Ay was a terrible shinobi

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Raikage would've lost a leg, Sasuke would lose most of his torso.
If that fight continued sasuke would have been dead. A at the time thought sasuke had killed Bee he was motivated by revenge.
You both are idiots. If shunshin blitz failed you think slowed down kick would? Lol but lets say it do, i highly doubt he had enough momentum aiirborne to get through enton spikes to kill sasuke that had enough mass to skew through juubi wood release. At best he injures is minor
 
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You both are idiots. If shunshin blitz failed you think slowed down kick would? Lol but lets say it do, i highly doubt he had enough momentum aiirborne to get through enton spikes to kill sasuke that had enough mass to skew through juubi wood release. At best he injures minor injures.
One chop of his hand damn near broke ribcage Susano, you think Guillotine wouldn't have finished it? Stop the denial, we both know that kick, had it landed, would've decimated Sasuke.
 
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Punching and blitzing seemed to donhim just fine
He beat sasukes ass into the ground....literally
He could of end up dead in the exchange but sasuke was definitely going to die if gara didn't intervene.Best scenario for raikage he would of had no legs or just one leg.


But gaara wasn't trying to sacrifice a kage for the kill

You also forget he was the under the assumption Bee was dead
Also if he was that much of a liability to the village he would be dead already.

You took his character and the scenes was in completely out of context
 

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His successor was an intelligent and well rounded leader. There's a reason Darui was called his right hand. Him and C I believe. Despite his rashness he was a capable leader with those two around.

Any rashness was towards Sasuke because he tried to kill his brother and was an enemy with Akatsuki ties.
 

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MS Sasuke>SM Naruto. Gaara, Temari, & Kankuro, who seen Amaterasu, Enton, & Imperfect Susano'o (chapter 464), told Naruto what happened at the summit, & after facing Sasuke himself, Naruto stated that he needed the Kyuubi's power to fight him. Obviously feeling/knowing SM isn't enough. This/the next page.



Everything aside, It was cleared up in manga that naruto said that because he sensed indra in sasuke and didn't know about ashura in himself. It was cleared up when naruto met hogoromo. You can read that again if you want. So naruto was clearly referring to sasuke's potential not the actual MS sasuke. Because if you think blind tired exhausted MS sasuke is stronger than fresh SM naruto then you need help.
OT: Ay was a fine shinobi. He was going for revenge against sasuke and that was his most reckless fight. Sasuke himself did the same thing and went emo on everyone he encountered when he was going after revenge on konoha. What's your opinion on that? Besides that one fight, Ay was fine.
 

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He does use strategy, he did against sasuke with his 3 man squad and he did against Madara.

His fighting style is very rash but its worked for him. He is hot headed, but he definitely knew what he was getting himself into against sasuke.
 

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I disagree, sure he was hot headed and irrational but he definitely was broken and were it not for plot armor to protect everyone he'd 1 shot almost 99% of most ppl in the NV. And also even if he would've lost his leg sauce would've lost his life in the exchange, guillotine leg drop would've no doubt severed or broken his neck.
 

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Punching and blitzing seemed to donhim just fine
He beat sasukes ass into the ground....literally
He could of end up dead in the exchange but sasuke was definitely going to die if gara didn't intervene.Best scenario for raikage he would of had no legs or just one leg.


But gaara wasn't trying to sacrifice a kage for the kill

You also forget he was the under the assumption Bee was dead
Also if he was that much of a liability to the village he would be dead already.

You took his character and the scenes was in completely out of context
Points you mentioned further intensifies what I put in the OP. Irrational actions due to emotion. terrible trait.

@Bold lol what is your understanding of the scenes then?
 

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can't believe some sasuke fans are still butthurt over sasuke being manhandled by the raikage.

it ended in a draw due to gaara get over it.
Which is funny cause the very next chapter sasuke surpassed raikage. I like how kishi made sure sasuke never test out susanoo prior to the fight. :rolleyes:

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One chop of his hand damn near broke ribcage Susano, you think Guillotine wouldn't have finished it? Stop the denial, we both know that kick, had it landed, would've decimated Sasuke.
LOL i knew you werent so bright but this dumb? He only cracked susanoo because he was in top speed v2. The faster he run the harder he hit. That is why onoki weightless raikage to hit madara susanoo. There is no denial. You're lame ass just need to read the damn manga for once and know how physics work. :rolleyes:

Shunshin blitz dmg >->> airborne gullotine

Gaara saved Ay not the other way around.
 
