Ashura's Side Can Awaken Rinnegan

[Ricardo]

Edo Hashirama and a dead body of Madara, still contained Indra and Ashura's chakra.. lol

By your logic Danzo and Obito should've unlocked the rinnegan aswell. Both of them had Uchiha eyes and Hashirama's cells within their bodies :|

 

[ANiMUS]

Edo Hashirama and a dead body of Madara, still contained Indra and Ashura's chakra.. lol



So can you show where the chakra absorbed by Mokuton is transfered to the user?? because i hope you know its not the same as preta path.. lol

chakra that makes the sharingan, doesn't come from the eyes but the brain:

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Chakra that makes Sharingan comes from the brain. Once the sharingan is formed the eyes possess power of their own otherwise the scan I presented wouldn't make much sense :sdo:

And if the chakra didn't go back to Hashi where else would it go.

Also, I am pretty sure the point is to permanently merge the two chakra signatures I don't think mere chakra draining techniques can do that. The only time I have seen an altering of chakra signature is when someone has received a transplant like Kabuto, or Sasuke.

 

[KingHashirama]

Chakra that makes Sharingan comes from the brain. Once the sharingan is formed the eyes possess power of their own otherwise the scan I presented wouldn't make much sense :sdo:

And if the chakra didn't go back to Hashi where else would it go.

Also, I am pretty sure the point is to permanently merge the two chakra signatures I don't think mere chakra draining techniques can do that. The only time I have seen an altering of chakra signature is when someone has received a transplant like Kabuto, or Sasuke.

Except it would, as the eyes also contain the chakra and the dna of Itachi uchiha. And the eye will contain that specific sharingan.

However, Rinnegan has nothing to do with Sharingan. But has to do with the Hagoromo's chakra directly. And its an entirely different dojutsu.


The chakra would get absorbed by Mokuton and strengthen it no? Especially when there are literally zero signs in the manga that Hashirama recieves the chakra that his structures absorb. Same with Wood dragon when edo madara was absorbing the bijuus chakra. It simply counters Preta Path's absorbing of chakra.

By your logic Danzo and Obito should've unlocked the rinnegan aswell. Both of them had Uchiha eyes and Hashirama's cells within their bodies :|

Neither of them possessed Madara or Sasuke's chakra aka Indra's chakra.

 

[ANiMUS]

Except it would, as the eyes also contain the chakra and the dna of Itachi uchiha. And the eye will contain that specific sharingan.

However, Rinnegan has nothing to do with Sharingan. But has to do with the Hagoromo's chakra directly. And its an entirely different dojutsu.


The chakra would get absorbed by Mokuton and strengthen it no? Especially when there are literally zero signs in the manga that Hashirama recieves the chakra that his structures absorb. Same with Wood dragon when edo madara was absorbing the bijuus chakra. It simply counters Preta Path's absorbing of chakra.



Neither of them possessed Madara or Sasuke's chakra aka Indra's chakra.

Ok so allow me to ask. If an Uchiha took a normal person's eyes would those eyes become a sharingan :sdo:

 

[KingHashirama]

Ok so allow me to ask. If an Uchiha took a normal person's eyes would those eyes become a sharingan :sdo:

before or after awakening the sharingan?

But let me ask you this question, is Indra's chakra only in Madara or Sasuke's eyes and not their entire body?? If its not.. then the sharingan isn't required for the rinnegan

 

[WalksInShadows]

well no duh. Black Zetsu told Naruto and Sasuke as much.

 

[Remedy]

People saying that you need dojutsu first to awaken are mistaken, no you don't, all you need is required chakra as the manga dictated. Kaguya didn't have it before eating the fruit, yet she recieved it, niether did Hago before becoming the juubi jin, yet he recieved it too. BZ specifically said he sought out both Senju and Uchiha to revive Kaguya, he wouldn't have sought out Senju if they didn't have the potential to awaken Rinnegan too.

 

[ANiMUS]

before or after awakening the sharingan?

But let me ask you this question, is Indra's chakra only in Madara or Sasuke's eyes and not their entire body?? If its not.. then the sharingan isn't required for the rinnegan

Doesn't really matter :| the fact that EMS happens means that the chakra within the characters can still cause changes within the eyes.

I would personally think that Indra's chakra is within the Uchiha's brain and eyes, not the body

So answer my question pls because I can prove that the Uchiha's eyes even before awakening sharingan are special :bdpf:

 

[wanderingcactus]

Did you even watch The Last movie?


It shows that in order to awaken a higher ranking doijutsu, you just need to combine them both. Since part 1, eyes have been implanted ~ ex: kakashi.

So duh.

 

[NarutoX28]

People saying that you need dojutsu first to awaken are mistaken, no you don't, all you need is required chakra as the manga dictated. Kaguya didn't have it before eating the fruit, yet she recieved it, niether did Hago before becoming the juubi jin, yet he recieved it too. BZ specifically said he sought out both Senju and Uchiha to revive Kaguya, he wouldn't have sought out Senju if they didn't have the potential to awaken Rinnegan too.

Most important thing.

Black Zetsu is not a dumbass and everything he had done had a purpose in the revival of Kaguya. Claiming how Ashura's side cannot awaken the Rinnegan is suggesting that Black Zetsu, the mastermind of everything is a dumbass which is not what the manga suggests.

