[Discussion] Arrancar are the superioir species!

[deva pein]

Well as we all know, there are multiple kinds of "species" in Bleach verse.
You have got the Shinigami, Quincy, Hollows and Arrancar. The Arrancar are by far the most powerful of these species.
I will tell you why they are the strongest creatures.

Their Potential
This is the most powerful asset of an Arrancar. It is known that most of the Captain class Shinigami have lived for at least several hundred years, and the seniors have been here for at least a millenium. They have got all that time to train and get stronger. They also have teachers that can guide them to develop their powers.
The Arrancar have been there for less than 100 years, because 100 years ago Aizen was still experimenting on Vaizards. Some of the Espada's are 10 years at max and still able to compete with the Captain class shinigami, even though they haven't received training. And Wonderweiss was a few months old and he could compete with a vaizard lieutenant (Mashiro), and she is at least 100 years old.
Most of the Fraccion where considerably stronger than the seated officers. Of course there are fodder Arrancar, but the average Arrancar is far above the average Shinigami.

Their Abilities
I will sum up some of their abilities against the ones of the Shinigami:

Sonido=Shunpo
Pesquisa (The Shinigami can sense Reiatsu, but I believe Pesquisa has got more focus)
Hierro (The Shinigami don't have something like this)
Cero<Kido (Kido is more diverse)
Ressurecion>=Shikai/Bankai (I will explain this further on)

From the list above it seems like they are evenly matched, but I will explain why the Arrancar are most likely superior.
The Arrancar all have a Ressurecion. It is a bit like Ichigo's Bankai, mainly because it enhances speed and strength a great deal. But it can also be used in a more tactical way because when a Arrancar releases, most of their wounds are healed, and they are fresh. They can keep their Released state up as long as they like and it doesn't seem to tire them like Vaizards.
And you have the Segunda Etapa, showed by Ulquiorra. I think it is the counterpart to Bankai because Urahara once said something like that. The reason that only Ulquiorra has shown it is because he was a genius and a prodigy. I believe only Starrk had talent compareble to him butt he was lazy so he didn't train as much as Ulquiorra did. It takes a long time and a lot of effort to attain Bankai, so it's not really strange that the relatively young Arrancar haven't shown it.

And last of all, I believe that the Arrancar are able to use Kido. The Vaizards can use Hollow techniques like Cero and Sonido, so why can't the couterpart of Arrancar use Kido? The reason they haven't shown it is because there wasn't much need for it, some of them felt that they where superior so why learn an inferior technique, and they don't have an Academy in Hueco Mundo.

This is why an Arrancar is naturally stronger than a Shinigami.

VS the Quincy's
The Arrancar are Hollow in their core and Quincy's are very weak to Hollows. A simple bite from a hollow can kill a Quincy. The reason that the Quincy could take over Hueco Mundo is because the Vandenreich has order, extremely powerful fighters and the strongest Arrancar/Hollow in Hueco Mundo was Halibel, and she isn't exactly strong.


VS Hollows
Well, the Arrancar are further evolved Hollows so that speaks for itself.


So what do you guys think about this? Do you agree or do you think that the Quincy/Shinigami are superior, and more importantly, why do you think that?

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

They were defeated by Soul Reapers.

 

[deva pein]

They were defeated by Soul Reapers.

You didn't even read all of it. They where defeated because they where there a lot shorter than the Shinigami because the just recently started to exist. They didn't have any form of education so they are a bit like unpolished diamants. They have a lot of potential.

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

You didn't even read all of it. They where defeated because they where there a lot shorter than the Shinigami because the just recently started to exist. They didn't have any form of education so they are a bit like unpolished diamants. They have a lot of potential.

Shinigami have alot of potential too.
How do u know that where the arrancar were wasnt their limit?

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Hollows (Arrancars) are incomplete souls and Shinigamis are complete.

Arrancar wouldn't be that strong if Aizen didn't boost their power with Hyogaku, even after he boost their power they still lost to Shinigamis. We also know that Arrancars before Aizen experiment were weak and wasn't problem for Gotei.

 

[deva pein]

Shinigami have alot of potential too.
How do u know that where the arrancar were wasnt their limit?

Because most of them where just recently turned into an Arrancar and don't have the experience compared to the Shinigami that are a couple of centuries old. Wonderweiss was able to defeat Vaizard Mashiro that had lived for at least a hundred years with ease. He was a moth or two old.

 

[HENI]

How come the Quincy beat them then?

 

[deva pein]

Hollows (Arrancars) are incomplete souls and Shinigamis are complete.

Arrancar wouldn't be that strong if Aizen didn't boost their power with Hyogaku, even after he boost their power they still lost to Shinigamis. We also know that Arrancars before Aizen experiment were weak and wasn't problem for Gotei.

The Shinigami have much more experience, they have order, they have an Academy and they are with a lot more. I know that the Arrancar Aizen made are stronger but can you show me the page where it states that the natural Arrancar are weaker?

 

[deva pein]

How come the Quincy beat them then?

Read. The. Thread.
Summary for people that lack the concentration or will to read something longer than their d!ck :
The QUincy have order, they have trained for years while they where hiding in the shadows, they can learn from each other, and the top class Arrancar where defeated, only Halibel and her Fraccion are of any little significance.

