Applauding Arkansas’ Fight for Life

[Jobrjo]

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Arkansas legislators have been busy trying to protect unborn children from the slaughter that has ravaged out country since 1973. Their latest volley of artillery against child murder is a bill that passed the Arkansas Senate Thursday, January 31, 2013. This bill, known as the Arkansas Human Heartbeat Protection Act, will potentially “ban most abortions when a fetal heartbeat is detected, a move that would prohibit the procedure as early as five weeks into pregnancy” (Parker, 2013). The bill passed in the Senate by a 26-8 vote.

Those opposed to the bill, especially members and spokespeople for Planned Parenthood, railed against it. Murry Newbern, a lobbyist for the organization, said, “The bottom line is that a woman, not politicians, should make the informed decisions when it comes to her own pregnancy” (Parker, 2013). Such thinking is as illogical as it is immoral. Would anyone contend that a mother should make the “informed decision” to shoot her 18-month-old because he is an inconvenience to her? Would right-thinking people argue that a mother has the right to decide if her five-year-old deserves to live based on her own economic situation or unwillingness to provide for the child? Certainly not. One of the primary duties of our government is to protect the lives of its citizenry, born or unborn; a duty that our government has criminally neglected to do for the last 40 years.

Praise God that there are still some in our nation who have not given up the fight for life. As Jerry Cox, the President of the Family Council of Arkansas, stated about the recent bill and other similar legislation that passed in the Arkansas Senate: “These bills are some of the best pieces of pro-life legislation in the nation and today they all got positive votes” (as quoted in Parker, 2013). Would to God that every person with a conscience and concern for human life would take a stand against the murder of innocent children. Let your voice be heard among those demanding that all human life is valuable, including and especially, that of innocent children.

[NOTE: The Bible clearly teaches that human life begins at conception, not at the point at which a heartbeat is detected (see Miller, 2003). The Arkansas Senate bill prohibitions makes illegal a bulk of the abortions that currently take place in the state, and in that sense, is a major step in the right direction. In truth, Christians should not stop fighting for unborn life until all human life from the point of conception is recognized as sacred.]

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AP -> America's Culture War -> Abortion -> Applauding Arkansas’ Fight for Life

 

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

amen. People mostly only want abortions because they had unprotected *** and do not want to be "responsible" for their actions. So they give up that responsibility. The thing is though, than you start talking about those people who are raped and impregnated. Than they think that they should give up the baby. The baby though didn't do anything wrong. Even though it was under extreme and horrible conditions, that baby is innocent. I am glad that there are those who realize the truth. Good post.

 

[Kages]

Amen to that, sir. :T_T:

 

[Darthlawsuit]

Not sure if I support this or not. Nothing worse than growing up knowing that no one wanted you and that you were abandoned by your parents. If kids wouldn't be abandoned or blamed for ruining the parents life then banning abortion would be a good thing, but it doesn't work so nicely.

 

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

Not sure if I support this or not. Nothing worse than growing up knowing that no one wanted you and that you were abandoned by your parents. If kids wouldn't be abandoned or blamed for ruining the parents life then banning abortion would be a good thing, but it doesn't work so nicely.

which is why we as those who were blessed should stand up and change things. Every day countless people suffer daily while we sit here and type on the computer doing absolutely nothing. Even worse, some know this and still they do nothing. I do not know how to change the world yet, but one day, I hope to change how things are. So that those who are abandoned, those who do struggle, will have hope to cling to a better tomorrow. It sounds cheesy I know, but hey, some one has to at least try, otherwise it won't ever be seen through.

 

[Darthlawsuit]

which is why we as those who were blessed should stand up and change things. Every day countless people suffer daily while we sit here and type on the computer doing absolutely nothing. Even worse, some know this and still they do nothing. I do not know how to change the world yet, but one day, I hope to change how things are. So that those who are abandoned, those who do struggle, will have hope to cling to a better tomorrow. It sounds cheesy I know, but hey, some one has to at least try, otherwise it won't ever be seen through.

You can't force dead beat parents to care about their kids no matter how hard you try. You can only try to make sure the next generation doesn't have as many dead beats. There will always be worthless parents and unwanted children. I look at abortion as a way of preventing unwanted children from suffering all their lives and being mentally abused.

I personally know someone that tried to be aborted but the abortion failed and she suffered greatly through her childhood because she was unwanted. She is just lucky that she had other family members that was worth a damn that made up for bad parents.

 

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

You can't force dead beat parents to care about their kids no matter how hard you try. You can only try to make sure the next generation doesn't have as many dead beats. There will always be worthless parents and unwanted children. I look at abortion as a way of preventing unwanted children from suffering all their lives and being mentally abused.

I personally know someone that tried to be aborted but the abortion failed and she suffered greatly through her childhood because she was unwanted. She is just lucky that she had other family members that was worth a damn that made up for bad parents.

Not saying you should force them to. What I think though, is that those who are born differently should be those kids best friends. Or at least try to be their for them. Most kids I see now just judge people and if they are not the popular kid than their not worth their time. Parents will be parents. They choose how they treat their kid. Yes, even though there will always be parents who do not want their kids, their should be those out there who will take them in and be the parents they need. Think of it this way though, when a "mother" has a baby inside her, regardless of the circumstances, that child is a child. It is a living breathing miracle. Giving up that child's right to live is just wrong. People will go on and on about how, well its not fair for me, its too much responsibility, I "accidentally" got pregnant, these things are a few reasons people get an abortion, that or a teenager can't keep it in his pants and has *** with another teenager who intern creates a baby. That child should live and shame on the parents for getting an abortion. It is shameful that your friend was treated like that. I hope that you and others will care and treasure her for who she is. Just the feeling of being wanted by someone is enough reason for living. Goodnight and God bless.

