[Discussion] At what difficulty can Roger defeat Admirals/Yonkos?
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Yeah it does. We have confirmed evidence that Kaido is inferior to semi prime or prime wb it's easy to connect the dots from there. Wb and roger were already hyped more than the avg top tier but getting the insight of a yonko only further validates that thinking. What you need a personal phone call from Oda telling you that prime wb is superior to an avg top tier? Oda makes certain things clear and doesn't need to straight up give power rankings for the readers to find out where these characters rank.
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In One Piece a lot of a characters standing is based on reputation, not just power and WB undoubtedly had the highest rep out of the Yonko
And instant hype in manga shouldnt be taken absolutely literally, every villain ever in manga gets an instant giant dose of hype because weekly manga just doesnt have time to set it up any other way, even if Kaido is the strongest man alive (which is likely) it doesnt mean he is the top combatant in OP, I think in his case strength is meant literal physical power ... there are things more broken than pure strength, many devil fruits are broken, haki may be broken, Kaido is the big thing now, even if the arc is about BM, Kaido seems to overarch the last few arcs, but after him we will get a fresh batch of uber hype about whoever comes next, be it the WG, the Navy, BB ...
What BM meant about WB in the last chapter was most likely based on reputation, WB and Roger had their emtire age to attain god tier pirate reputation, but we have a new generation now and there is no reason to think that the top dogs of today couldnt rival them, and imo Oda doesnt do "strongest character" because thats horrible and boring, just look at Madara, it will also be the same with Luffy, he wont just be the strongest character, BB will rival him, probably someone from the navy will rival him too, maybe a few others will too ... Law? Maybe Sabo? All i know that for OP to be a good story and stay interesting we need a tier of top ppl and not one definite strongest character
The point is yes ppl can rival the strongest character like garp and Wb to roger. And i never said any one cant outdo them in the future BB is most likely going to be the strongest pirate ever even more than prime WB and roger his potential is high. And currently the strongest is kaido see how oda adds in the " bet on kaido in a 1v1". But to say that all this hype is meaningless is not correct the author put it in there so we know the hierarchy. Roger and Wb in their primes still hasnt been reached by a current pirate, this is not a crazy idea whatsoever.
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Roger is overrating. Just because he's the Pirate King does not mean he's the strongest in the series although i believe he's the strongest in the series he's not going to med diff anybody on Akainu level plus.
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Delete your account. Shiki alone challenged Roger multiple times and lived through all their bouts. If the Gap between Roger and everyone else Bar WB was so huge how would he have any competition in the seas? And don't say he didn't because it's obvious he did.
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If 100 was Gol.D Roger then here is my list kinda.
I feel like people give the old gen to much credit. I understand that Roger was king of the pirates but he wouldn't be so far above the admirals in my opinion. He is by far the strongest but i dont think he was 10 stronger or even 5 times stronger the gap wouldn't be that big.
The Old Generation
Gol.D Roger: 100
Prime Whitebeard: 100
Prime Garp: 98
Prime Sengoku: 97
Prime Shiki: 95
Current Yonko
Kaido: 90-95 (Hype)
Shanks: 90-95 (Hype)
Big Mom: 90-92
Blackbeard: 85 (But clearly will get much stronger)
Old Whitebeard: 90
Admirals
Akainu: 95
Kuzan: 93
Issho: 92
Kizaru: 90
I feel like people give the old gen to much credit. I understand that Roger was king of the pirates but he wouldn't be so far above the admirals in my opinion. He is by far the strongest but i dont think he was 10 stronger or even 5 times stronger the gap wouldn't be that big.
The Old Generation
Gol.D Roger: 100
Prime Whitebeard: 100
Prime Garp: 98
Prime Sengoku: 97
Prime Shiki: 95
Current Yonko
Kaido: 90-95 (Hype)
Shanks: 90-95 (Hype)
Big Mom: 90-92
Blackbeard: 85 (But clearly will get much stronger)
Old Whitebeard: 90
Admirals
Akainu: 95
Kuzan: 93
Issho: 92
Kizaru: 90
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I dont think Prime Shiki was that high. He needed a fleet to challenge Roger, He immediately gave away PK title to WB without challenging him once and He lost to Luffy(if we consider Strong World canon since that's the last time we will ever see Shiki in OP).
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Why do you think Kizaru is the weakest Admiral? Current BB is stronger than BIG Mom so no.
You guys kidding me? Rayleigh even said he can handle two admiral levels on his prime casually and you think Roger will have a high diff against a one on one with any admiral alive in One Piece today? For me Roger can handle 3 admirals at the same time and still have a good laugh and enjoy the fight. Shinki coudnt even believe Roger got captured by the Marines when he heard the news of Roger's imprisonment. He said "Impossible! no one can defeat that guy!". Prime Roger and his crew alone would take the whole Marineford without the need of allies coming to him for aid and still win, thats how strong he is.
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This is some next level trolling
Why is kizaru so low lol. If you're including hype why are the yonko below admirals especially kaido doesn't make any sense. And there is no evidence that sengoku was above Shiki, Shiki was decently close to Roger and wb. Other than that the list is solid.
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Shiki and his fleet challenged Roger multiple times, you're assuming it was a one on one bout, so miss me with that. Being Pirate King took all of Roger's crew, in a one on one bought only one name has been said to have pushed Roger, which is WB. The only other person that gets the benefit of the doubt to rivaling Roger was Garp simply because of the statement Roger said about them two killing eachother. So delete your account idiot.
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Never said it was a 1 on 1 Im saying that Roger is on the same level as Admirals and Yonko he just slightly stronger.
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Let's put these characters in a tier system,
Within a tier it's extreme diff. either way result, between tiers, the gap between matters but the higher tier will definitely win.
I'd say either Roger or WB would individually beat tier 1 people high diff. at easiest and it could get a little extra harder with tier 0.8 people.
Note: Just a tentative placement, open to corrections. It's just for idea..
Tier 0:
- Roger
- Whitebeard
Tier 0.8:
- Garp
- Shiki
- Kaido
- Akainu
Tier 1:
- Shanks
- Big Mama
- Any Admiral
- Blackbeard
- Other Yonko/Admiral level individuals like Rayleigh, Mihawk, Dragon, etc...
Tier 0:
- Roger
- Whitebeard
Tier 0.8:
- Garp
- Shiki
- Kaido
- Akainu
Tier 1:
- Shanks
- Big Mama
- Any Admiral
- Blackbeard
- Other Yonko/Admiral level individuals like Rayleigh, Mihawk, Dragon, etc...
Within a tier it's extreme diff. either way result, between tiers, the gap between matters but the higher tier will definitely win.
I'd say either Roger or WB would individually beat tier 1 people high diff. at easiest and it could get a little extra harder with tier 0.8 people.
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