[Discussion] Awakenings ? What do you think these guys awakenings will be
- Thread starter Dęvîa Puęrî
- Start date
Punk Hazard
Active member
Awards
How would it not be a power-up? The technique is as strong as the person who uses it. A Hashoken attack from Luffy would be stronger than a Hashoken attack from Sai because he's stronger than Sai. The same way Luffy's Soru was better/faster than Blueno's; the same way Zoro's Santoryu is stronger than the Santoryu that the Mandrill copied on Mihawk's island; the same way Fujitora's Observation Haki is better than Usopp's. Any new things to his arsenal would be a power-up, and they're related to how Luffy fights so, what's the problem?
Luffy is also stronger than the guards in Impel Down who used Awakening, so by this logic, couldn't I say it wouldn't be a power-up, just like those things wouldn't be a power-up because Luffy is stronger than the people who possessed it?
Dęvîa Puęrî
Active member
Uzumaki Macho
Active member
So Riker, do you also doubtthat Roger had CoC?
Lol wtf. He says that Luffy and Law won't have Awakening, and the one that you ask him about is Law?
Punk Hazard
Active member
Awards
Paramecia seem to affect the environment, which Law already does. With the nature of his fruit, I don't see much room for Awakening aside from the Perennial Youth Operation for Law.
No, because kingly figures who have high and significant dispositions of authority possess CoC. He's never shown it, but I don't doubt it because his status as Pirate King and being the father of Ace(it was hinted CoC is hereditary in Marineford) is more than enough to warrant him having Haoshoku. Luffy doesn't have the same level of warranty for Awakening.
I said I doubt it, not that Luffy and Law definitely won't.
Dęvîa Puęrî
Active member
I'm saying law because he's the oldest so he tech had time to develope it etc.... Also he seems to have gotten his earliest and developed his sickly body to peek condition for fighting
Besides law is my fav char
But I get what u mean because luffy main char etc..
Besides u heard what I said I'd rather luffy get to be haki King in all 3 elements (garp adarment reighlee King level and Enel observation of higher then them) I like how he uses his devil fruit now ..
Punk Hazard
Active member
Awards
Same here. I lean towards Luffy not having Awakening because that'd be so obvious and I think it'd be more interesting to see how Luffy adapts to that, especially through increasing his Haki. I'd rather see Luffy increase the strength of his current abilities rather than constantly hear about a new power and add it to his arsenal like it's Dragon Ball Z or Naruto. Haki and Gears are super cool already.
Dęvîa Puęrî
Active member
He didn't get the cp9 sky walk like thing .. Since u mentioned soru etc...
Rikudou Tobi
Active member
Dęvîa Puęrî
Active member
I thought it was stated every fruit had awakening it's just rare people tap into them ... So by fact both chars should have awakening (if I'm correct about the stating of every fruit.. I'm guessing lol)
But I see law if any of the worst trio gaining his awakening because he seems oldest (luffy being youngest kidd in middle) and had his fruit earliest (until Kidd is shown his law got his really early), so he had most time to develope it.. I like how law has made his body in peek condition (laws haki strong to cut through doffy's, when he was holding his sword, and have enough reaction speed to swap Sanji and rock from over heat etc) compared to being that sickly kid. And I feel luffy can do that with his haki and devil fruit.
Simpleatitsbest
Member
Now you're finally discussing with reasoning and some good reasoning to boot..
With regards to Luffy and Soru, I wouldn't say it was his innate ability that made him better than Blueno instantly, it was the mix with gear 2... And I hadn't thought that Luffy with the same ability would be better, but it's just not relevant to him, his fighting style is already unique to him because of his ability, and so far he's doing just fine with that, minus the variations in his DF states (awakening would be a perfect example for Luffy to have a power-up, because it's expanding on abilities he already has). For example, Zoro wouldn't now change to 2 axes, but might change his swords to better swords that fit his already well defined style.
And as for the demon guards, that would be sound logic, but there's someone more powerful (or on par) than him that has awakening, not to mention it's a potential evolution to an ability he already has.
