Ay was a terrible shinobi

[Guntah]

Didn't I show you this scan when we had that discussion about Hebi Sasuke being much faster than SM Naruto and you claimed that the whole thing was an asspull?

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And here you are again, saying this:

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You really think you have everyone fooled, when I have seen this laughable attitude from you time and time again? Yes, you do come with an agenda. Always and it doesn't make you right, it makes you more wrong and more comical. Look at you now, I and Mellanoma just posted facts up there that even at an "insane" level of speed where Onoki lightened him to an "unthikable" degree, he still went for a ****ing "chop." Along with the hell-stab one, and you just ... handwaved them away as they don't add to your agenda.

You haven't produced one evidence to counter this claim, other than some baseless BS about momentum, when Onoki lightening Raikage would produce an insane amount of it, and he still didn't use a tech you believe to be more powerful than LB. And I will ask you again: where is your proof for this claim? Produce it. But sincerely, I don't expect you to budge. Why? That's how you people roll. It is useless to bicker with a Naruto-die-hard.

You...didn't really disprove me. No one did. Sure, Sasuke was not out of chakra, I concede on that, but I still think that was massive bullshit. Of course argue all you want how a wounded Sasuke on his last legs is fast enough to summon a snake, put it on a Genjutsu, get onto its mouth and teleport away while competing with a nuke sized explosion not thirty feet away from him,. I mean, I'm not gonna question whatever delusions you have for Sasuke, but its still bullshit to me.

By the way, I think when you try for a straight chop with a closed hand, its not a chop, just a punch, which is what broke the Susanoo. He chopped at the Second Tsuchikage, but I'm really not sure what you'd be trying to prove with that other than the fact that he used that move when he was at top speed to get rid of someone who wasn't even his target. Unless you're just trying to discredit me out of this discussion, which...why, even?

 

[Guntah]

lol what? Raikage wraps his limbs in chakra before he attacks as well. I responded based off of your comment.

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Show me a scan of Raikage not using chakra in his attacks

Yes, but you're comparing poking something with a really sharp edge to hitting them with blunt force. Its a spear technique, its meant to pierce, not to just hit like a kick or a chop, that's why he uses it on his fingers. Would be a bit weird if he tried making a spear out of a closed fist.

 

[King Of Pop]

I think he is decent overall. he was pissed at sasuke for personal reasons which is to be fair is understandable. he is more brawl but thats his style

 

[shelke]

You...didn't really disprove me. No one did. Sure, Sasuke was not out of chakra, I concede on that, but I still think that was massive bullshit. Of course argue all you want how a wounded Sasuke on his last legs is fast enough to summon a snake, put it on a Genjutsu, get onto its mouth and teleport away while competing with a nuke sized explosion not thirty feet away from him,. I mean, I'm not gonna question whatever delusions you have for Sasuke, but its still bullshit to me.

By the way, I think when you try for a straight chop with a closed hand, its not a chop, just a punch, which is what broke the Susanoo. He chopped at the Second Tsuchikage, but I'm really not sure what you'd be trying to prove with that other than the fact that he used that move when he was at top speed to get rid of someone who wasn't even his target. Unless you're just trying to discredit me out of this discussion, which...why, even?

That's a nice, idiotic argument you have got there: it's not in the manga, so, you are incapable of disproving it. I suppose prior visual evidence didn't sink in nor the plain English I wrote then. But, I forgot, you can't wrap your head around comparative clauses, anything else would, obviously, be beyond you. And of course, it will be BS to you. Isn't that a new trick from you?

What are you talking about? A chop is simply a movement with a hand. I am talking about his combo with Onoki. I could say, "read the manga," but the statement that, "I don't care either way, yo," kinda makes it pointless.

 

[NarutoX28]

On the contrary, Raikage is a virtuous shinobi. I commend him for displaying conditional love for Bee even though they weren't blood-related and I still commend him for his efforts to protect Bee despite what he had seemingly become, a monster. Raikage does embody stereotypes such as masculinity, but also embodied admirable characteristics that deviate from that as well.

