Also, I would like to point out something about Kisame VS Gai. When Hirudora hit Kisame, it wasn't a direct hit. Hirudora had to over come Kisame's attack to reach him. So, we can't use Kisame as an example to say that Raikage can tank Hirudora.
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No I already explained in that last post. Read it...Why was Madara unable to retaliate during all that? Why didn't he force Gai to dodge his attacks? Why was it when Gai positioned for Hirudora, that was Madara's only chance of striking with his staff?
It's just like FT said, you basically see both characters striking and reaction speed in a CQC situation.
You didn't explained anything. What does Madara not trying to attack Gai has anything to do with Gai's reactions?
That's because Gai was continuously throwing attacks at Madara and he was dodging them. It just proves that Gai's striking speed is too fast. It has nothing to do with his reactions.
Once again 7th gate Gai has 0 reaction feats against Madara.
You definitely didn't read my analysis. It's clear and easily understandable/
Madara not trying to attack Gai? Proof? Because he did try afterwards
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Once again, Please read my last analysis.
Why did Gai have the chance to throw continuous attacks? I already explained that Gai reacts fast enough to deliver other strikes after his previous ones got blocked.
A- Gai strikes
B- Madara blocks
C- Gai strikes again before Madara gets the chance to retaliate. Madara doesn't have the chance to retaliate because Gai reacts fast enough to prevent Madara from attacking
Very simple.. Madara had an intent to attack as I showed with how he threw the Gudodama afterwards and how he even struck AT with his staff.
Once again, it's very clear. Understand it.
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This summed it up perfectly. Exactly what i keep trying to say uselessly
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If Madara was pressured by his striking speed what in the world makes you think Ei won't get hit with the one 2 buckle my shoe?
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I believe that it's worth pointing out that Kisame, while he survived Hirudora, was rendered nearly immobile for a period of time. Guy could have easily finished the job right then and there, but he didn't because the Alliance needed to collect intel off of him. If Guy lands a Hirudora on Ay, he could hypothetically survive it. However, he would subsequently be killed. Let's not mistake Ay for the Third Raikage; one is much faster, while the other is much more resilient. We all know which trait belongs to who.
I'm not saying Ay(or Minato for the matter) can react to his striking speed. I'm saying however that 7th gated Gai can't physically blitz him(while going from point A to B). If anything, the contrary is possible as far as i'm concern
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Actually he can Gai got from point A-B nearly instant.(
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). Judging by the look on Madara's face when Gai appeared in front of him he was moving faster than the speed of Minato im talking about in a foot-striking speed combo. If Madara was even shocked this much in a Juubi Jin state Ei has no chance of dodging him in foot speed or in striking speed.Considering Ei v2 speed couldn't even surprise Edo Madara.
What I understand from this post is either you didin't read my post or didn't grasp what I was trying to tell u.
I did read it and it changes nothing. The fact that Madara was blocking his attacks which proves that Madara was reacting to Gai's attacks. It seems like you are not aware of the fact that blocking an attack is also comes under the category of reaction. He just couldn't get the opportunity to throw an attack at Gai as was randomly throwing attacks at Madara.
Once again it means that Gai has god like striking speed. I'll explain as easily as I could. See there is no reaction without action. In case of Madara and Gai, Gai attacking Madara is considered as action and Madara blocking his attacks is considered as reaction as he did it in response to Gai's attacks. Madara never took action against 7th gate Gai in the first place to think that he has reaction feats against Madara.
Very simple.. Madara had an intent to attack as I showed with how he threw the Gudodama afterwards and how he even struck AT with his staff.
I'd suggest you to learn the meaning of reaction before replying again. I am not going to respond if you repeat the same thing again.
Nope...It's truly the other way around
Bro are you even serious with this response? Not to be rude but arguing something clear is ridiculous.
Madara blocked his attack but why couldn't he retaliate? Why? Juubito blocked Minato but retaliated by striking back while Minato was slow to react. Madara had no chance to retaliate because it was a mixture of striking and reaction speed. If not, Madara would have had an opening to attack.
Lol stop ok?
Whether or not he has godlike striking speed, his reaction was involved in all that as long as Madara didn't have an opening to attack let alone touch him. Notice that within all that, Gai made contact twice with his attacks. It's impossible that there weren't any reactions from Gai in all that when he got his attacked blocked and when Madara had no opening to strike. Very easy Lmaoo.
I don't care..You failed completely to understand yet look silly arguing something that's very clear. Not trying to be disrespectful but really? You have the guts to say this? You're in no position at all.
Kishi supports this as he even shows that one's ability to react with a strike shows their reflexes in a CQC situation. Yet I'm here explaining this to a wall
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You think reaction speed is only shown when one is attacked? Don't you know preventing the attack from coming also shows it?
Gai showed consecutive strikes forcing Madara to block showed his reaction speed since Madara couldn't find an opening to attack Gai. How can't one understand this?
You complain about being ignored but yet don't look at other replies before you reply? Madara had the ability to sense so this doesn't help your argument as not being able to see doesn't matter here as a blind Madara was taking on different opponents via sensing alone. Upon becoming a Jin, Obito could sense Amaterasu building up in Sasuke's eyes..Something he couldn't do before or he won't have been hit by it in their previous encounter while he had the mask.
