[Discussion] Ashura vs Indra: Cooperation vs Dictature!

[NaruSasuRival]

Hello folks!

I realize that the only interesting thing left on this forum is character power analysis. As I was reading some thread, I realize also that many people (on both Naruto and Sasuke fandoms) do not understand what Kishi meant. Specifically, most Sasuke fanboys think Ashura and his reincarnation are actually those who kicked ass only because they had borrowed powers. However, looking carefully into these two groups - Ashura vs Indra - one can realize that if anyone either used borrowed power, it was Indra. To see that, read the following:

1. Two Avatars


(1) Indra has an avatar called Susanoo.
(2) Ashura has an avatar with unknown name.

Now, some Indratards think Ashura got his avatar from Kyuubi. However, they actually ignore that Madara, and now Sasuke have always used Bijus chakra to boost their avatar - Susanoo. so here is the first question:

Knowing that normal Uchiha only had chakra susanoo, and the only time both Madara and Sasuke had scaled Susanoo (PS looking) was when they merged Susanoo with Kyuubi, how can you prove that they can naturally have PS?

To be clear, what I am saying is that both Madara and Sasuke obtained PS only after merging susanoo with Kyuubi once. In addition, I think it is reasonable to understand that both children had the potential to have their own avatar, especially Ashura because Ashura was always shown shrouded in chakra cloak.

2. Weak Indra?

Yeah, it is true that Indra was a genius in Nijutsus/ninshu in his early age, but nothing say that he was actually stronger than Ashura. If we look at the data we have so far, Indra's side has always been running away from their weakness to seek new source of power. I think Indra did the same time in his time after witnessing some crazy growth in Ashura. Madara did the same, and Sasuke also did the same. Basically,

Indra and his side have always been weak, and seeking power to prove themselves. Unfortunately, they cannot surpass Ashura and his descendant, and their only hope is to admit it.

3. Cooperation vs borrowin(stealing)

Yeah, the true message Kishi wanted to convey, and the true meaning in Hagoromo's word about Ashura and Indra are:

(a) Ashura and his reincarnation are always satisfy with whatever power they get. They also knows their true potential and always work to discover themselves. They prefer to collaborate with people without robbing other's power or trying to possess the power that others have.

(b) On the other hand, Indra and his reincarnation are covetous and jalous people. They are always trying to get what others have, or trying to stand in the stand of others. The whole leadership fight is actually Indra trying to control people he never gathered.

4. The Last nail

Now, I am going to plug the last nail once and for all. Before I do that, I want anyone to understand this:

4.1 Beastly Ashura

- In part 1 and 2, Naruto never fight Sasuke with Kyuubi's power unless Sasuke used a power that was similar. That is, Naruto using Kyuubi power in VOTE was a response to Sasuke using the curse seal of heaven. This is just how I can prove that Indra and his reincarnation are the one who are seduced to borrow power.

- Hashirama never used external power against Madara. This is just how powerful Ashura is.

- Also, from Ashura's reincarnation (all of them) we can see that Ashura's power is actually diverse, and we may not actually know all of it. It is obvious that with their large pool of chakra and life force (Hashirama is my evidence), they can perform any jutsu they want, and they are almost immortal.

4.2 Borrwoer Indra

As I said above, Indra cannot do anything without borrowing. The power of the Sharingan is the evidence of this.

- three tomoes sharingan is simply weak. After this, Ashura and his reincarnation can still grow as we saw with Hashirama. However, Indra is locked unless he take some eternal power to mutate his sharingan.
- I give the emo to Indra to unlock MS, but we all know that to have MS for a long time, he need external power - either someone else's MS, or a piece of Ashura's power. I bet there are other think that play the same role - aka Biju chakra, etc.
- To get Rinnegan, Indra, Madara, etc need Ashura's chakra.