Frankly, I don't understand the hate towards Raikage's hard-headed, obstinate personality considering the circumstances he was in including how he had recently lost or believed to have lost his brother to an organization that was still rampant. After the meeting at the Kage Summit was over, the Kages actually did elect Raikage as the leader of the Alliance, so it obviously was believed that his hard-headed behavior wasn't as severe as the OP made it out to be.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

can't believe some sasuke fans are still butthurt over sasuke being manhandled by the raikage.

it ended in a draw due to gaara get over it.

The Raikage immediately powered up to Biju levels to significantly enhance his speed, strength, & power when he saw Sasuke's Mangekyo & still had to sacrafice a limb just to potentially touch/harm Sasuke. Is this really something to brag about in favor of the Raikage?

Everything aside, It was cleared up in manga that naruto said that because he sensed indra in sasuke and didn't know about ashura in himself. It was cleared up when naruto met hogoromo. You can read that again if you want. So naruto was clearly referring to sasuke's potential not the actual MS sasuke. Because if you think blind tired exhausted MS sasuke is stronger than fresh SM naruto then you need help.
OT: Ay was a fine shinobi. He was going for revenge against sasuke and that was his most reckless fight. Sasuke himself did the same thing and went emo on everyone he encountered when he was going after revenge on konoha. What's your opinion on that? Besides that one fight, Ay was fine.

When he was speaking to the other Konoha kids he said that he couldn't beat Sasuke by just being strong. It is that moment that Naruto recalled when speaking to the Sage. When he said he needed the Kyuubi's power to fight him he was clearly referring to the MS Sasuke he heard about from the Sand Ninja who seen him in action. Obviously he wasn't saying this in regard to just the weakened Sasuke he clashed with briefly.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Raikage would've lost a leg, Sasuke would lose most of his torso.

Susanoo would've protected Sasuke. Raikage's strongest attack Liger bomb wasnt enough to completely take away Susanoo so I don't see the kicking killing Sasuke.
OP: Nah, he did those dumb actions against Sasuke because he was still very angry at Sasuke for what he supposedly did to Bee. In his encounter with Minato he showed he can be calm and analytical in a situation.

 

[WalksInShadows]

This is why I said he was wreckless and irrational everytime he fought.

you're still wrong, because the only fights he was angry in were 3, and only in 1 of them was he arguably irrational. The fight with Minato isn't one of them, because he fought that one with a sense of urgency. It hardly makes him reckless or irrational, especially when he can be seen trying to form a strategy.

 

[Mellanoma]

you're still wrong, because the only fights he was angry in were 3, and only in 1 of them was he arguably irrational. The fight with Minato isn't one of them, because he fought that one with a sense of urgency. It hardly makes him reckless or irrational, especially when he can be seen trying to form a strategy.

@bold lol however you want to word it my friend

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[To Whatever]

People really need to stop arguing with shelke with it has anything remotely to do with Sasuke or someone Sasuke has fought...

 

[WalksInShadows]

@bold lol however you want to word it my friend

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i'm not going to address the summit matter anymore because you're obviously intent on cherry picking facts.

As far as those Minato scans goes, i got news for you: you haven't proved a thing...

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The manga shows that the Raikage always looked liked even when he wasn't bloodlusted, so i'm not wording anything any kind of way.

 

[Mellanoma]

i'm not going to address the summit matter anymore because you're obviously intent on cherry picking facts.

As far as those Minato scans goes, i got news for you: you haven't proved a thing...

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The manga shows that the Raikage always looked liked even when he wasn't bloodlusted, so i'm not wording anything any kind of way.

Remember the op. Starting to talk in circles

 

[shelke]

you're still wrong, because the only fights he was angry in were 3, and only in 1 of them was he arguably irrational. The fight with Minato isn't one of them, because he fought that one with a sense of urgency. It hardly makes him reckless or irrational, especially when he can be seen trying to form a strategy.