I see what you did there =D, and that my thought with the Opi fruit too, does seem like an ultimate technique.
Well he kinda has with gear 4th, he flies about like a boss.
Last edited:
Punk Hazard
Active member
Awards
Nothing's changed between my first post and last.
The enhancement of Gear 2 allowed his body to keep up with the ability to use Soru, allowing him to outpace Blueno. Which just proves my point. It's not the technique, it's the person who's using it. Otherwise, Lucci, Luffy, Blueno, and Kalifa would all be the same speed.
How is it not? It's a martial art, he's a martial artist. They make close quarter combat better, Luffy uses close quarter combat moves. That's as relevant as it needs to be.
And Luffy couldn't make them unique to him in some form or fashion by combining it with his DF? Isn't that what he did with Soru
This proves my earlier point even further: It's not the ability but who has it. The fact that Doflamingo has Awakening and is stronger than the Zoan guards and their awakening is proof that Luffy can have Hasshoken or Burgess' shockwave blows or Okama Kenpo and it'd be a power-up because it'd be based on his strength and abilities, adding new shit to his arsenal that he didn't have before.
Uzumaki Macho
Active member
Luffy not gaining awakening would mean that he never fully masters his DF, which would make no sense.
Punk Hazard
Active member
Awards
Uzumaki Macho
Active member
Your Creepy Stalker
Active member
Awards
All DF would have some kind of awakening, otherwise it would be unfair. the conditions for awakening might differ
My guess as to why DF's awaken is when the user manages to master all the possible abilitys that the DF provides. Zoan users, like the impel down guard (and possible Choppers monster form) have the least real potential in their DF's, just a bunch of forms, so awakened zoans are relatively common. Paramecia's give a specific ability, which can be used in many different ways. most paramecia users don't use their full potential, but those who do (IE, Doflamingo) can do virtually anything using their power, and get an awakening. Logia's basic abilitys are so powerful that nobody really tries to get them stronger, but just hurl fire/lightning/ice/whatever at the enemy until they die, so we havent seen an awakened logia.
Law and Kidd don't particularly expand the uses of their abilitys, while Luffy constantly comes up with new ways to use his powers (Eg, gear 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and a bunch of one off attacks he never uses again). Luffy is most likely to get an awakening, and not just because of main character power.
Punk Hazard
Active member
Awards
Was this confirmed?
This doesn't make sense. There are weak DFs and strong DFs, so Oda certainly doesn't care about "fair." There are DFs that are naturally stronger to the others, so "unfair" doesn't play a role.
Tomato God
Active member
I mean this guy is dumb but honestly its not too far fetched to think a the main character would get an awakening a character who
- when he started his journey (grandline) the first saga's big baddy ,crocodile, (besides east blue) said how important control of a devil fruit is (and he lacked control over it)
- all his power ups are revolved around manipulating his body and its properties (Gears)
- In East blue was litterally saved so much by his DF that his biggest catch phrase for the first arc was , "because I am rubber"
And even more so the last arc ended on luffy getting over powered twice by two of the main antagoist (Fuji almost thwarting his escape and luffy gettting thrased by doffy and having to be saved by side characters) the bigger of the two telling him he lacks control of his fruit and then just straight up showing off an advanced control over a fruit technique to put him down would totally motivate him to master it for the up coming yonko fights.
Just my two cents though
Your Creepy Stalker
Active member
Awards
Whether a DF is weak or not pretty much depends on how creative the user is. Luffy being made of rubber was originally supposed to be useless, but Doflamingo begs to differ.
I still see no reason to think there would be some Devil Fruits that can't be awakened. (except maybe Logias, but that's only because we don't know how that would look.)
Tomato God
Active member
Assume crocodile (who claims to have mastered his fruit is awakened) then awakened logia's can force their elements wierder properties onto other things. Deserts have no water so touching a sand man takes all the water from you. But then water also becomes his weakness because he stops being a "desert" once he has water on him. Black beard is darkness and darkness has nothing in it not even light so he can absorb everything but putting a light on him would also cancel out his powers.