Ay was a terrible shinobi

[AlphaMaleLion]

I disagree, he fought on par with ms v2sauce.
That is above normal kage level.
MS V3 Sasuke would kill him with Susanoo.

 

[Nick01]

Lol, ofcourse you would respond to the Naruto comments rather than the main topic.

SM Naruto can easily be defeated by Genjutsu alone without the Kyuubi's assistance.

MS Sasuke>SM Naruto. Gaara, Temari, & Kankuro, who seen Amaterasu, Enton, & Imperfect Susano'o (chapter 464), told Naruto what happened at the summit, & after facing Sasuke himself, Naruto stated that he needed the Kyuubi's power to fight him. Obviously feeling/knowing SM isn't enough. This/the next page.

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Isn't that obvious? I could care less about the current topic, and didn't feel like making an input regarding it. However if someone tries downplaying my boy like that, I'm not gonna sit idly by.

SM Naruto doesn't need his eyes to fight, so Genjutsu will definitely not work.
Notice how I said Exp SM Naruto, not the one who fought against Pain. Btw Sasuke also wanted and was proven to need Itachi's eyes to be able to compete against Naruto. Had he not done so, he wouldn't have been much use in the war. :sdo:

Exp. SM Naruto>Exp. MS Sasuke.

 

[Guntah]

I suggest you stop flip-flopping and bring in some facts; how is GD more powerful than LB? Where is the canon image to prove that? Got anything to match?

I'm not flip-flopping, I'm using logical reasoning. Really, why would a backhanded strike of your arm be more powerful than leaping into the air and bringing all your weight down into a kick? I mean, really, c'mon. Do you actually need a manga scan to explain you why one thing would f*ck you up more than the other?

 

[Mellanoma]

At the bold, Dude get off your high horse. This is just a debate on a forum and if you feel the need to act so smug get a friggin life. You proved nothing other than the fact that Raikage was emotional when attacking sasuke. The cloud believed sasuke killed bee and they must have loved him deeply as they were all upset, evidenced by team 7's meeting with Karui and Omoi.

Sure he was somewhat reckless against minato but he still used tactical thought and once again his opponent was Minato who was pretty much untouchable due to FTG trumping 95% of any ninja's arsenal. Minato also rushed an opponent while getting emotional and paid dearly for it when attacking juubi jin madz. Doesn't make him any less of a person than he was.

You contradict yourself in this...

Minato also rushed an opponent while getting emotional and paid dearly for it when attacking juubi jin madz. Doesn't make him any less of a person than he was.

I already said this in a previous comment however Raikage ALWAYS act before thinking it through. Every fight he's been in he has acted wrecklessly before analyzing the situation.


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[shelke]

I'm not flip-flopping, I'm using logical reasoning. Really, why would a backhanded strike of your arm be more powerful than leaping into the air and bringing all your weight down into a kick? I mean, really, c'mon. Do you actually need a manga scan to explain you why one thing would f*ck you up more than the other?

Show me where GD appears to be or is even mentioned to be more powerful than LB. Show me where? I couldn't care less about your logic. You are the same guy who failed to produce a single scan of SM Naruto being even half as fast as Hebi Sasuke. So, I remember your logic.

 

[Styles]

Ikr lol. Now these fodders posting memes since manga disagrees with them.

 

[Mellanoma]

Kumo was the most powerful and influential village from at least the series' start going into the 4th Great Shinobi War, so he was a man who would've and should've been Raikage. You conveniently left out scans that show why the Raikage had every reason to be angry at the summit, and that he not only managed to figure out the basic concept of FTG without any prior knowledge of the technique, but was also prepared to figure out which kunai Minato was going to jump to if there was a pattern.

This is why I said he was wreckless and irrational everytime he fought.

 

[shelke]

Ay didn't look like a lost link between a gibbon and a neanderthal every time he fought?

 

[Mellanoma]

What world do you live in where swinging your arm in a chopping motion is more effective than jumping high into the air and slamming down a kick onto someone?