5. Conclusion

Contrary to what people think, the power borrower, the one who cannot grow without plucking others' eyes, or forcing bijus is Indra, and also his reincarnation. They never tried to measure their own capacity as Itachi said to his fellow clansmen. On the other Hand, Ashura and His reincarnations, though they may grow slowly, once they get on the road, they become unstoppable. In fact, anyone should have seen now that Kyuubi is not Naruto's power. Rather, Naruto's power is his body and will. Without Naruto, Kyuubi is a fodder, but Naruto is the one who actually makes the Kyuubi look strong.

Next chapter, after Naruto put Sasuke + 9 biju down, I would like all the Sasuketards to shut their mouth. Besides, even without waiting for that, Hashirama asks all of you to shut your mouth, and Naruto tells you that Kyuubi was a curse to him, and lest he dominate him, he would be in hell right now.

Picture:

Indra --> External emo --> MS --> External source --> EMS (otherwise he goes blind)--> external source --> Rinnegan
Ashura --> Ashura --> Ashura -->Ashura.

PS: Naruto is an odball in Ashura's lineage. Without Kyuubi, Naruto can still kick Sasuke's ass with sage mode and his immortal body. In fact, wood justus stomp everything in the verse.

 

[WazzY Kage]

Uhhhhh! Well.....

 

[Nagi]

Dude madara already achieved PS before even that hidden leaf village was created. Which is why that battle lasted 24 hours before he fall to his back.

 

[Nagi]

Man, this is a failed thread that i don't even know where to start. But then again you probably did it for attention. Trying to get a rise out of the uchiha fans?

 

[PlatinumTitan]

Dude madara already achieved PS before even that hidden leaf village was created. Which is why that battle lasted 24 hours before he fall to his back.

The Hidden Leaf village was created before the first appearance of Madara's PS. Show me a scan proving that he had it before he and Harashima fought at the final valley.

 

[FreeTanner17]

Hello folks!

I realize that the only interesting thing left on this forum is character power analysis. As I was reading some thread, I realize also that many people (on both Naruto and Sasuke fandoms) do not understand what Kishi meant. Specifically, most Sasuke fanboys think Ashura and his reincarnation are actually those who kicked ass only because they had borrowed powers. However, looking carefully into these two groups - Ashura vs Indra - one can realize that if anyone either used borrowed power, it was Indra. To see that, read the following:

1. Two Avatars


(1) Indra has an avatar called Susanoo.
(2) Ashura has an avatar with unknown name.

Now, some Indratards think Ashura got his avatar from Kyuubi. However, they actually ignore that Madara, and now Sasuke have always used Bijus chakra to boost their avatar - Susanoo. so here is the first question:

Knowing that normal Uchiha only had chakra susanoo, and the only time both Madara and Sasuke had scaled Susanoo (PS looking) was when they merged Susanoo with Kyuubi, how can you prove that they can naturally have PS?

To be clear, what I am saying is that both Madara and Sasuke obtained PS only after merging susanoo with Kyuubi once. In addition, I think it is reasonable to understand that both children had the potential to have their own avatar, especially Ashura because Ashura was always shown shrouded in chakra cloak.

2. Weak Indra?

Yeah, it is true that Indra was a genius in Nijutsus/ninshu in his early age, but nothing say that he was actually stronger than Ashura. If we look at the data we have so far, Indra's side has always been running away from their weakness to seek new source of power. I think Indra did the same time in his time after witnessing some crazy growth in Ashura. Madara did the same, and Sasuke also did the same. Basically,

Indra and his side have always been weak, and seeking power to prove themselves. Unfortunately, they cannot surpass Ashura and his descendant, and their only hope is to admit it.

3. Cooperation vs borrowin(stealing)

Yeah, the true message Kishi wanted to convey, and the true meaning in Hagoromo's word about Ashura and Indra are:

(a) Ashura and his reincarnation are always satisfy with whatever power they get. They also knows their true potential and always work to discover themselves. They prefer to collaborate with people without robbing other's power or trying to possess the power that others have.

(b) On the other hand, Indra and his reincarnation are covetous and jalous people. They are always trying to get what others have, or trying to stand in the stand of others. The whole leadership fight is actually Indra trying to control people he never gathered.

