Asuma and Kurenai VS ER Neji and ER Sakura

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Asuma and Kurenai VS ES Neji and ES Sakura

Location: Asuma/Kurenai VS Itach/Asuma

Distance: 15m

Intel: Manga
 
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Byakugan has no Genjutsu Feat other than see if other people are under them, But Sakura easily wrecks Kunerai....Part 1 Sakura arguably breaks free of Kunerai's genjutsu. She can deal with her then engage Asuma, Neji wasn't really needed. Sakura's evasive Skills and Neji's Rotation is too much for Asuma's attacks, and he isn't engaging either in hand to hand combat.
But I'd say he got to Neji, if he wants to live, because sakura instantly kills him.
 

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What is ER?

ES , my bad lol.

Byakugan has no Genjutsu Feat other than see if other people are under them, But Sakura easily wrecks Kunerai....Part 1 Sakura arguably breaks free of Kunerai's genjutsu. She can deal with her then engage Asuma, Neji wasn't really needed. Sakura's evasive Skills and Neji's Rotation is too much for Asuma's attacks, and he isn't engaging either in hand to hand combat.
But I'd say he got to Neji, if he wants to live, because sakura instantly kills him.

Asuma shunshins and bashes her head in since she cant react to his blitz , she needs Neji to survive , early p2 sakura has mid chunin level reaction/reflex at bestmeanwhile kurenai who reacted to Itachi along with Asuma have jonin level reaction and faster body/shunshin speed than her.
 
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Byakugan has no Genjutsu Feat other than see if other people are under them, But Sakura easily wrecks Kunerai....Part 1 Sakura arguably breaks free of Kunerai's genjutsu. She can deal with her then engage Asuma, Neji wasn't really needed. Sakura's evasive Skills and Neji's Rotation is too much for Asuma's attacks, and he isn't engaging either in hand to hand combat.
But I'd say he got to Neji, if he wants to live, because sakura instantly kills him.
Kurenai doesn't need genjutsu to low diff Sakura. Kurenai's reaction time is far above this version of Sakura considering that , Kurenai manages to duck in response to Itachi's kunai slash ( ). Compare this to Sakura not even being able to even block Omoi's kick. Even after being put in a terrible stance from her previous duck, Kurenai still managed to react fast enough to cross her arms.

Even during the war arc, Sakura couldn't properly react to a surprise Zetsu attack. I'm pretty sure a kunai slash right after being put into a genjutsu counts as a surprise attack which is far faster than what Zetsu is capable of.

Speaking of striking speed, , then Omoi hops on top of Karui and kicks Sakura faster than she can complete her punch. On the other hand, Itachi's kick is about to reach Kurenai whereas her arms are still facing the ground yet she is still fast enough to cross both her arms before Itachi's kick reaches her chest. Overall Kurenai's kunai slashing speed should be far superior to Sakura's punching speed.

The databook 3 also backs my observations by giving Kurenai 1.0 higher in both speed and taijutsu (4.0 vs 3.0 in both stats).

OT: Neji can solo high difficulty.
 

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Kurenai doesn't need genjutsu to low diff Sakura. Kurenai's reaction time is far above this version of Sakura considering that , Kurenai manages to duck in response to Itachi's kunai slash ( ). Compare this to Sakura not even being able to even block Omoi's kick. Even after being put in a terrible stance from her previous duck, Kurenai still managed to react fast enough to cross her arms.

Even during the war arc, Sakura couldn't properly react to a surprise Zetsu attack. I'm pretty sure a kunai slash right after being put into a genjutsu counts as a surprise attack which is far faster than what Zetsu is capable of.

Speaking of striking speed, , then Omoi hops on top of Karui and kicks Sakura faster than she can complete her punch. On the other hand, Itachi's kick is about to reach Kurenai whereas her arms are still facing the ground yet she is still fast enough to cross both her arms before Itachi's kick reaches her chest. Overall Kurenai's kunai slashing speed should be far superior to Sakura's punching speed.

The databook 3 also backs my observations by giving Kurenai 1.0 higher in both speed and taijutsu (4.0 vs 3.0 in both stats).

OT: Neji can solo high difficulty.

How do u see Neji soloing? I do feel that by activating his tenketsu like wat he does for body-blow should negate genjutsu and the byakugan should be able to tell when genjutsu is about to be used since the chakra has to travel into the victim for them to be under its effects?
 

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How do u see Neji soloing? I do feel that by activating his tenketsu like wat he does for body-blow should negate genjutsu and the byakugan should be able to tell when genjutsu is about to be used since the chakra has to travel into the victim for them to be under its effects?
All ninjutsu activate tenketsu one way or another so if that works for body-blow it should work for other ninjutsu too. I'm not to knowledgeable about genjutsu though. The kai method should work as it takes time for Kurenai to bind her target. Neji can release the genjutsu before he gets bound.
 