Which is why he was apologizing to Bee? He only went for the strategy when he got saved the first time. So, yes, that is stupid. Very stupid, in fact. He charged stupidly into things in most of the fights. Let's not give clear cut things any more spins than necessary.

People really need to stop arguing with shelke with it has anything remotely to do with Sasuke or someone Sasuke has fought...

Oh, hi, Laura. Is that 'neutrality' based, cheap gimmick still ongoing?

 

[To Whatever]

Which is why he was apologizing to Bee? He only went for the strategy when he got saved the first time. So, yes, that is stupid. Very stupid, in fact. He charged stupidly into things in most of the fights. Let's not give clear cut things any more spins than necessary.



Oh, hi, Laura. Is that 'neutrality' based, cheap gimmick still ongoing?

It's not really neutral if you dislike both...

The Logan wave is over fam. Kendrick drops in april. Its cornrow kenny time, kid.

 

[Guntah]

Susanoo would've protected Sasuke. Raikage's strongest attack Liger bomb wasnt enough to completely take away Susanoo so I don't see the kicking killing Sasuke.

That's not a good argument when the Raikage managed to get through that same Ribcage Susanoo just a bit later in that fight, even if he lost an arm for it.

 

[Guntah]

That's a nice, idiotic argument you have got there: it's not in the manga, so, you are incapable of disproving it. I suppose prior visual evidence didn't sink in nor the plain English I wrote then. But, I forgot, you can't wrap your head around comparative clauses, anything else would, obviously, be beyond you. And of course, it will be BS to you. Isn't that a new trick from you?

Its all in the eye of the beholder. What you see evidence, I see bullshit.

And, you know, attacking my english won't really do anything for you in this discussion. I mean, you can't speak portuguese, can you?

What are you talking about? A chop is simply a movement with a hand. I am talking about his combo with Onoki. I could say, "read the manga," but the statement that, "I don't care either way, yo," kinda makes it pointless.

Then why bring it up? All you're proving is that Ohnoki's technique doesn't take away someone's sheer power despite making them lighter, and that is not really relevant to the discussion of "backhand vs leg drop"...which really, is not even what this is about anymore.

 

[shelke]

Its all in the eye of the beholder. What you see evidence, I see bullshit.

And, you know, attacking my english won't really do anything for you in this discussion. I mean, you can't speak portuguese, can you?

No, it actually would. As basic dialogues appear to be beyond you. Like I said, hiding behind interpretations does not save your argument. It just makes this whole thing look sad.

Good for you, I speak three languages and English is not even my first language. It's actually my third. Kinda shameful for you, no?

Then why bring it up? All you're proving is that Ohnoki's technique doesn't take away someone's sheer power despite making them lighter, and that is not really relevant to the discussion of "backhand vs leg drop"...which really, is not even what this is about anymore.

You obviously have no idea what Onoki did. He increased his speed by several times, actually.

 

[WalksInShadows]

Which is why he was apologizing to Bee? He only went for the strategy when he got saved the first time. So, yes, that is stupid. Very stupid, in fact. He charged stupidly into things in most of the fights. Let's not give clear cut things any more spins than necessary.

dude, you are the last person to be telling anybody to not spin clear cut facts, particularly because you actually believe the Raikage couldn't destroy Sasuke with his leg drop lol

 

[kiiro]

I think he is great ninja.

Why would he wait to think when is the fastest ninja?

He can defeat his enemy in less than second.

Look what happened to Juugo. He is like Tsunade, she uses her regeneration to be able hit an attack. She receives the attacks and then counter. She uses her advantages to attack.

Raikage does the same, his raiton armor is a shield so there is no reason to step back and his speed make him attack first and blitz.

He focuses in his advantages. With Sasuke he was clearly not thinking because it was he who trapped his brother.

 

[shelke]

dude, you are the last person to be telling anybody to not spin clear cut facts, particularly because you actually believe the Raikage couldn't destroy Sasuke with his leg drop lol

Is that 'LOL' an argument changer? Clear cut facts ... from your fictional scenario that doesn't exist in the manga?