 

[thepizzaguy]

I agree. I also believe that grimmjow isnt dead so hell show up and take back hueco mondo

 

[deva pein]

I agree. I also believe that grimmjow isnt dead so hell show up and take back hueco mondo

Yep, he already has come back. He will make the race of the Arrancar proud. He will kick some major ass. He probably has Segunda Etapa, because once Kubo shows a unique special ability, he will use it so much it will be common in no time. (Ahum Bankai)

 

[Forbidden Tale]

The Shinigami have much more experience, they have order, they have an Academy and they are with a lot more. I know that the Arrancar Aizen made are stronger but can you show me the page where it states that the natural Arrancar are weaker?

Toshiro said something like that, Aizen said that in the end they are all just disapointed him.
Some Arrancars are not that young, many of them are before SS/Agent of Shinigami arc.

 

[deva pein]

Toshiro said something like that, Aizen said that in the end they are all just disapointed him.
Some Arrancars are not that young, many of them are before SS/Agent of Shinigami arc.

First: Manga page please? Or at least tell me around what fight it happened.

Second: You do realize that before the Soul Society arc would be two years at max? Aizen could be doing it before that, that is very likely but even so, they are not older than I think 10-20 years, whereas there are Shinigami that are nearly a millennium: Yamamoto, Shunsui, Ukitake and Unohana. And I am a big fan of Shunsui but he had a lot of trouble with Starrk and he only beat Starrk with just his Shikai because Starrk was suffering form Plot Induced Stupidity. Starrk was probably at max 20 years old so Shunsui had way more experience and time to train.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

First: Manga page please? Or at least tell me around what fight it happened.

Second: You do realize that before the Soul Society arc would be two years at max? Aizen could be doing it before that, that is very likely but even so, they are not older than I think 10-20 years, whereas there are Shinigami that are nearly a millennium: Yamamoto, Shunsui, Ukitake and Unohana. And I am a big fan of Shunsui but he had a lot of trouble with Starrk and he only beat Starrk with just his Shikai because Starrk was suffering form Plot Induced Stupidity. Starrk was probably at max 20 years old so Shunsui had way more experience and time to train.

Aizen boost their power with Hyogaku, without Hyogaku they are not strong as they was potrayed, it was stated multiple times.

Academy exist because to become shinigami you must train, but to be hollow or arrancar you don't, you are born with that power.

It would mean that Coyote had 20 years to train, from what we saw As Nodt had at best nine years to train and from what we saw As Nodt is stronger than any other Arrancar, it would bring down you theory about Arrancar being superior race.

 

[deva pein]

Aizen boost their power with Hyogaku, without Hyogaku they are not strong as they was potrayed, it was stated multiple times.

Academy exist because to become shinigami you must train, but to be hollow or arrancar you don't, you are born with that power.

It would mean that Coyote had 20 years to train, from what we saw As Nodt had at best nine years to train and from what we saw As Nodt is stronger than any other Arrancar, it would bring down you theory about Arrancar being superior race.

I know that the Arrancars Aizen made are stronger, but they were not weak.

As Nodt is so strong because of Bleach's inconsistent power levels. He is a regular Sternritter, but he was portrayed to be really strong.
I am only conparing Natural abilities and potential and from that aspect the Arrancar can grow to be the strongest because the are a Hollow/Shinigami hybrid and Quincy are weak against Hollows. The Quincy and Shinigami are better trained than the Arrancar.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

I know that the Arrancars Aizen made are stronger, but they were not weak.

As Nodt is so strong because of Bleach's inconsistent power levels. He is a regular Sternritter, but he was portrayed to be really strong.
I am only conparing Natural abilities and potential and from that aspect the Arrancar can grow to be the strongest because the are a Hollow/Shinigami hybrid and Quincy are weak against Hollows. The Quincy and Shinigami are better trained than the Arrancar.

There is no proff that Arrancar who were "natural born" would be with training, stronger than Arrancars Aizen created.
What do you mean by Natural abilities?
It was said that Quincys are weak against Hollows not Arrancars.

 

[deva pein]

If Arrancar are trained, they can be better than Shinigami and Quincy.
They have both the abilities of Hollows and Shinigami so they have the potential to grow stronger. They are Hollow at their core, they sometimes refer to themselves as a Hollow. They are an evolved form of a Hollow with Shinigami traits, just like how Vaisards are Shinigami with Hollow traits.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

How do you know that Arrancar would be better, when they was called incompete to Arrancars Aizen created?

Arrancars like you said have both Hollows and Shinigami powers with them, from what we know, to stop Quincy from dying is to have Shinigamis power with in you (Ichigo's case) or to have link with Shinigami power (Masaki's case). Arrancars with them have shinigami power so there is high possibility that there bite wouldn't hurt Quincy.

 

[deva pein]

How do you know that Arrancar would be better, when they was called incompete to Arrancars Aizen created?

Arrancars like you said have both Hollows and Shinigami powers with them, from what we know, to stop Quincy from dying is to have Shinigamis power with in you (Ichigo's case) or to have link with Shinigami power (Masaki's case). Arrancars with them have shinigami power so there is high possibility that there bite wouldn't hurt Quincy.

So why can't the Quincy seal the Ressureccion of the Arrancar? Because they are part Hollow. I'm on my phone so I cant show you the manga page but if you are up to date with Bleach you should know that Urahara discoverd that!

 

[Unorthodox]

Soul reapers & quincies destroys them