Are you against gay marriage?

[avenged sevenfold]

a D in the mouth and in the butt is pure?

no lmfao

would love not count as love regardless of gender??

 

[Umari Senju]

I think people are getting way too serious about this. Everyone has their own opinions and we may not agree with one another but at the end of the day gays exist and gay marriage isn't a sure thing. I personally support this but if someone who has said politely that they don't agree with it then that's their opinion. The only time we should get annoyed is when people voice their opinions in an harsh way

You're right. It just gets me heated when this topic comes up. I love my dads so very much and I feel I need to defend them against all the hateful and inconciderate things I see and hear time and time again.

I apologize:

Wolfus
Prime Rib
NarutoIndra

If I came off too agressive it's because I don't like hearing what my parents are in such a negative light. It just gets me heated. But I mean no disrespect to your views on the matter. You have your right to feel how you feel.

 

[Luther]

Against gay marriage? I detest such behaviours and i refute it and will never accept it, although i will respect it. Born and raised in africa, nigeria to be precise the most populated african country in the world i grew up with the mentality that a man should have relations with a woman and me being raised as a catholic didnt help matters either, not only is such behaviour against the church it is agains the ethics and morals which i have abided to my whole life, in fact being gay or having homosexual relations is a crime in my country punishable by jail time should you be convicted. It wasnt till i had outside exposure that i knew what "gay" means, but i do not and will not condone such behaviours and love or feelings aside this should never be approved thats my opinion, goodday.

 

[NarutoIndra]

See what you just did right there? It's obvious that you are bigotted toward homosexuals. You asked how could blacks have a negative impact on whites? What if during the civil war we didn't just want equal rights but become the dominate race on the planet and thus brought death to whites? That's harmful.

You are wrong it is the EXACT SAME THING!

Homosexuals can and do reproduce. They are gay not a different species. A large number of homosexual couples have biological baies via mid-wife or invetro fertilization. The mom's carry the babies to term and are paid very well for it. Then the child is a product of their parent's very own DNA.

Do you even know what you are talking about? You think because someone is gay or lesbian they are incapable or unwilling to create life? One of my fathers is my biological father as they both submitted sperm samples to the mid-wife and I was the result.

You show your ignoracnes with your posts. Just admit you are simply a bigot when it comes to homosexuality. You don't have to like it or even accept it. But I will have much more respect for you if you just come to terms with your hatred about something you know aboslutely nothing about.

What? This is fallacious. Black's never wanted to be the superior race. Moreover, that isn't even an argument as Black's having wanted to be superior wouldn't have ended up making them a permanent negative impact. it would have only made them a temporary negative impact that would've been resolved through temporary war. Gay's on the other hand, cannot bring a positive impact no matter how long a time interval you give them. It will never be a temporary thing, it will always be permanent. Hoever, I don't see why I am arguing this as your scenario is completely made up and should be disregarded.

Lel. They can't reproduce together, that is my point. A world of biological babies will lead to a retarded race as no genes will be distinct thus never will there be an actual progressing race. Furthermore, what you just said is crazy as it is. For one, it is high-balling to say more than 100 million of the women will end up accepting sperm. From these 100 million, over 1 billion men would be responsible for babies. That is like saying every women will want 10 babies, and that is me lowballing extremely. At an adequate amount, it would be around 25+ babies, which is, as we know, not only impossible, but also unreasonable. Anyways, this would mean every mother is responsible for a large majority of the worlds genes. Meaning these few mothers will have their genes mixed up be wen babies consistent of 25 completely different genes and DNA's. I can keep going and give you a genetics lesson on how badly that would impact the world, but in greater detail.

They are capable of creating life without knowing who the other person is, nor pursuing life. What does this mean? Mothers will be bringing sons who have no fathers, meaning that's a certain gay child being raised by women. Dad's will be brining in daughters having them be around guys who don't show any love for women, hence she also ends up showing no love for men and goes to being lesbian. This would end up not only severely reducing the population, but making our population a biological one, which seems to be something you don't look down upon, likely due to your ignorance.

You also show your ignorances towards what would occur in a biological generation. You also show no concern to the fact that between these many gay's, heterosexuals will be in-between them, and end up being treated like homosexuals are currently treated. I see no reason as to why homosexuals should conclude ridiculing heterosexuals by the end of the next several hundred years, when the heterosexuals are the ones that are truly designed for this world, hence their body composition is accurate for reproduction, hence they can genuinely reproduce without affecting the world's upcoming generations. I have knowledge of the results of what a homosexual race would create, I don't have to have knowledge over homosexual activity to realise such.

 

[Sakura Bunny]

Nope.

