Ashura vs RSM Naruto.

[Lord of Akatsuki]

This is RSM Naruto doing the Kaguya fight.

Now, just for a specification, this is not a stomp in Naruto's favour, Ashura has the undiluted Yang Chakra of the Juubi from two different inheritance forms, one being from Hagoromo as the host of the Juubi, and two being from the Chakra fruit.
That means he has the Chakra of the Ten Tails, just like Naruto has Chakra of the Nine Tailed beats, explains why he has the Gudoudama's as shown here.

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Not only that, but Ashura's Battle Avatar appears far stronger, larger and more complete than Naruto's own BM sort of BA mode he activated during the VOTE2.

Ashura and Indra are both the literal halves of Hagoromo, their halved Chakra is undulated compared to Naruto and Sasuke's. That implies that they might have been stronger. Key word implied, there's still the fact that Sasuke had the Rinnegan whereas Indra didn't, though it is easy to say that Indra's MS was on an entirely different level than Sasuke's.
Anyway, I got of track here, this is a battle between Ashura and Naruto after all.

Just to note, both Naruto and Sasuke were noted as having half of Hagoromo's power here.

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Problem is that the version of Hagoromo that gifted them their powers is weaker than the Hagoromo that sired Indra and Ashura.

I'd like to know everyone's thoughts on this matter. Begin!

 

[KidGamer65]

Naruto=Half of Hagoromo's power+Buttload of Nature Energy.

Asura=Not even half of Hagoromo's power.

Naruto wins. Easily.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Naruto has a superior sage mode gifted to him by Ashuras daddy.
Nine-tails jin along with every other bijuu, and the best ninjutsu in the manga.

What will Ashura do?:bdpf:

 

[Sennin of Logic]

No, Ashura and Indra's chakra is not stronger, or at least, is unlikely to. Naruto's Ashura avatar is clearly stronger. Ashura stalemates a Rikkudo Susanoo. Nauto, on the other hand, has the capability to overwhelm it completely. If you're using the "undiluted logic" for Hagoromo's chakra, then I'll use the fact that the new bijus were formed from Kaguya's and not the juubi's chakra, meaning the other half of Kurama has the possibility of having an insane buff.

 

[Ken Kaneki]

Ashura ; Power level and techniques unknown
So can't say if he had SM or not
How great were his Chakra reserves etc. So can't predict anything

 

[Xlad]

Ashura gets Madaraed.

 

[Conspirator.]

Naruto shits on Ashura.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Naruto=Half of Hagoromo's power+Buttload of Nature Energy.

Asura=Not even half of Hagoromo's power.

Naruto wins. Easily.

Your right yet wrong at the same time.
Ashura and Indra were both halves of Hagoromo's power. Though I remember neither having the Yin and Yang seals, which by right puts Naruto and Sasuke above them both.

 

[V h o]

Ashura is featless though

 

[Chaosmark101]

Your right yet wrong at the same time.
Ashura and Indra were both halves of Hagoromo's power. Though I remember neither having the Yin and Yang seals, which by right puts Naruto and Sasuke above them both.

Well Indra didn't have Hagoromo's doujutsu (Rinnegan)
so you can't exactly say he had half his power.

 

[New Dawn]

Naruto Is Ashura.

 

[Omar19992010]

Ashura and Indra didn't get half of Hagoromo's powers because if that was the case Indra would have Rinnegan and Ashura would have full on RSM Mode.

From what we know Indra had some form of Sharingan and Ashura had a much weaker version of Naruto's RSM.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Well Indra didn't have Hagoromo's doujutsu (Rinnegan)
so you can't exactly say he had half his power.

Rinnegan isn't even half of Hagoromo's power, its both powers. Sasuke has a little bit of Yang along with his Yin, thus why he has one Rinnegan.
Its the same for Naruto, he has a bit of Yin mixed in with his Yang that grants him the Gudoudama.

Ashura and Indra didn't get half of Hagoromo's powers because if that was the case Indra would have Rinnegan and Ashura would have full on RSM Mode.

From what we know Indra had some form of Sharingan and Ashura had a much weaker version of Naruto's RSM.

Ashura did have the Senjutsu of Six Paths (RSM), in fact, his appears far more complete than Naruto's own.