Not to mention. Madara could still sense before so it's irrelevant. As you get closer or as someone gets closer to you, you sense them coming closer and closer
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and yet we have Gai leaving a sensor of such caliber surprised in the bottom left of the scan with Raw foot speed alone
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Flip to next page and you'd see Gai just got there in the top right
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Precisely. These people all fail to understand that reflexes go hand and hand with everything. Regardless if it's physically counter striking, evading/eluding, or blocking. Regardless if it's foot/travelling speed, body speed, or striking speed. Offensively or defensively. It all essentially comes down to reaction and reflexes.
Gai pushing back Madara showcased his reflexes.. Physically travelling at that speed, keeping track of Madaras movements, adjusting his entire body in different positions, punching/kicking, all in one super fast motion. That all boils down to reflexes. Madara backing up and counter striking once he got the chance, again, reflexes. Not that hard to grasp.
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Well i'm not going to enter another long debate about it. I already argued too much about it and at this point i just prefer not wasting my time, especially when it's already hard for me to express the entirety of my opinion in English. If other one like Roronoa Zoro or MR want to continue i'll just leave them going at it and try to give my insight when i can to support the person in question. The majority isn't always right, but it's useless to fight against the majority
What's bad is how you're wrong but yet still think you're correct. Yet you make it seem like we're the difficult ones because we convinced the Majority in previous thread before this.
So this is your reply? Your response to a post that you're CLEARLY wrong at? Madara could sense so this opinion you can't express of Madara not being able to see through the stream is invalid Bogard...Why argue this?
Zoro here can't even understand the definition of reaction speed and I'm pretty sure English isn't always the case. Do you believe reaction speed is only when one is attacked? No. It's not like I'm even arguing this with you as we've gone back and forth before. My reply to you was concerning Madara not being able to see but you're wrong at that. Simple.
Only thing I can tell u at this point is 'Please learn the difference b/w action and reaction'.
What you don't understand is the simple fact that there will be no reaction without action. If you understand this then you'll get what I was trying to tell u.Minato trying to attack Madara = Action. Madara quickly responding and attacking him back = Reaction. Not even hard to understand.
If Madara tries to attack Gai and Gai realizes it and hits Madara before Madara's attack can hit him then it's called reaction. No matter how quickly Gai attacks Madara, If he didn't do that in response to Madara's action then it is not considered as reaction. It is considered as action not reaction. Simple as that.
I don't remember saying that striking your opponent is not considered as reaction but when you didn't do that in response to your opponents attack/action then it's not considered as reaction.
Let me tell u this:
Action involves: Attacking your opponent/striking him/Throwing an attack at him.
Reaction involves: Defending from opponent/Dodging/Countering the incoming attack/ Attacking/striking your opponent back when he's trying to attack you. (Bold part is important as this is where action and reaction differs from each other when it comes to striking)
Look at your own data book page. Kisame is about to pull his sword to attack him and Gai quickly reacted to him and attacked him. Gai did it in response to Kisame's action. And that's what I have been trying to tell u.
Once again attacking your opponent without giving openings means that you have good striking speed. I can throw a 100 punches at my opponents face without giving an opening but that doesn't mean that I can quickly react to an incoming attack from him. If you ever been in fights before then you'll understand it.
reaction
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Ya I don't even understand the meaning of 'in response to'Lol
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You're in no position to say this once again.
4th Page and here I am trying to explain to this guy the situation. All this is irrelevant when I've explained to you and here you are telling me this Lol.
Irrelevant as you still don't get the point.
ONCE AGAIN, Gai response after he got blocked was with a strike which prevented Madara from responding to his strikes. Which didn't give a Jin an opening at all. 4th Page and I'm still explaining this thing to this guy.
And when you get your attack blocked/Dodged
- If you're opponents is unable to respond before you pull out your next attack, then that's considered as a reaction.
- Kisame struck Gai but Gai's response was with a strike
- Minato tried to attack Madara, Madara'd reaction was with a strike.
- Madara had no opening to attack because Gai reacts fast enough to deliver other strikes and also reacts faste enough with his movements to engage Madara putting his on the defensive and unable to respond with his own attacks. Madara's striking speed is very high but didn't have a a chance to strike when Gai makes movements like this(Note not contact was made during this situation)
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How is it only striking speed when his movements as well didn't create an opening?
Hahah this guy isn't seeing properly let alone understand ? You'd see there that Kisame blocked against Gai's attack which is clear as day. How is he about to pull it put when it's already out?
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and then we have that page here where he's blocking
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Now you're very wrong which should be clear. Not to mention, you even contradicted yourself..You said Gai quickly reacted to him and attacked him. In other words, you're saying Gai quickly reacted to him with an attack preventing Kisame from attacking. Why is this different from Madara's case since he had no opening to attack while Gai was reacting to him attacks?
Clearly wrong but arguing for the fun of it.
After you contradicted yourself? Lol. First off, Gai didn't only react with striking speed or he won't have been in those 2 positions I showed you.
Your argument of 100 punches or whatever is irrelevant when Gai only showed his striking speed twice so no it wasn't a continuous attacks of punches..You'd have a point if it was but that wasn't really the case. What we saw was mostly movements and only 2 strikes
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but the rest was mainly movements as Gaara even makes reference to this. So it's his bodily movements overall which also involves his reactions.
You know the funniest part of this? The bold. Did you see in response to one's action? Because that's not the only case which I keep telling you. Madara had an intent to attack Gai but didn't have an opening to respond to Gai because Gai kept responding before he could attack Gai.
Why did Kishi highlight Kisame while he was blocking? Tell me I'll wait. After all, Kisame wasn't striking or attacking? He had his sword out already? He was blocking but didn't have the chance to attack? You're wrong.
Lol knows a section of it but thinks he knows the whole thing. Laughable Lol
At least you tried.