@ Religious ****s; Jesus was a ******, jsyk. :O

 

[Umari Senju]

What? This is fallacious. Black's never wanted to be the superior race. Moreover, that isn't even an argument as Black's having wanted to be superior wouldn't have ended up making them a permanent negative impact. it would have only made them a temporary negative impact that would've been resolved through temporary war. Gay's on the other hand, cannot bring a positive impact no matter how long a time interval you give them. It will never be a temporary thing, it will always be permanent. Hoever, I don't see why I am arguing this as your scenario is completely made up and should be disregarded.

Lel. They can't reproduce together, that is my point. A world of biological babies will lead to a retarded race as no genes will be distinct thus never will there be an actual progressing race. Furthermore, what you just said is crazy as it is. For one, it is high-balling to say more than 100 million of the women will end up accepting sperm. From these 100 million, over 1 billion men would be responsible for babies. That is like saying every women will want 10 babies, and that is me lowballing extremely. At an adequate amount, it would be around 25+ babies, which is, as we know, not only impossible, but also unreasonable. Anyways, this would mean every mother is responsible for a large majority of the worlds genes. Meaning these few mothers will have their genes mixed up be wen babies consistent of 25 completely different genes and DNA's. I can keep going and give you a genetics lesson on how badly that would impact the world, but in greater detail.

They are capable of creating life without knowing who the other person is, nor pursuing life. What does this mean? Mothers will be bringing sons who have no fathers, meaning that's a certain gay child being raised by women. Dad's will be brining in daughters having them be around guys who don't show any love for women, hence she also ends up showing no love for men and goes to being lesbian. This would end up not only severely reducing the population, but making our population a biological one, which seems to be something you don't look down upon, likely due to your ignorance.

You also show your ignorances towards what would occur in a biological generation. You also show no concern to the fact that between these many gay's, heterosexuals will be in-between them, and end up being treated like homosexuals are currently treated. I see no reason as to why homosexuals should conclude ridiculing heterosexuals by the end of the next several hundred years, when the heterosexuals are the ones that are truly designed for this world, hence their body composition is accurate for reproduction, hence they can genuinely reproduce without affecting the world's upcoming generations. I have knowledge of the results of what a homosexual race would create, I don't have to have knowledge over homosexual activity to realise such.

This guy^ XD :vincent:

This is why we have nothing more to discuss. Good day sir.

 

[Kenotthib]

Since I'm not gay I really don't give af. I don't pick sides. I just watch from a distance.

 

[avenged sevenfold]

You're right. It just gets me heated when this topic comes up. I love my dads so very much and I feel I need to defend them against all the hateful and inconciderate things I see and hear time and time again.

I apologize:

Wolfus
Prime Rib
NarutoIndra

If I came off too agressive it's because I don't like hearing what my parents are in such a negative light. It just gets me heated. But I mean no disrespect to your views on the matter. You have your right to feel how you feel.

Its alright I hope you and your parents live a long happy life together. People should just calm down and let their views be just that.

 

[Jack Spicer]

Against gay marriage? I detest such behaviours and i refute it and will never accept it, although i will respect it. Born and raised in africa, nigeria to be precise the most populated african country in the world i grew up with the mentality that a man should have relations with a woman and me being raised as a catholic didnt help matters either, not only is such behaviour against the church it is agains the ethics and morals which i have abided to my whole life, in fact being gay or having homosexual relations is a crime in my country punishable by jail time should you be convicted. It wasnt till i had outside exposure that i knew what "gay" means, but i do not and will not condone such behaviours and love or feelings aside this should never be approved thats my opinion, goodday.

>Respects it
>Says it should never be approved.

lolwut

 

[OnPoint]

I think people have the right to be happy - but what is often overlooked is the fact that marriage is a religious ceremony defined by the union of a man and a woman. I'm not religious at all but you can't expect a particular group (the Church for instance) to bend backwards and go against their traditions. I often wonder why I never see this people take themselves down to the Mosque and try and get it done there. It's as if they're trying to take the piss out of the Church/Christianity only. Nothing against Homosexuals but I find it absurd that only one religion is normally targeted in these situations.

 

[Umari Senju]

I think people have the right to be happy - but what is often overlooked is the fact that marriage is a religious ceremony defined by the union of a man and a woman. I'm not religious at all but you can't expect a particular group (the Church for instance) to bend backwards and go against their traditions. I often wonder why I never see this people take themselves down to the Mosque and try and get it done there. It's as if they're trying to take the piss out of the Church/Christianity only. Nothing against Homosexuals but I find it absurd that only one religion is normally targeted in these situations.