Come now, we all know that pure Juubi Chakra exceeds normal Tailed Beast Chakra. Indra is obviously the weakest link out of the two sons of the Sage, from what is known and has been shown, Ashura seems a lot more powerful than his brother.
Ashura's BA mode looks far more complete than Naruto's does, it also has more markings, now don't know if you remember, but the stronger Naruto got, the more markings he had.
Ashura was even shown with the same Chakra mode as Naruto, minus him not being a Jin.

 

[Scryed]

Rinnegan isn't even half of Hagoromo's power, its both powers. Sasuke has a little bit of Yang along with his Yin, thus why he has one Rinnegan.
Its the same for Naruto, he has a bit of Yin mixed in with his Yang that grants him the Gudoudama.



Ashura did have the Senjutsu of Six Paths (RSM), in fact, his appears far more complete than Naruto's own.

Come now, we all know that pure Juubi Chakra exceeds normal Tailed Beast Chakra. Indra is obviously the weakest link out of the two sons of the Sage, from what is known and has been shown, Ashura seems a lot more powerful than his brother.
Ashura's BA mode looks far more complete than Naruto's does, it also has more markings, now don't know if you remember, but the stronger Naruto got, the more markings he had.
Ashura was even shown with the same Chakra mode as Naruto, minus him not being a Jin.

Indra and Ashura are not halves of Hagoromo's power but they did inherit their chakra from Hagoromo who inherited his own from Kaguya. So I wouldn't be surprised if they both were powered by Rikudou chakra.


Saying Indra is a weak link is ridiculous since we don't know what he's capable of. For all we know, he could've had access to all MS techniques so Ashura could've needed RSM to reach his level.

I do think he had RSM based on the Gudodama that he uses but his avatar is smaller than Naruto's. I doubt he had the chakra of the other Bijuu since apparently, his own chakra bloomed overtime.

Though Ashura won the war for succession, both of them ended up destroying each other in battle.



Indra and Ashura couldn't have inherited halves of Hagoromo's power when Ashura was literally born with nothing as Hagoromo stated while Indra was born with power and was some kind of prodigy. Even then, he inherited the Sharingan not the Rinnegan.


Naruto and Sasuke where literally given two halves of Hagoromo's power (RSM/Rinnegan) on top of the power they already had (parts of 9 Bijuu/Sharingan).

I doubt Indra and Ashura were at their level.

 

[Scryed]

Rinnegan isn't even half of Hagoromo's power, its both powers. Sasuke has a little bit of Yang along with his Yin, thus why he has one Rinnegan.
Its the same for Naruto, he has a bit of Yin mixed in with his Yang that grants him the Gudoudama.



Ashura did have the Senjutsu of Six Paths (RSM), in fact, his appears far more complete than Naruto's own.

Come now, we all know that pure Juubi Chakra exceeds normal Tailed Beast Chakra. Indra is obviously the weakest link out of the two sons of the Sage, from what is known and has been shown, Ashura seems a lot more powerful than his brother.
Ashura's BA mode looks far more complete than Naruto's does, it also has more markings, now don't know if you remember, but the stronger Naruto got, the more markings he had.
Ashura was even shown with the same Chakra mode as Naruto, minus him not being a Jin.

A way to awaken the Rinnegan is by having both Indra and Ashura's power but Sasuke only has Indra while beeing given the Rinnegan.

Hagoromo's power doesn't only revolve around the Rinnegan when he gave Naruto RSM as well.

If anything, his power might very well be Rikudou powered Rinnegan and Rikudou powered Sage Mode don't you think?

Afterall, he has Gudoudama as well.

 

[KidGamer65]

Your right yet wrong at the same time.
Ashura and Indra were both halves of Hagoromo's power. Though I remember neither having the Yin and Yang seals, which by right puts Naruto and Sasuke above them both.

When was that said? Hagoromo only said that they inherited his chakra. There's no way that they'd inherit all of Hagoromo's chakra, cause then he'd have none left, just like when he gave his power to Naruto and Sasuke. But even then, the VoTE boosts put them far above Indra and Ashura even if they were halves of his power. Yin and Yang seal don't add to their power. It's only a sealing jutsu w/ extra abilities.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Indra and Ashura are not halves of Hagoromo's power but they did inherit their chakra from Hagoromo who inherited his own from Kaguya. So I wouldn't be surprised if they both were powered by Rikudou chakra.


Saying Indra is a weak link is ridiculous since we don't know what he's capable of. For all we know, he could've had access to all MS techniques so Ashura could've needed RSM to reach his level.