4. The Last nail

Now, I am going to plug the last nail once and for all. Before I do that, I want anyone to understand this:

4.1 Beastly Ashura

- In part 1 and 2, Naruto never fight Sasuke with Kyuubi's power unless Sasuke used a power that was similar. That is, Naruto using Kyuubi power in VOTE was a response to Sasuke using the curse seal of heaven. This is just how I can prove that Indra and his reincarnation are the one who are seduced to borrow power.

- Hashirama never used external power against Madara. This is just how powerful Ashura is.

- Also, from Ashura's reincarnation (all of them) we can see that Ashura's power is actually diverse, and we may not actually know all of it. It is obvious that with their large pool of chakra and life force (Hashirama is my evidence), they can perform any jutsu they want, and they are almost immortal.

4.2 Borrwoer Indra

As I said above, Indra cannot do anything without borrowing. The power of the Sharingan is the evidence of this.

- three tomoes sharingan is simply weak. After this, Ashura and his reincarnation can still grow as we saw with Hashirama. However, Indra is locked unless he take some eternal power to mutate his sharingan.
- I give the emo to Indra to unlock MS, but we all know that to have MS for a long time, he need external power - either someone else's MS, or a piece of Ashura's power. I bet there are other think that play the same role - aka Biju chakra, etc.
- To get Rinnegan, Indra, Madara, etc need Ashura's chakra.

5. Conclusion

Contrary to what people think, the power borrower, the one who cannot grow without plucking others' eyes, or forcing bijus is Indra, and also his reincarnation. They never tried to measure their own capacity as Itachi said to his fellow clansmen. On the other Hand, Ashura and His reincarnations, though they may grow slowly, once they get on the road, they become unstoppable. In fact, anyone should have seen now that Kyuubi is not Naruto's power. Rather, Naruto's power is his body and will. Without Naruto, Kyuubi is a fodder, but Naruto is the one who actually makes the Kyuubi look strong.

Next chapter, after Naruto put Sasuke + 9 biju down, I would like all the Sasuketards to shut their mouth. Besides, even without waiting for that, Hashirama asks all of you to shut your mouth, and Naruto tells you that Kyuubi was a curse to him, and lest he dominate him, he would be in hell right now.

Picture:

Indra --> External emo --> MS --> External source --> EMS (otherwise he goes blind)--> external source --> Rinnegan
Ashura --> Ashura --> Ashura -->Ashura.

PS: Naruto is an odball in Ashura's lineage. Without Kyuubi, Naruto can still kick Sasuke's ass with sage mode and his immortal body. In fact, wood justus stomp everything in the verse.

Ashura was the kyuubis jinchuuriki and the fact that people try to deny it is just plain stupid considering that the avatar we saw of his looks exactly like narutos new kyuubi avatar. And sasuke had scales on his susano'o after he got the rinnegan

 

[PlatinumTitan]

Ashura was the kyuubis jinchuuriki and the fact that people try to deny it is just plain stupid considering that the avatar we saw of his looks exactly like narutos new kyuubi avatar. And sasuke had scales on his susano'o after he got the rinnegan

ACtually we don't know if he was a jinjuuriki. I won't deny it, but Kurama has said nothing about it.
And they actually look a lot different. Ashura's avatar had a more human-like head. Naruto's looks like Kurama's snout LOL

 

[NaruSasuRival]

Dude madara already achieved PS before even that hidden leaf village was created. Which is why that battle lasted 24 hours before he fall to his back.

When discussing Ashura vs Indra, you should never put Madara vs Hashirama in it, because if you do, Indra become a sore loser. In all this duel, Hashirama is my reference to prove that Ashura is greater than Indra. In fact, the analogy is plain. Hashirama's body was the same has the Shinju tree while Madara had part of the fruit (the sharingan without the circles).