Not exactly true in the Narutoverse

Especially since Third Raikage's strongest attack was a finger poke

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[shelke]

Not exactly true in the Narutoverse

Especially since Third Raikage's strongest attack was a finger poke

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That and when Ay was lightened by Onoki and his speed was increased, he still used a chop attack to break open Madara's bones version Susanoo.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

can't believe some sasuke fans are still butthurt over sasuke being manhandled by the raikage.

it ended in a draw due to gaara get over it.

Both Ay and Bee kicked MS Sasuke's weak ass lol. No wonder Sausage faps are still salty.

 

[Guntah]

Show me where GD appears to be or is even mentioned to be more powerful than LB. Show me where? I couldn't care less about your logic. You are the same guy who failed to produce a single scan of SM Naruto being even half as fast as Hebi Sasuke. So, I remember your logic.

Alright, I can see that to you common logic does not apply. I mean, the physics involving Sasuke dodging the explosion of a flying bird shaped clay bomb do, but not common logic. No, that has no space in your Narutoverse.

 

[Guntah]

Not exactly true in the Narutoverse

Especially since Third Raikage's strongest attack was a finger poke

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That sounds like a bad comparison when he's using chakra to mould a spear of lightning around this finger....

 

[shelke]

Alright, I can see that to you common logic does not apply. I mean, the physics involving Sasuke dodging the explosion of a flying bird shaped clay bomb do, but not common logic. No, that has no space in your Narutoverse.

Look above and stop posting your version of events. Face it, you always have an agenda. Being a Naruto fan, you just can't help it.

 

[Guntah]

Look above and stop posting your version of events. Face it, you always have an agenda. Being a Naruto fan, you just can't help it.

"Having an agenda" doesn't really make me any less right, you know?

 

[shelke]

"Having an agenda" doesn't really make me any less right, you know?

Didn't I show you this scan when we had that discussion about Hebi Sasuke being much faster than SM Naruto and you claimed that the whole thing was an asspull?

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And here you are again, saying this:

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It was a good fight.

Also, one of the greastest asspulls in the series....but a good fight.

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Author told us Sasuke has no chakra yet he summoned a giant snake. Deidara's statement was also never corrected in the aftermath, leaving this unresolved. Thus, plot hole.

Though some people often chose to blatantly ignore that...and if it makes them feel better, I see no harm.

You really think you have everyone fooled, when I have seen this laughable attitude from you time and time again? Yes, you do come with an agenda. Always and it doesn't make you right, it makes you more wrong and more comical. Look at you now, I and Mellanoma just posted facts up there that even at an "insane" level of speed where Onoki lightened him to an "unthikable" degree, he still went for a ****ing "chop." Along with the hell-stab one, and you just ... handwaved them away as they don't add to your agenda.

You haven't produced one evidence to counter this claim, other than some baseless BS about momentum, when Onoki lightening Raikage would produce an insane amount of it, and he still didn't use a tech you believe to be more powerful than LB. And I will ask you again: where is your proof for this claim? Produce it. But sincerely, I don't expect you to budge. Why? That's how you people roll. It is useless to bicker with a Naruto-die-hard.

Everything aside, It was cleared up in manga that naruto said that because he sensed indra in sasuke and didn't know about ashura in himself. It was cleared up when naruto met hogoromo. You can read that again if you want. So naruto was clearly referring to sasuke's potential not the actual MS sasuke. Because if you think blind tired exhausted MS sasuke is stronger than fresh SM naruto then you need help.
OT: Ay was a fine shinobi. He was going for revenge against sasuke and that was his most reckless fight. Sasuke himself did the same thing and went emo on everyone he encountered when he was going after revenge on konoha. What's your opinion on that? Besides that one fight, Ay was fine.

Yeah, it was:

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Yup, he was really talking about Indra everywhere.

 

[Mellanoma]

That sounds like a bad comparison when he's using chakra to mould a spear of lightning around this finger....

lol what? Raikage wraps his limbs in chakra before he attacks as well. I responded based off of your comment.

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Show me a scan of Raikage not using chakra in his attacks

 

[YellowFang]

Nope, he was a badass...

 

[Styles]

For what reason are these Naruto fans mad for? :wut:

 

[shelke]

For what reason are these Naruto fans mad for? :wut:

They are mad and stupid. Not a very good combination.