I think it's mainly because Christianity is often the most outspoken on how they view homosexuality. True, they are not the only ones who disapprove of it. But since they hold such a worldwide influence they often have the biggest impact on homosexuals In general.

But not every religion is against gay marriage either. But I do see what you're saying.

 

[OnPoint]

I think it's mainly because Christianity is often the most outspoken on how they view homosexuality. True, they are not the only ones who disapprove of it. But since they hold such a worldwide influence they often have the biggest impact on homosexuals In general.

But not every religion is against gay marriage either. But I do see what you're saying.

It doesn't explain why a homosexual person, usually non-religious, would try and go to the Church to get the ceremony carried out. Why would they go there if Christianity was the most outspoken? If certain other religions were more lenient why wouldn't they try and take advantage of them? It's pretty ridiculous actually.

 

[EnDash]

What? This is fallacious. Black's never wanted to be the superior race. Moreover, that isn't even an argument as Black's having wanted to be superior wouldn't have ended up making them a permanent negative impact. it would have only made them a temporary negative impact that would've been resolved through temporary war. Gay's on the other hand, cannot bring a positive impact no matter how long a time interval you give them. It will never be a temporary thing, it will always be permanent. Hoever, I don't see why I am arguing this as your scenario is completely made up and should be disregarded.

Lel. They can't reproduce together, that is my point. A world of biological babies will lead to a retarded race as no genes will be distinct thus never will there be an actual progressing race. Furthermore, what you just said is crazy as it is. For one, it is high-balling to say more than 100 million of the women will end up accepting sperm. From these 100 million, over 1 billion men would be responsible for babies. That is like saying every women will want 10 babies, and that is me lowballing extremely. At an adequate amount, it would be around 25+ babies, which is, as we know, not only impossible, but also unreasonable. Anyways, this would mean every mother is responsible for a large majority of the worlds genes. Meaning these few mothers will have their genes mixed up be wen babies consistent of 25 completely different genes and DNA's. I can keep going and give you a genetics lesson on how badly that would impact the world, but in greater detail.

They are capable of creating life without knowing who the other person is, nor pursuing life. What does this mean? Mothers will be bringing sons who have no fathers, meaning that's a certain gay child being raised by women. Dad's will be brining in daughters having them be around guys who don't show any love for women, hence she also ends up showing no love for men and goes to being lesbian. This would end up not only severely reducing the population, but making our population a biological one, which seems to be something you don't look down upon, likely due to your ignorance.

You also show your ignorances towards what would occur in a biological generation. You also show no concern to the fact that between these many gay's, heterosexuals will be in-between them, and end up being treated like homosexuals are currently treated. I see no reason as to why homosexuals should conclude ridiculing heterosexuals by the end of the next several hundred years, when the heterosexuals are the ones that are truly designed for this world, hence their body composition is accurate for reproduction, hence they can genuinely reproduce without affecting the world's upcoming generations. I have knowledge of the results of what a homosexual race would create, I don't have to have knowledge over homosexual activity to realise such.

homosexuality have been documented to be around for the last 100 years (probably more, i'm talking about known cases), at which the human population has bombarded. if homosexuality really is hampering reproduction to a halt why are we worried about population density getting higher every year?

also, there have been many documented cases of animals displaying homosexual behaviur including ***, pair bonding and parenting. so the talk about biologicly or evolutionarily correct sexuality are based on nothing but the majority rule. the fact that there are more heterosexuals doesn't prove that it's the correct or only path and you've got nothing but speculation against it.
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about children being raised by same *** parents, homosexuality isn't alone in this regard, literaly every belief a child have is probably affected by his parents beliefs, be it religion, racism, creationism, evolution, politics and so on. if gay parents are not allowed to raise their child to the gay tradition then a christian parent is not allowed to raise his child to the christian tradition. unfourtontly this problem remains unsolved and no one has a solution yet. but you can't make special cases like homosexuality just like that.

i just love people who shout "armageddon" on every change to their lives. i don't know how the whole homosexuality saga will end but i believe that if homosexual will win and become part of the law and equal to diffrent *** marriage and parenthood, the human race will be just fine and remain mostly the same. heterosexual people won't disappear, we won't need artificial reproduction and all of us will move to the next conflict and the next "end of the world" predictions. we've survived much worse then this.

 

[Prime Rib]

Two hot dogs together without the buns does that look right to you? NOPE

 

[Umari Senju]

It doesn't explain why a homosexual person, usually non-religious, would try and go to the Church to get the ceremony carried out. Why would they go there if Christianity was the most outspoken? If certain other religions were more lenient why wouldn't they try and take advantage of them? It's pretty ridiculous actually.