This is how Kishi did. One has the body while the other had the part of the eye. It was proven that Hashirama had all the power of the Shinju tree itself and I believe it is the same for Naruto and Ashura. Besides, go read the story of Madara very well to see how he kept running away and look for more power.

On topic, Madara obtain his first solid susanoo when he wrapped susanoo around Kyuubi, and it was the same for Sasuke. Besides, we know that Sasuke received Naruto and Kyuubi's chakra before he even pull that Susanoo.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

Ashura was the kyuubis jinchuuriki and the fact that people try to deny it is just plain stupid considering that the avatar we saw of his looks exactly like narutos new kyuubi avatar. And sasuke had scales on his susano'o after he got the rinnegan

You have no evidence that he was, and there are fact that shows that Ashura's avatar was just like Susanoo with an animalistic form. Also, you need to understand that Ashura's avatar and Kyuubi cloak are not the same. There are ribs in Ashura's avatar, and you will stop calling people stupid when Naruto shows it.

Just look at Hashirama's buddah to see that Kyuubi is fodder. Besides, have you asked yourself this:

Why the real Kyuubi is has no lines and the avatar has marking all other its body? Why does Naruto's avatar has the six marks on Naruto's face? Why is it glowing while Bee and Octopus were plain octopus?

 

[Nagi]

When discussing Ashura vs Indra, you should never put Madara vs Hashirama in it, because if you do, Indra become a sore loser. In all this duel, Hashirama is my reference to prove that Ashura is greater than Indra. In fact, the analogy is plain. Hashirama's body was the same has the Shinju tree while Madara had part of the fruit (the sharingan without the circles).

This is how Kishi did. One has the body while the other had the part of the eye. It was proven that Hashirama had all the power of the Shinju tree itself and I believe it is the same for Naruto and Ashura. Besides, go read the story of Madara very well to see how he kept running away and look for more power.

On topic, Madara obtain his first solid susanoo when he wrapped susanoo around Kyuubi, and it was the same for Sasuke. Besides, we know that Sasuke received Naruto and Kyuubi's chakra before he even pull that Susanoo.

Madara obtained his first solid PS susanoo in his final battle before the village was form. Believe it or not.

Sage of six path said he trusted Hashirama(unless you want to say Ashura) with half of his power and didn't give Madara any. Thinking it would bring peace, but it didn't. So he gave both naruto and sasuke power this time hoping it will create a different result. Bottom line Indra and madara been fighting people who had the sage of six path's power in them. They kept fighting despite losing or being overpowered. Calling Indra or Madara a sore loser for losing a battle against somebody with godly power is just dumb.

 

[Ashura Hagoromo]

Thank you for cheering

 

[Ashura San]

Madara obtained his first solid PS susanoo in his final battle before the village was form. Believe it or not.

Sage of six path said he trusted Hashirama(unless you want to say Ashura) with half of his power and didn't give Madara any. Thinking it would bring peace, but it didn't. So he gave both naruto and sasuke power this time hoping it will create a different result. Bottom line Indra and madara been fighting people who had the sage of six path's power in them. They kept fighting despite losing or being overpowered. Calling Indra or Madara a sore loser for losing a battle against somebody with godly power is just dumb.

The Sage gave Ashura his power. Not Hashirama or Naruto or any other of Ashura's transmigrats.

And also, they were born were the eyes of a God tee. They are sore losers who constantly seek power. Not relealizing how muh they already have.

 

[Nagi]

The Sage gave Ashura his power. Not Hashirama or Naruto or any other of Ashura's transmigrats.

And also, they were born were the eyes of a God tee. They are sore losers who constantly seek power. Not relealizing how muh they already have.

OP said Ashura was stronger than Indra.....Anyway.....Sage did gave hashirama power. He clearly said, "Unlike the previous two, I decided to trust them both with my power.". So the previous two are Madara and Hashirama. If not, then Hashirama being born with the God tree power was a deus ex machina set up then. Uchiha clan may have been blessed with such eyes, but the whole world is always against them, so they live their life on the battlefield and seek to be the strongest. Can't blame them at all for that.