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Points you mentioned further intensifies what I put in the OP. Irrational actions due to emotion. terrible trait.

@Bold lol what is your understanding of the scenes then?

You kidding me ? Lol
As if nobody has ever acted out of emotion in this series ? Lol
Your argument doesn't have a single leg to stand on lol

Even after this debacle he was appointed surpreme commander of the entire alliance. Lmao

Nice try though
 

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LOL i knew you werent so bright but this dumb? He only cracked susanoo because he was in top speed v2. The faster he run the harder he hit. That is why onoki weightless raikage to hit madara susanoo. There is no denial. You're lame ass just need to read the damn manga for once and know how physics work. :rolleyes:
...I think you need to go back and read the chapter, dude. I mean, either that or you just need to get your head off your ass. Maybe both.
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Both blows are done with little to no prior momentum in the same form of the lightning armor. In fact, one is a follow up to another. The question in the end is whether you really think swinging your arm horizontally at something is stronger than leaping into the air and bringing your leg down on the person along the momentum of gravity? I mean, I'm no manga physics genius, but I'm willing to say the Guillotine is slightly ever so stronger, and if the arm chop alone was enough to break through V1's defences...well, I think you can guess what would've happened to Sasuke.
 

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I disagree, sure he was hot headed and irrational but he definitely was broken and were it not for plot armor to protect everyone he'd 1 shot almost 99% of most ppl in the NV. And also even if he would've lost his leg sauce would've lost his life in the exchange, guillotine leg drop would've no doubt severed or broken his neck.
Re-read the bold. this thread isn't about how strong he was. It's about how he lacks the credentials to be a great shinobi and Kage.

...I think you need to go back and read the chapter, dude. I mean, either that or you just need to get your head off your ass. Maybe both.
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Both blows are done with little to no prior momentum in the same form of the lightning armor. In fact, one is a follow up to another. The question in the end is whether you really think swinging your arm horizontally at something is stronger than leaping into the air and bringing your leg down on the person along the momentum of gravity? I mean, I'm no manga physics genius, but I'm willing to say the Guillotine is slightly ever so stronger, and if the arm chop alone was enough to break through V1's defences...well, I think you can guess what would've happened to Sasuke.
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Gaara's Sand > Susanoo + Guillotine Drop durability
 
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...I think you need to go back and read the chapter, dude. I mean, either that or you just need to get your head off your ass. Maybe both.
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Both blows are done with little to no prior momentum in the same form of the lightning armor. In fact, one is a follow up to another. The question in the end is whether you really think swinging your arm horizontally at something is stronger than leaping into the air and bringing your leg down on the person along the momentum of gravity? I mean, I'm no manga physics genius, but I'm willing to say the Guillotine is slightly ever so stronger, and if the arm chop alone was enough to break through V1's defences...well, I think you can guess what would've happened to Sasuke.
:rolleyes: Even went as far to post the scans and still not see it. Raikages rate of speed did not stop then hit sasuke. He blitz to the side of sasuke with v2 (required speed to evade sasuke sharingan tracking) then chopped his rib cage. The panel of ays foot on the ground didnt mean he stop, he positioned himself by planting his foot that way to fully thrust arm. If he really stopped there would be no need for him to bring his arm up prior to the "stop". No he is clearly taking adantage of his shunshin momentum. Your logic would only make sense if the speed ay built up followed the same direction he is going to kick even in the air. But obviously that is not the case. He goes forward then comes down. His acceleration drops thus the impact of his attack do as well... Gravity momentum can increase speed but it takes much more distance and higher above velocity to build that up but even if it did it still pales to the speed when he is running. And you can't say it's assumptions. Lightweight raikage proves faster momentum = harder hits. And sasuke survives his top speed.


The kick speed is so slow that sasuke had the time to not only react but make his enton turn into spikes when previously he couldn't. Like seriously that's at best v1 speed. Lol

Shunshin chop. >>> drop kick
 
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