I think that's because even though they don't practice the religion. They were raised christian/Catholic/Baptist etc. So they still share the same ideals when it comes to the practice of marriage.

 

[avenged sevenfold]

Two hot dogs together without the buns does that look right to you? NOPE

as much as that made me laugh do you not think that *** or making love should exempt from judgement regardless of gender

 

[Yashiro]

Yes, all people have the right to be married to the one they love

 

[EnDash]

Two hot dogs together without the buns does that look right to you? NOPE

it looks right to someone. thats enough for me. (as long as they don't hurt someone or do something without consent, but that applies to everything)

 

[paratise]

I am not against same *** marrige.
For the same reasons why i am not against marrige between different races. Or the same reason why people have birth right to have equal rights.

So they can't reproduce? Oh so as old couples, unfertile people or people who simply do not want to reproduce or merely masturbate. **** they should be illegalized right? And everything in life leads to reproduction like driving or eating huh?

Not from birth? There are arguements and researches on this. Frankly dear i don't give a damn. I did not born 173 cm either yet life does stuff to human. And i dont't ever saw a 2 year old getting thirsty over another person so how can you tell anyway.

Religion? Guess what dear not everyone believes a same religion or in the same ways you do. It is not up to you how they will live it so what is it to you?

Change in society fabric? Welcome to humanity babe we go through changes in society for like last several thousand years you should know it unless you are slow to who the **** we are or what is society. Plus gay people have always existed.

How can i explain it to my children two men/women being in love? It is your own damn kid you will explain it like how you explain what is ***, what is gravity or how to ride a bike.

Women are created for men? I don't even know how to start this utter insult and ignorance. A fallacy and downgarding of a statement for backing up another level of discrimination.

They are disgusting? That's your opinion. If you find a **** in the butt disgusting then don't imagine such stuff. The fact that we are sharing 90% of our body cells with other microrganisms, bleeding 5 days in a month from a hole and using the same hole for ***, extracting piss and sperm from the same length, carrying shit in our bodies can be viewed as "disgusting" too yet they are all apart of human biology and reality. Matter of perspective. No one tells you to be gay. IT is like illegalizing other people listening rap because you don't like the genre.

...

And many many other stuff. I am not against marrige as long as both sides are willing, matured and not 1st degree relatives.

 

[Wolfus]

]So answer me this then? How many hertosexuals get beat up or killed for being heterosexual? Not as many as homosexuals.

How many hetrosexuals have to hide their sexuality for fear of being shunned by society?

How many times do heterosexuals get told through life that being attracted to the opposite *** is unnatural and amoral; an affront to god and not the way of things.

Tell me, How is it against nature or the "natural order" if so many have existed since the birth of man?

Tell me, what do you know what it means to grow up gay or with gay parents?

So what makes you or anyone else the authority on what is right and what is wrong when it comes to sexual orientation?

Gay people, are not the problem, ignorance is. You can't give any scientific, religious, or moral standing on homosexuality because you are NOT one.

You have no idea what they go through, how they feel, how they even work. all your data is something shown to you over and over again by a society that views it as wrong, against nature, abnormal because it doesn't fall in with how the rest of biology is suppose to work.

Who made you or anyone else the premere scholar on how biology is suppose to work or why homosexuality exists?

What you are doing (backing you views with percentages and scientific data) is no different the what "moralists" as you put it, are trying to do. Understanding why people are homosexual is one thing.

Telling them that it is wrong or an act against nature is so very narrow minded and foolish. Do you dain to know nature's grand plan?

And you wonder why homosexual are so forceful about being accepted. Try walking a mile in their shoes. Try being told all your life that you are an abomination to the world because of who you are attracted to. Try living your life in fear of being beaten up or killed because of your sexual preference

Maybe then you will begin to understand.

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1- That's the main problem of you moralists. You think only homossexuals go through problems, through difficult situations, through disrespect.
You think I don't know how it is to be segregated? To be humiliated? I was a "nerd" kid, IN BRAZIL. Do you know how much time did I take to make people acknowledge and respect me? To make people see me as a friend or good classmate? Years, many years. And I didn't do it putting my self as the "opressed" and complaining about how society is evil.

The point of this is: I know well of how there are still gays that suffer disrespect. I never said this should be done. Any kind of disrespect should be fighted. But it's how you fight it, that's what I'm complaining about. In the law, they already have most rights of the citizens. So they don't fight for more, that would be a privilege, having more right than a regular citizen. They fight for people to respect these rights.