 

[Mugiwara kun]

The Hidden Leaf village was created before the first appearance of Madara's PS. Show me a scan proving that he had it before he and Harashima fought at the final valley.

Common mate,Madara used PS after Izuna died which was before Konoha was created. Go read your manga

 

[Mugiwara kun]

When discussing Ashura vs Indra, you should never put Madara vs Hashirama in it, because if you do, Indra become a sore loser. In all this duel, Hashirama is my reference to prove that Ashura is greater than Indra. In fact, the analogy is plain. Hashirama's body was the same has the Shinju tree while Madara had part of the fruit (the sharingan without the circles).

This is how Kishi did. One has the body while the other had the part of the eye. It was proven that Hashirama had all the power of the Shinju tree itself and I believe it is the same for Naruto and Ashura. Besides, go read the story of Madara very well to see how he kept running away and look for more power.

On topic, Madara obtain his first solid susanoo when he wrapped susanoo around Kyuubi, and it was the same for Sasuke. Besides, we know that Sasuke received Naruto and Kyuubi's chakra before he even pull that Susanoo.

what the F are you saying?.Madara used PS after Izuna died. He wrapping Susano around Kyubi happened well after. When Konoha was created

 

[NaruSasuRival]

Madara obtained his first solid PS susanoo in his final battle before the village was form. Believe it or not.

Sage of six path said he trusted Hashirama(unless you want to say Ashura) with half of his power and didn't give Madara any. Thinking it would bring peace, but it didn't. So he gave both naruto and sasuke power this time hoping it will create a different result. Bottom line Indra and madara been fighting people who had the sage of six path's power in them. They kept fighting despite losing or being overpowered. Calling Indra or Madara a sore loser for losing a battle against somebody with godly power is just dumb.

Dude, I am the one who is reading the manga here. You are just pulling things from nowhere. I challenge you to bring a single panel where Madara used PS before using Kyuubi. See, your logic is so bad that you don't realize that if Madara had PS, then he wouldn't need Kyuubi. Also, you failed to see how the name of Kyuubi is written on the stone tablet, showing that controlling Kyuubi is evidence that an uchiha has good eyes. Now, in the present, the same thing repeat and we see Sasuke's first pinocchio Susanoo was obtained when he combined with Kyuubi power.

Next, go and read the manga again. When Hagoromo came out of Madara's ass, Hashirama did not know him. Hagoromo introduced himself to Hashirama and the others. This shows smoothly that Hagoromo never met Hashirama in his life, and it was their first time to meet. As you can see, you are making argument up, and trying to dodge the undeniable facts of the manga:

Ashura and his descendent don't borrow power. They are contented with what they are born with. From their birth till their death, they take advantage of their body and strengthen their mind. They never go after a power from non-natural external source.​

In case you don't realize, if Sasuke wasn't threatening the bijus, I bet Naruto would have released the Kyuubi inside him. This just how Naruto has confidence in his own power and believe he can kick Sasuke medium difficulties. If you look at all the battles between Ashura and his side vs Indra and his side, you will see Ashura's group is always teaching Indra's group rather than fighting them.

Ashura was the kyuubis jinchuuriki and the fact that people try to deny it is just plain stupid considering that the avatar we saw of his looks exactly like narutos new kyuubi avatar. And sasuke had scales on his susano'o after he got the rinnegan

Another dumb argument. In order to use full Bijus mode (avatar), you need to combine your chakra with Kyuubi's. This requires that you take the bijus' hatred out. Now, from everything we know about Kyuubi, Kyuubi has proven the following:

(1) The only people he ever interacted with before Naruto were Hgoromo (his friend), Mito, Madara, Kushina, and Minato. Kyuubi did not even mention Hashirama directly.

(2) When Hagoromo spoke of why he trust Naruto, he mentioned that Naruto was able to befriend Kurama who was the embodiment of hatred.