Naruto never did awaken the Rinnegan as Hagoromo evenly distributed his power. Naruto received Hagoromo's chakra to allow him to obtain Rikudou Senjutsu and Sasuke obtained Hagoromo's chakra that was connected to Hagoromo's Rinnegan. Each possessed half of Hagoromo's Chakra, hence why each only awakened 1 power. With full chakra, you can expect both of the Transmigrants to have obtained both of the abilities. It's actually interesting how Pre-Jin Hagoromo was more Yang-dominant despite inheriting the Rinnegan whereas Hamura was more Yin-dominant despite inheriting Rikudou Senjutsu and this is shown through the seals and the fact that Naruto and Sasuke mostly reminded Kaguya or Hagoromo and Hamura respectively.

 

[KingHashirama]

Doesn't really matter :| the fact that EMS happens means that the chakra within the characters can still cause changes within the eyes.

I would personally think that Indra's chakra is within the Uchiha's brain and eyes, not the body

So answer my question pls because I can prove that the Uchiha's eyes even before awakening sharingan are special :bdpf:

The Ems happens because the chakra of the new user and the chakra of the other's eyes , combine. Thats why Sasuke still has his own powers, despite losing his eyes, did he gain Itachi's susanoo from Itachi's eyes?? nope.. So what technique of Itachi did he gain from the actual eyes??... The sharingan is a tool, that is powered by Sasuke's chakra. And before it becomes that tool, those eyes are pointless.

Sure feel free to prove it. But while you're trying to prove it.. answer my question, which has to do with the actual OP.

Is Indra's chakra inside Madara and Sasuke, limited to the eyes?

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Just stop it. No need to use Shadow clone logic...

Indra = Eyes of the sage
Ashura = Body of the sage

Madara transplanted Hashirama's cells and awakened the rinnegan.

If Hashirama transplanted Madara's cells he would awaken the senjutsu of the six paths.

It's common knowledge. pls.

Isn't six paths senjutsu from the Juubi or 9 tailed beasts or from Hagoromo himself :lol. I think Ashura transmirgrant can get the Rinnegan because Hagoromo said it happens when Ashura and Indra chakra is mixed. I see no reason why someone who already has the Ashura chakra can't just mix in some Indra chakra and activate Hagoromo's power(Rinnegan).

 

[NarutoX28]

By your logic Danzo and Obito should've unlocked the rinnegan aswell. Both of them had Uchiha eyes and Hashirama's cells within their bodies :|

C'mon, let's not use that kind of argument. We know Danzo and Obito only possessed the Uchiha's chakra, not Indra's.

 

[Ricardo]

C'mon, let's not use that kind of argument. We know Danzo and Obito only possessed the Uchiha's chakra, not Indra's.

But he's saying Sasuke awakened rinnegan with Hashi's cells. :|

 

[NarutoX28]

But he's saying Sasuke awakened rinnegan with Hashi's cells. :|

Databook goes against it, but with time, Sasuke could've obtained the Rinnegan through Hashi's cells as Sasuke possesses Indra's Chakra and Hashirama's cells possesses Ashura's chakra.

 

[Ricardo]

Isn't six paths senjutsu from the Juubi or 9 tailed beasts or from Hagoromo himself :lol. I think Ashura transmirgrant can get the Rinnegan because Hagoromo said it happens when Ashura and Indra chakra is mixed. I see no reason why someone who already has the Ashura chakra can't just mix in some Indra chakra and activate Hagoromo's power(Rinnegan).

Then why didn't Naruto awakened the rinnegan aswell ? : He received Hagoromo's chakra. :|

Ashura and Indra chakra = Hagoromo chakra

 

[NarutoX28]

Then why didn't Naruto awakened the rinnegan aswell ? : He received Hagoromo's chakra. :|

Ashura and Indra chakra = Hagoromo chakra

Because each Transmigrant received a half of Hagoromo's Power.

Sasuke received the Rinnegan, so Naruto obtained the other half of his power, Rikudou Senjutsu.

 

[KingHashirama]

But he's saying Sasuke awakened rinnegan with Hashi's cells. :|

Thats merely a part of what I was saying. Sasuke rinnegan is not a natural evolved rinnegan. Clearly he gained the rinnegan so fast, is because of the Yin power boost given by Rikudo. HOWEVER, you claimed why didn't Naruto get the rinnegan since he gained Hagoromo's chakra... and I said because he didn't have indra's chakra... while Sasuke actually had Ashura's chakra...

Aka, sasuke was attaining the rinnegan, because he had Ashura's chakra inside of him as well .. simply a matter of "when".


Unless you're telling me its a mere coincidence, that he was revived by using Hashirama's cells.. and then he unlocked the rinnegan, once boosted by the rikudou. So Hashirama's cells do play a part in it.. but he wouldn't have the rinnegan he has, if it weren't for Rikudou himself.

Naruto - got the yang

Sasuke - got the yin

Sasuke - revived because of the yang , now has yin + Yang

Naruto - Just yang, no yin.

 

[Ricardo]

Ok, do you guys know why we're having this long discussion ? Because ****ing Kishimoto doesn't know how to explain things properly and leaves misconception after misconception. smh
Plotholes everywhere.

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[Tantalus Thief]

Then why didn't Naruto awakened the rinnegan aswell ? : He received Hagoromo's chakra. :|

Ashura and Indra chakra = Hagoromo chakra

Hagoromo wanted to evenly divide the powers between the two so I guess that is why Naruto didn't get Rinnegan or Naruto needed to have actual Indra chakra to trigger the Rinnegan and the Hagoromo chakra just enchanced him (like it did with Kakashi, and Obito) Plus BZ said he observed Ashura descendants as well as Indra descandents to see if one of them could get the Rinnegan.

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BZ wouldn't bother with the Ashura tranmigrants if they couldn't activate it.