier fighters like the M3 with good armament but for high up mid tiers like Gladius level opponents. Speaking of Gladius, I think it might have been neat if Bart had this ability and tried it on Gladius but Gladius being a rupture rupture man would be unaffected thanks to his inherent DF edge over the attack.

Sue Richards is not from the OP verse, so that makes her irrelevant. Even if the same ability appears in another series, the fact that it appears in another series, makes it pretty much another ability. That she can do it doesn't mean Barto can do it as they do not have any connection with each other. Many abilities pop up in different series and still in one it's extremely powerful, but in another extremely weak.

Proof of that is that Sue Richards powers have been explained. She doesn't create barriers, she uses a type of energy which she, among others, can use as a barrier. Barto does the complete opposite, he doesn't create any kind of special energy, he creates barriers. That's what his DF is, barrierfruit and he is a barrierman. He doesn't create something that functions as a barrier, he creates barriers. So the nature of their powers is very different.

In reality that kind of logic doesn't make any sense, but that's how Oda works. That's why I said before that the concept of a DF can be considered on itself a hax as Oda decides where he draws the line. Almost every DF can be considered highly powerful if you start thinking of what would be the most powerful way of using it. But thinking like that is quite futile as then nearly every DF becomes über powerful. It's really wrong to approach a DF from that perspective and consequently interpret it as that then the DF would be too weak if he can't do that, because well that's how DF work.

I also already said that in the end it comes down to Barto's intentions whether he wants to use them offensively or defensively, but in essence they still remain barriers as Barto indeed doesn't have that much real offensive power. Hence also my conclusion that his DF is a barrier in the true essence of the word. I mean he inflicts mainly damage by the recoil force of the opponents own attacks (for example Hack) or by pressing people against a solid surface with his barrier (those guys in the Corrida Colosseum). The only attack he has done so far that seemed to have done some real damage, was his Barrier Pistol, but in the end that was also a barrier 'defending' his hand and just functioned as some kind of gauntlet. Inherently Barto's DF is a defensive type DF. I mean he could easily make them far more damaging by just changing the shape of his barriers, but so far they were all flat or round surfaces and I really don't think that that is just result of him having little imagination.

I mean if for example Buggy would be able to transform himself into thousands of little sections, he could enter people's bodies and cut them up from the inside. Are we now going to consider his fruit also highly powerful despite the fact that it was so far quite weak?