I do think he had RSM based on the Gudodama that he uses but his avatar is smaller than Naruto's. I doubt he had the chakra of the other Bijuu since apparently, his own chakra bloomed overtime.

Though Ashura won the war for succession, both of them ended up destroying each other in battle.



Indra and Ashura couldn't have inherited halves of Hagoromo's power when Ashura was literally born with nothing as Hagoromo stated while Indra was born with power and was some kind of prodigy. Even then, he inherited the Sharingan not the Rinnegan.


Naruto and Sasuke where literally given two halves of Hagoromo's power (RSM/Rinnegan) on top of the power they already had (parts of 9 Bijuu/Sharingan).

I doubt Indra and Ashura were at their level.

They are.

All MS techniques sounds bad ass and op, but yeah, it isn't as powerful as the Rinnegan.

Ashura's Chakra is the Yang Chakra of the Juubi, the reason why it bloomed is because as it normally is with Yang, he had to work hard to unlock his true powers.
We don't know the outcome of Ashura and Indra's battle.

No, Hagoromo merely thought Ashura inherited nothing from him, he was disapproved when Ashura managed to unlock his Yang half through hard work. That's what the power bloomed in him means, it means he unlocked his Senjutsu of Six Paths.
Indra's Sharingan was a mutation (diluted) of the Rinnegan, because he didn't have Ashura's powers.


Nay, actually, Sasuke was gifted with even more power than Naruto was, as stated by Hagoromo himself, Sasuke also had Hashirama's cells, which is why some of Hagoromo's Yang half reacted with his Chakra and allowed him to awaken the Rinnegan.

A way to awaken the Rinnegan is by having both Indra and Ashura's power but Sasuke only has Indra while beeing given the Rinnegan.

Hagoromo's power doesn't only revolve around the Rinnegan when he gave Naruto RSM as well.

If anything, his power might very well be Rikudou powered Rinnegan and Rikudou powered Sage Mode don't you think?

Afterall, he has Gudoudama as well.

No, Sasuke has Hashirama's cells within him, Hagoromo stated he gave Sasuke more power than he did Indra. Hagoromo's Chakra reacted to the small amount of Sasuke's Yang cells and, together with Sasuke Yin, granted him the Rinnegan in one eye.


The Rinnegan is split between two powers, Yin and Yang. Naruto's Senjutsu of Six Paths is actually a halve of the Rinnegan's power.


No, the Rikudou's power is the Rinnegan, which is split between Yin and Yang (RSM). It should be noted that for the Rinnegan to awaken you need the Sharingan, which is actually a part of the Sage's power.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Ashura is featless. but it's implied naruto surpassed him.

 

[ARGUS]

Naruto is basically a superior version of Ashura,
its pretty clear that he wins this,

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

^
This was indeed a mismatch, I forgot alot of information, that I remembered in my most recent post.

No, Sasuke has Hashirama's cells within him, Hagoromo stated he gave Sasuke more power than he did Indra. Hagoromo's Chakra reacted to the small amount of Sasuke's Yang cells and, together with Sasuke Yin, granted him the Rinnegan in one eye.

Bold, this is proof that both Naruto and Sasuke are superior to Ashura and Indra.

When was that said? Hagoromo only said that they inherited his chakra. There's no way that they'd inherit all of Hagoromo's chakra, cause then he'd have none left, just like when he gave his power to Naruto and Sasuke. But even then, the VoTE boosts put them far above Indra and Ashura even if they were halves of his power. Yin and Yang seal don't add to their power. It's only a sealing jutsu w/ extra abilities.

Hagoromo's Chakra was split in half, Yin to Indra and Yang to Ashura. Inheriting Chakra is different then being granted Chakra.
To gain the Rinnegan, you first have to combine both halves of his powers, otherwise referred to as Indra and Ashura's Chakra. It was directly stated in the Manga, the Stone Tablet also said so, though it was altered, I doubt that BZ had a reason to change that little bit of info.

Yin and Yang seals are a symbolisation that Naruto and Sasuke were granted more power.
And actually, they do come with more powers than your giving them credit for. The seals had a unique Chakra that were mistaken for both Hagoromo and Hamura's Chakra.
Hamura and Hagoromo (before becoming a Jin and gaining both seals), are the current benchmark for Naruto and Sasuke.
And Kaguya's sons are more powerful than Hagoromo's sons.