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Kurenai doesn't need genjutsu to low diff Sakura. Kurenai's reaction time is far above this version of Sakura considering that , Kurenai manages to duck in response to Itachi's kunai slash ( ). Compare this to Sakura not even being able to even block Omoi's kick. Even after being put in a terrible stance from her previous duck, Kurenai still managed to react fast enough to cross her arms.

Even during the war arc, Sakura couldn't properly react to a surprise Zetsu attack. I'm pretty sure a kunai slash right after being put into a genjutsu counts as a surprise attack which is far faster than what Zetsu is capable of.

Speaking of striking speed, , then Omoi hops on top of Karui and kicks Sakura faster than she can complete her punch. On the other hand, Itachi's kick is about to reach Kurenai whereas her arms are still facing the ground yet she is still fast enough to cross both her arms before Itachi's kick reaches her chest. Overall Kurenai's kunai slashing speed should be far superior to Sakura's punching speed.

The databook 3 also backs my observations by giving Kurenai 1.0 higher in both speed and taijutsu (4.0 vs 3.0 in both stats).

OT: Neji can solo high difficulty.

But she still got hit, Both parties have intel, if you think Kunerai would try that with Sakura your mistaken.
Sakura's genjutu resistant differs from Itachi, who doesn't have genjutsu resistance, but genjutsu reflection and casting abilty.

In all cases in which she showed off this ability, she instantly broke free, even before it was active.
And what do you mean this level, at Part 1 Sakura's genjutsu level of detection was compared to an elite.
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Her ability seems to be that to see through Genjutsu. As she only ever actively broke free of the ones that physically try to disable her.

ES Sakura can read movement, that scan with Omoi wasn't a serious fight, and she wasn't with going for him, Sai was suppose to handle him. Also she was emotional she really has no killing intent.
Sakura reflexes and analytical skill are superior to Kunerai as shown in the manga, able to out maneuver various character faster than her

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And Sakura and easily react to Attacks from behind
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This is more faster than anything Kunerai has shown in the manga
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These to scans perferly prove my point, because all of the time, people those Sakura was under some kind of effect of something, and they ended up getting blitzed, the same goes to Kunerai, and I like Kunerai.

The fact the Kenrenai's genjutsu is obviously genjutsu make thi even more of a stomp for sakura
So Sakura low dif.

Asuma gets wrecked,
 

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All ninjutsu activate tenketsu one way or another so if that works for body-blow it should work for other ninjutsu too. I'm not to knowledgeable about genjutsu though. The kai method should work as it takes time for Kurenai to bind her target. Neji can release the genjutsu before he gets bound.

But those only activate tenketsu from specific areas , while my theory is similar to Jiraiya's method where chakra flow is stopped , then restarted in a burst. The chakra of the genjutsu user travels to the brain i think Byakugan's insight would see it , then neji could likely repel the hosts chakra with a concentrated body blow around the head , or could likely block the users chakra with a small chakra field or a focused expulsion.

But yea Kai works too , but i think its possible to negate the proccess fully.
 
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But she still got hit, Both parties have intel, if you think Kunerai would try that with Sakura your mistaken.
Sakura's genjutu resistant differs from Itachi, who doesn't have genjutsu resistance, but genjutsu reflection and casting abilty.
Kurenai only got hit by Itachi's kick when she was in no position to dodge from dodging Itachi's first kunai slash. On the other hand, Omoi hit Sakura on the first try yet a far superior Itachi couldn't hit Kurenai on the first try. Kurenai is clearly more skilled than Sakura in taijutsu prowess.
In all cases in which she showed off this ability, she instantly broke free, even before it was active.
And what do you mean this level, at Part 1 Sakura's genjutsu level of detection was compared to an elite.
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Her ability seems to be that to see through Genjutsu. As she only ever actively broke free of the ones that physically try to disable her.

ES Sakura can read movement, that scan with Omoi wasn't a serious fight, and she wasn't with going for him, Sai was suppose to handle him. Also she was emotional she really has no killing intent.
Sakura reflexes and analytical skill are superior to Kunerai as shown in the manga, able to out maneuver various character faster than her

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And Sakura and easily react to Attacks from behind
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This is more faster than anything Kunerai has shown in the manga
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These to scans perferly prove my point, because all of the time, people those Sakura was under some kind of effect of something, and they ended up getting blitzed, the same goes to Kunerai, and I like Kunerai.

The fact the Kenrenai's genjutsu is obviously genjutsu make thi even more of a stomp for sakura
So Sakura low dif.

Asuma gets wrecked,
I'm not talking about genjutsu in my post so I don't see why you keep on talking about it. Reacting to a bunch of sound genins is no where near as impressive as reacting to a kunai slash from Itachi.

How is a mere Zetsu clone anywhere near Itachi in any form of speed?

@neosmith500,

When Neji uses full body blow, he emits chakra from his chakra pores on his skin. There is no proof that the chakra in the brain is disrupted which is what is important.
 
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