Ay vs Darui, Asuma, Temari, Kitsuchi and early part2 Kakashi

[pateuvasiliu]

No, early part2 Kakashi had only 4. He got 4, 5 after the Pain arc.

Uhm no, Part 1 Kakashi had a 4 around the time of the 27th volume.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Uhm no, Part 1 Kakashi had a 4 around the time of the 27th volume.

Well anyways, he still is not fast enough to touch Ay.

 

[EliteKakashi]

No, early part2 Kakashi had only 4. He got 4, 5 after the Pain arc.

Databook 3 covers the start of shippuden through the Sasuke/Itachi fight.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Actually Ay could simply grab Kakashi's arm while he's trying to hit him with Raikiri and break it then finish him with a liger bomb which he isn't surviving, what can Kakashi possibly do? Ay is way out of Kakashi's league.

Except he's not capable of doing that at all. He would have done it against Sasuke if that was the case, but the speed enhancement of chidori combined with sharingan precog made his reaction time too fast for Ei to hit him. Lets not start making fanfiction here.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Kakashi can only react to V2 Ay if Ay doesn't kill him first. If Ay attacks anyone else Kakashi will Kamui Ay before he can charge up a shunshin again.

 

[EliteKakashi]

His V2 is reflexes are increased to the point where they are on par with Minato, he could easily do that. And just because he didn't do it doesn't mean he can't, he did liger bomb on Sasuke.

We're talking about v1 Ei. Not v2.

 

[genii96]

Temari's Fuuton still had minimal effects on Sandaime Raikage.

it cut him to pieces:|

 

[EliteKakashi]

No I'm talking about V2 because that's what he's going to use.

Maybe, maybe not. It's speculation.

 

[TheEvilOne]

it cut him to pieces:|

She wasn't alone.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Just like it is a speculation that Kakashi would use raikiri. I can play this game too.

Well, if the raikage starts rushing at him with his raiton armor, he's not going to just stand there and get hit. Sharingan precog by itself isn't enough to dodge...but adding raikiri would allow him to avoid the strike and attack at the same time. Not exactly a stretch for the greatest tactical mind in the manga to do that, eh?

 

[EliteKakashi]

I don't think you realize how fast Ay truly is.

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That was his shunshin combined with his V2, it was so fast that he appeared behind Sasuke without him noticing anything. He couldn't even dodge it or even block it, in order to counter it you literally need to have a jutsu with instant activation to defend yourself. Kakashi doesn't even have any defensive jutsus, his head will get chopped off by Ay's chop.

How many times do I need to clarify I'm talking about v1 Ei, not v2? I just did like 5 minutes ago, c'mon man..

I've already agreed in this thread that v2 Ei is too fast.

 

[EliteKakashi]

There's no point in talking about V1 Ay really, once the match starts he goes V2 and proceed to one-shotting all of team 2 indivudually.

The only time he's ever started off in v2 in a fight is Edo Madara. There's reason to question if he would here or not. Could make the "mindset is to kill" argument, but his mindset was to do that vs Sasuke as well.

Ei is a very cocky man. Unless you've given him reason to go to v2, he won't, at least that's not how his character has acted in the series.

 

[TheEvilOne]

How many times do I need to clarify I'm talking about v1 Ei, not v2? I just did like 5 minutes ago, c'mon man..

I've already agreed in this thread that v2 Ei is too fast.

Kakashi isn't as fast as V1 Ay :|

 

[EliteKakashi]

Kakashi isn't as fast as V1 Ay :|

Never said he was.

I guess you didn't read Minato vs Ay's fight where he also starts off using V2.
You're restricting Ay's V2 because you know they don't stand a chance, well guess what, this is an imaginary match-up so he can use whatever the hell he wants. He's fighting 5 opponents at the same time including Kakashi, that's a good enough reason for him to use V2, just deal with it.

He didn't use v2 vs Minato period. Note how his hair is

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You're getting awfully worked up over something so simple. It's no big deal man, just a friendly discussion. I'm not trying to restrict anything. Hell, I'm not even saying that the fight will start by him straight up rushing Kakashi. It probably wouldn't, as he's aware of

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. I'm simply pointing out if he did try the same method that he used on Sasuke, he would be killed.

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

Idk cause A might just speed blitz them

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Um.... what? Team Jounin takes A apart

I refuse to believe with all of the huge jutsu all of them can do that one of them won't send Ay flying. Giving them all the chance to attack and maybe even a risky kamui. Either way, they take this easily IMO.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Once Ay takes Kakashi out what can they possibly do to him? Easily? You're vastly underestimating Ay. They'd be lucky to even lsoe with mid diff

I'm seriously not, i'm a big A fan too- I just really can't believe that even if it's a speed blitz (which really shouldn't even be a phrase considering how limitless and broken Kishimoto has made speed in the Naruto world) that one of them couldn't get an attack on him. He can only hit one enemy at a time and Kakashi's sharingan must be able to somewhat keep up with him. Kurotsuchi has a jutsu that stops A's speed entirely and leaves him a sitting duck and Darui's black panthers are HUGE. I personally don't believe even A can fight against so many skilled opponents with so many types of attack coming from all directions.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

read my post in this thread where I explain how fast V2 Ay is, Kakashi won't even be able to do anything let alone keep up with him, hell he probably won't even be able to keep up with V1 Ay, V2 is out of question. Lightening armour will negate the effect of black panther. He has bijuu chakra reserves and his lightening armour protects him from almost any attacks, they really don't stand a chance.

Eugh, yeah fair enough- what you're saying isn't wrong and you've clearly thought this through pretty well but man I hate speed-blitzing. It makes any character who is slightly fast on this site seemingly godly. The title of this thread sounds plain silly and if this was an actual fight that happened in the anime, A would definitely lose. Speed is just one of those things that can be abused in a debate just like amateresu and totsuka blade.

 

[Shikamaru101]

I think A wins this one. Since the Intent is To Kill, there is nothing stopping A from using V2 and speed blitzing everyone. I don't think Early Part 2 Kakashi would be able to keep up with him considering at that point, Kakashi's chakra reserves were not great, and Sasuke wasn't able to keep up with him. Raikiri may or may not pierce but in all honesty i think A can speed blitz them before they can do anything devastating.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Except he did, his hair didn't spike because he had a head band, furthermore he said he'd use his top speed.
It's still a speculation that raikiri could even pierce his lightening armour, hell it probably couldn't.

It might have been his top speed at the time. Don't forget that was quite a long time ago, it's a possibility he hadn't developed his v2 yet. The only way we can keep track of his "versions" is hair and speed. It took sharingan precog and chidori to avoid v1. Me and you agree, even with that, you can't avoid v2. Minato would have not been able to react to a v2 attack from the Raikage. He has no special precog abilities. You provided the scan yourself, not even Sasuke was able to notice that Raikage had even moved.

Chidori broke through the armor and very nearly pierced his heart. Raikiri is a more refined/powerful version. I don't see why it wouldn't.

Anyway, I'm off to bed. If you reply to this I'll respond back tomorrow. Take care.