All these data prove that Naruto is the very first perfect jinchuriki of Kyuubi. Ashura was never Kyuubi's jinchuriki and these intels prove it. Besides, denial is what's causing people to not realize that apart from having more tails, Kyuubi is the least special Bijus. He has no element, no nothing. He has no justus, etc. Naruto is actually the one who is special and making the avatar look like Ashura's avatar.

Don't forget the chakra that make current Avatar is both Naruto (Ashura) and Kyuubi's chakra. Don't forget that Naruto is Minato's son and this is why the two can bring out the line in the avatar. Also, look in my profile picture to see Ashura's chakra hanging on Naruto. This will enlighten your stupid head.​

 

[Nagi]

Dude, I am the one who is reading the manga here. You are just pulling things from nowhere. I challenge you to bring a single panel where Madara used PS before using Kyuubi. See, your logic is so bad that you don't realize that if Madara had PS, then he wouldn't need Kyuubi. Also, you failed to see how the name of Kyuubi is written on the stone tablet, showing that controlling Kyuubi is evidence that an uchiha has good eyes. Now, in the present, the same thing repeat and we see Sasuke's first pinocchio Susanoo was obtained when he combined with Kyuubi power.

Next, go and read the manga again. When Hagoromo came out of Madara's ass, Hashirama did not know him. Hagoromo introduced himself to Hashirama and the others. This shows smoothly that Hagoromo never met Hashirama in his life, and it was their first time to meet. As you can see, you are making argument up, and trying to dodge the undeniable facts of the manga:

Ashura and his descendent don't borrow power. They are contented with what they are born with. From their birth till their death, they take advantage of their body and strengthen their mind. They never go after a power from non-natural external source.​

In case you don't realize, if Sasuke wasn't threatening the bijus, I bet Naruto would have released the Kyuubi inside him. This just how Naruto has confidence in his own power and believe he can kick Sasuke medium difficulties. If you look at all the battles between Ashura and his side vs Indra and his side, you will see Ashura's group is always teaching Indra's group rather than fighting them.



Another dumb argument. In order to use full Bijus mode (avatar), you need to combine your chakra with Kyuubi's. This requires that you take the bijus' hatred out. Now, from everything we know about Kyuubi, Kyuubi has proven the following:

(1) The only people he ever interacted with before Naruto were Hgoromo (his friend), Mito, Madara, Kushina, and Minato. Kyuubi did not even mention Hashirama directly.

(2) When Hagoromo spoke of why he trust Naruto, he mentioned that Naruto was able to befriend Kurama who was the embodiment of hatred.

All these data prove that Naruto is the very first perfect jinchuriki of Kyuubi. Ashura was never Kyuubi's jinchuriki and these intels prove it. Besides, denial is what's causing people to not realize that apart from having more tails, Kyuubi is the least special Bijus. He has no element, no nothing. He has no justus, etc. Naruto is actually the one who is special and making the avatar look like Ashura's avatar.

Don't forget the chakra that make current Avatar is both Naruto (Ashura) and Kyuubi's chakra. Don't forget that Naruto is Minato's son and this is why the two can bring out the line in the avatar. Also, look in my profile picture to see Ashura's chakra hanging on Naruto. This will enlighten your stupid head.​

You fail to see that BZ rewritten that tablet!

 

[KillerbYo]

Cooperating with people is being a dictator.

Being democratic means you accept competition, and that you dont co-operate with people because they might be bad.

 

[FreeTanner17]

You have no evidence that he was, and there are fact that shows that Ashura's avatar was just like Susanoo with an animalistic form. Also, you need to understand that Ashura's avatar and Kyuubi cloak are not the same. There are ribs in Ashura's avatar, and you will stop calling people stupid when Naruto shows it.

Just look at Hashirama's buddah to see that Kyuubi is fodder. Besides, have you asked yourself this:

Why the real Kyuubi is has no lines and the avatar has marking all other its body? Why does Naruto's avatar has the six marks on Naruto's face? Why is it glowing while Bee and Octopus were plain octopus?

