Are Tobi's Motives Truly Unjust?

[Mgumbo]

*MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS DEPENDING ON YOUR PROGRESS WITH THE MANGA*

I've already had this idea in my head for a little while, but after reading today's latest (and very excellent) chapter, I figured I'd make a thread on it. Take a look at these two frames:

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I take notice of two quotes in particular:

"It will be a world without hatred or conflict. Everything will be one with me; everything united."

"No war, no peace, nothing. A perfect world...There lies truth in a singular consciousness that has abandoned all individuality!"

It seems that Tobi simply wants to have a world where there is no conflict, no war, no violence...he just happens to be doing that in his own way, by using Infinite Tsukuyomi and basically controlling reality. Is this really a bad thing? He doesn't WANT to hurt anybody, it seems (to back up this statement, refer to his invasion of the Kage Summit; he politely asked them to simply hand over the Jinchuuriki), although he was prepared to do so with his Zetsu army. Wanting and preparing are two different things.

It seems to me that Tobi's only real goal is to make the world peaceful (in his own way). After all, "the ends justify the means." I personally don't believe that what Tobi is doing is wrong. But what do you all think?

In short:
Do you believe that Tobi's motives are bad?

If you post a reply, please explain your decision. I love CONSTRUCTIVE criticism! Also, please refrain from saying things such as "Fail thread", "Itachi/Nagato/Madara pwn Tobi", or "Itachi's Tsukuyomi is better". These do not contribute at all. Thanks!

 

[SilverSlick]

Just think of it as individualism vs. collectivism basically. Or Capitalism vs Socialism. Or Libertarianism vs. Communism.

 

[Hipster Madara]

I thought he had good motives until he said he didn't care about peace -___-

 

[HiddenSound]

Tobi's motives are not evil at all, but they're wrong. Tobi thinks he is saving the world, I view it more as destroying the world.

 

[KiraTsurugi32]

I believe it's wrong because everything that we live has a meaning, even if it is bad. and anyway, who would live a fake life1? xD

 

[AP2k]

Nothing is "unjust". Everything is from a certain standpoint, its impossible to objectively look at something involving morals and come up with a definitive "yes/no". Whats "good" to you may be "bad" to someone else, and we, as human beings, don't (more like shouldnt) have the right to impose our moral standpoints on others. But thats just my nihilistic view, i can't prove myself right, but no one can prove me wrong.
Great threa btw, was gunna make one like it actually xD

 

[SilverSlick]

I thought he had good motives until he said he didn't care about peace -___-

Lol, you know deep down, deep inside, Tobi has a yearning for peace because he once had a little Johnny and a beautiful wife named Carolyne and a dog named Skip, who were all brutally murdered during a war, and possibly raped or sold off as slaves.

 

[DimLord Urza]

Tobi is a good boy.

 

[Shame]

Think of it like this George bush invading afghan and then pulling out cause it was a waste of time.

 

[Mgumbo]

Nothing is "unjust". Everything is from a certain standpoint, its impossible to objectively look at something involving morals and come up with a definitive "yes/no". Whats "good" to you may be "bad" to someone else, and we, as human beings, don't (more like shouldnt) have the right to impose our moral standpoints on others. But thats just my nihilistic view, i can't prove myself right, but no one can prove me wrong.
Great threa btw, was gunna make one like it actually xD

A viewpoint that I share, although my own morals will often conflict with such. =) Appreciate the post!

 

[Redd]

Think of it like this George bush invading afghan and then pulling out cause it was a waste of time.

But he had to make the world safe for democracyxd

 

[Mgumbo]

Think of it like this George bush invading afghan and then pulling out cause it was a waste of time.

I'm afraid I don't understand the analogy.

 

[AP2k]

But he had to make the world safe for democracyxd

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaha yeah ok. You left out the part about oil.

 

[SilverSlick]

Yeah, me neither. Mine was better

 

[GreenV]

It's wrong because he's a villain ....

o wait..

 

[Mgumbo]

It's wrong because he's a villain ....

o wait..

Villains have a say too!

 

[SilverSlick]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaha yeah ok. You left out the part about oil.

Yeah and Opium. And we're still in Afghanistan.

 

[Joon]

Tobi motives are acceptable in my view, however, it controls individualities that makes Naruto-verse Human. Instead of talks, where an understanding could be made with littleness to no progression, Tobi is forcing the world into submission to his Plan which in terms are unjustifiable. It does not make him evil or a villian, but a realism and extremism, I guess.

 

[Hashirama Senju 48]

Tobi is a good guy; he is just doing things the wrong way...Like Nagato

 

[Mgumbo]

Tobi motives are acceptable in my view, however, it controls individualities that makes Naruto-verse Human. Instead of talks, where an understanding could be made with littleness to no progression, Tobi is forcing the world into submission to his Plan which in terms are unjustifiable. It does not make him evil or a villian, but a realism and extremism, I guess.

These are the kind of answers I enjoy reading. =) Thanks!