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2- In what momment did I say it homossexualism is right or wrong, huh? You're so moralism you just assumed that I was saying that out of nowhere.
And besides, you don't have to be gay to consider what's wrong or right. Wrong or right are related to the impac of something in society. If something has a bad impact, if it harms society, then it's bad, but it is good for life in society, then it's good. That's up for society, as a whole decide. Not only gays, not only straigth people.
And if it's natural or not, that's up for biology masters to decide, to study.

No one is saying gay people are untouchable and can do no wrong. That is so far from the truth. There is as much bigotry and hatred from the gay and lesbian community as there is from the hetorsexual community. No human is perfect. no, far from it.

As many equal rights as homosexuals have they are still percieved as abnormalities in society to the point where they can't even be recognized in marriage or are passed over to be parents becuase of this.

That is not equality.

You clearly didn't read my two threads, but then, let me put it here.

Essencial knowledge
For this thread, there are somethings that need to be known. I'll explain everything. If you know it, you can skip this part, but don't post anything that goes against these concepts.
- Respect and criticism: To be respected is a right of every citizen, it is a duty of everybody to respect the differences between the individuals. Criticism is different from disrespect. One can criticize anything(to criticize is to make an analysis of something using logic, evidences and facts to suport some idea), as long as he/she keeps it respectful. Criticism is part of our freedom of speech.

- Homophobia: To hate, to discriminate, to have the desire to segregate or harm(in any way) an homossexual for the very reason that the person is homossexual.

Criticism
It's obvious that the homossexuals deserve the same rights as the other citizens. The best way for people to live together is a, ideal democracy, in which the differences are respected by each citizen and by the law: despite the differences, the law and the government don't consider some better than others because some characteristic.(This is an ideal democracy, of course things aren't exactly like that, but it's the closest we can get).
All citizens having the same rights(equality of rights) is different, of course, from socialism, which tries to equal different beings, ignoring the differences. So, homossexuals are citizens, just like everybody else.

However, blind moralists, who claim to be fighting for the homossexuals to have the same rights, make stupid mistakes such as the trial to give the homossexuals privileges. which for some reason they call equality. What is the evidence that these people try to fight for these privileges?
The evidences are that they try to make the homossexuals untouchable: People must agree with homossexualism(to respect and to accept is different from to agree, as with the first 2. people will acknowledge and respect the different characteristics, ideas and behaviors, but they wom't necessarily agree with it.), people must never critize homossexualism or homossexuals, homossexuals must have rights to secure these, having more rights than the other citizens.
These measures are obviously a trial to put the homossexuals above the other citizens, as not only they will have more rights, but also the rest of the population will lose part of their freedom of speech(they cannot disagree with homossexualism and they can't critize it). Of course, now I'll give exemples:

Situation 1:
"-man, I'm proud to be homossexual
-way to go, dude"
vs
"-man, I'm proud to be white/straight
- YOU HOMOPHOBIC DOUCHEBAG"

Situation 2:
*Straight couple making out on the streets, in a very intense way*
"- Man, look at them, they're almost eating each other, so disrespectful
- Indeed. It's ok to kiss outside, but they're almost having ***, this bothers other people. Get a room"
vs
*Homossexual couple making out on the streets, in a very intense way*
"- Man, look at them, they're almost eating each other, so disrespectful. It's ok to kiss outside, but they're almost having ***, this bothers other people. Get a room
- JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE GAY, RIGHT??!!!
- No, it's the way...
- YOU HOMOPHOBIC DOUCHEBAG!!!"

The proud person of the situation 1 was wrongly considered homophobic.To be proud of a characteristc of yours is not a prejudice, is not a trial of discrimination against the "oposite group". It doesn't fit the concepts I've mentioned.
The same happened in situation 2: The guy was bothered not because the couple was homossexual, but it was because their way of kissing. As the guy explained, it bothers people, so, as much as we're free, our freedom is limited to the point that we can't make things disrespectful to other citizens. So, it was not homophobia(this, howevever, is not to takeaway people's rights. As everybody must be equaly respect, you can't disrespect people if you want respect, this is the limitation of freedom, which brings stability). However, many blind moralists wrongly consider these situations as homophobic situations.


Their excuse is that homossexuals are the opressed minority, therefore they need these measures. This is an obvious mistake: Giving privileges will only increase the cicle of hatred between the 2 groups, as the group without the privileges will feel "opressed", "decreased", and they will blaim the group with privileges. This,as I said, will increase the cicle of hatred, which will cause many fights. This is why it is a mistake, and it is a mistake that was made in the past, as in the past, some groups of society used to have many more rights than the population. This caused many of the fights and revolutions, which, different for the current actions, were movements to achieve equality of rights. The current behavior is the one in which there is a trial to give the privileges as some form of revenge or compensation, which, as I explained, will only cause more problems.