Well for one ashura's avatar is in the shape of kurama with some slight changes like narutos avatar and why the hell would he have that if he wasn't kuramas Jin. Plus how the hell is susano'o animalistic? It's in the shape of a demonic person. You must be blind i guess. And asking why the kuramas jinchuuriki avatar is different is because the nine tails was favored by the sage and is special among the other beasts since he is the most powerful. And the lines? Naruto has those too on his. Seriously saying that ashura wasnt a jinchuuriki is like saying he could've had an avatar just like Gyuuki the eight tails but without any relation or connection to the eight tails at all. You are so stupid it's ridiculous. I guess f^ck logic though you know I guess I could have an avatar just like Naruto without having the kyuubi that totally makes sense right. Looks extremely similar to narutos and was right after the sage split up the ten tails into the tailed beasts but you know ashura's avatar has nothing to do with the kyuubi at all. Seriously this logic of yours pisses me off

 

[FreeTanner17]

Dude, I am the one who is reading the manga here. You are just pulling things from nowhere. I challenge you to bring a single panel where Madara used PS before using Kyuubi. See, your logic is so bad that you don't realize that if Madara had PS, then he wouldn't need Kyuubi. Also, you failed to see how the name of Kyuubi is written on the stone tablet, showing that controlling Kyuubi is evidence that an uchiha has good eyes. Now, in the present, the same thing repeat and we see Sasuke's first pinocchio Susanoo was obtained when he combined with Kyuubi power.

Next, go and read the manga again. When Hagoromo came out of Madara's ass, Hashirama did not know him. Hagoromo introduced himself to Hashirama and the others. This shows smoothly that Hagoromo never met Hashirama in his life, and it was their first time to meet. As you can see, you are making argument up, and trying to dodge the undeniable facts of the manga:

Ashura and his descendent don't borrow power. They are contented with what they are born with. From their birth till their death, they take advantage of their body and strengthen their mind. They never go after a power from non-natural external source.​

In case you don't realize, if Sasuke wasn't threatening the bijus, I bet Naruto would have released the Kyuubi inside him. This just how Naruto has confidence in his own power and believe he can kick Sasuke medium difficulties. If you look at all the battles between Ashura and his side vs Indra and his side, you will see Ashura's group is always teaching Indra's group rather than fighting them.



Another dumb argument. In order to use full Bijus mode (avatar), you need to combine your chakra with Kyuubi's. This requires that you take the bijus' hatred out. Now, from everything we know about Kyuubi, Kyuubi has proven the following:

(1) The only people he ever interacted with before Naruto were Hgoromo (his friend), Mito, Madara, Kushina, and Minato. Kyuubi did not even mention Hashirama directly.

(2) When Hagoromo spoke of why he trust Naruto, he mentioned that Naruto was able to befriend Kurama who was the embodiment of hatred.

All these data prove that Naruto is the very first perfect jinchuriki of Kyuubi. Ashura was never Kyuubi's jinchuriki and these intels prove it. Besides, denial is what's causing people to not realize that apart from having more tails, Kyuubi is the least special Bijus. He has no element, no nothing. He has no justus, etc. Naruto is actually the one who is special and making the avatar look like Ashura's avatar.

Don't forget the chakra that make current Avatar is both Naruto (Ashura) and Kyuubi's chakra. Don't forget that Naruto is Minato's son and this is why the two can bring out the line in the avatar. Also, look in my profile picture to see Ashura's chakra hanging on Naruto. This will enlighten your stupid head.​

And just because kurama never spoke of him doesn't mean crap. Kurama never talked about the sage until they were far into the war and also, the sage said that Naruto was very similar to ashura even on everything that's he's done. For all you know that could include becoming friends with the tailed beasts. Don't try to act all logical when you are clearly denying the fact that's ashura's AVATAR IS IN THE SHAPE OF A FREAKING FOX AND IT LOOKS ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE NARUTOS YOU FREAKING MORON OMG HdoWkcochwmxjeicyrnxo SHUT THE HELL UP IM DONE TYPING IN BOLD NOW