 

[Aim64C]

Arkansas can do what Arkansas wants.

However, I am strictly opposed to this.

The ethical discussion is defunct, and here is why:

1) Establishing an unborn fetus as a legal human life that cannot be voluntarily terminated by another party effectively forces the decision of parenthood upon -some- party.

2) No law can reasonably guarantee the quality of this protected life, nor can it provide the means to properly care for this child into adulthood. This forces responsibility for the upbringing of the child onto some non-specified party.

3) Laws such as this effectively force personal and market choices upon some party of individuals.

4) The arguments supporting the establishing of a legal "time of life" separate from a time of birth is largely based on passing references to religious scriptures. This is dangerously close to theocratic rule, and should be given intense scrutiny.

You all can bark all you want to about how it is "pro life"

The only thing I see is anti-choice.

I don't believe abortion will ever be an acceptable choice in any situation I will be presented with. That said - I do not completely exclude it, nor do I feel that I have been given the ability to predetermine what is and is not a proper choice for other individuals.

I believe that my way of living is a very logical and functional philosophy: "Any time, before you have ***, make sure you are prepared to deal with the consequences; whether you use protection or not." I believe in that bit of wisdom that my father passed on to me. I believe in the moral standings I intend to pass on to my children.

Which is exactly why I do not feel it necessary to pass a law regarding those moral standings. I am confident that my view is a sensible one and that my children (and those I have a strong influence on in life) will be able to see that sensibility and will likely adopt it into their own life.

And I don't see it as my place to try and force people into doing what I see as right using the law. Because I also think a lot of people are relatively stupid and can't make good use of their money - so they should all give me a dollar out of their paycheck. That's not much for each person to give - and I could certainly make better use of 300 million dollars every couple weeks than most corporations can... even rival our government's productivity with its 3 trillion dollar a year budget.

Anyway - there's another argument to be made, here:

There is one reason I would ever intervene in a person's decision to get an abortion:

If I were willing to raise that child, myself, and committed to seeing that through.

With orphanages and the foster care system overflowing... I really don't see how anyone can stand there and make the argument that we need to force more babies to be born.

Unless those same people are, also, volunteering to be put into a 'draft' where they are selected to raise each child born to a parent that would have, otherwise, chose to abort.

Again... is abortion something I think we are 'supposed' to do? No. Do I think God wants us to resort to it? No, I don't.

But, there again... if God doesn't see fit to strike you with a bolt of lightning every time you've done something even atheists agree he'd be against you doing... what makes you feel entitled to impose adversity upon people who make those choices?

Laws should exist to preserve and facilitate functionality, not to create state-sponsored morality.

 

[Anorien16]

Prevention is better than cure: Perhaps a law which lets the government take care of children born to economically distressed families and then perhaps subsidies protection equipment will reduce need of abortions . . . . . . I dont want children to be born only to be hated or raised in a bad environment.

As for the law, while it is reasonable but it should take care of exceptional cases such as the Lady who was miscarrying her child died in Ireland bcos they refused to abort . . . . .

 

[YowYan]

This thread's logic is backed by religious fed moral standards..
And why do ignorant members keep calling others ignorant? The irony is pissing me off lol xD

 

[Frankenstein]

This thread's logic is backed by religious fed moral standards..
And why do ignorant members keep calling others ignorant? The irony is pissing me off lol xD

Thanks for saving me the time to read that wall. My initial suspicion is apparently correct.

 

[GEIxBattleRifle]

They're attempting to ban abortions pass 12 weeks and PP and others have about 3 months to knock this down.

91% of abortions done in Arkansas are in the first trimester anyways so even if this still passed without being challenged it would have little affect.

Those who pass the first trimester can just go to a different state that allows second trimster abortions.

 

[Anorien16]

I don't life by the bible, so I guess I'm allowed to abort children.

Since the Al Quida is not under American Law I think I am allowed can ask them to shoot/bomb you.....

 

[Anorien16]

As long as you do it after Wednesday, I have a doctors appointment on Tuesday.

Since actually I have to edit your comment to something that seems like u insulted them and then release it in social circles related to them and wait for them to find out and declare a fatwa against u..... so I really dont know how long it will take. So sorry if they react rather fast.

 

[Anorien16]

I understand, I guess I have to move my appointment to Monday.

Really sorry there.

 

[GEIxBattleRifle]

......

Where is your philosophical case for what constiutes a person?

Defining what a person is can be complex and has nothing to do with being biologically the member of the species homo sapien

 

[GEIxBattleRifle]

This thread's logic is backed by religious fed moral standards..
And why do ignorant members keep calling others ignorant? The irony is pissing me off lol xD

They need to realize that morals and values are arbitrary.

Morals and values change from generation to generation and this is true from what societies were back in the days.

It's pretty much out with the old in with the new and the religious are trying to enforce the old still while the majority of the newer generations disagree with them.

 

[Jobrjo]

Where is your philosophical case for what constiutes a person?

Defining what a person is can be complex and has nothing to do with being biologically the member of the species homo sapien

One the egg is fertilized, it is a human.

However, if one is to believe evolution, then it really doesn't matter. Even if you're 50. All you would be is a more evolved being.
I assume you believe in evolution, and if so was to be true, than logically you'd be right. But because I know it is a false "theory", I know that's not the case.

 

[GEIxBattleRifle]

1. One the egg is fertilized, it is a human.

2. However, if one is to believe evolution, then it really doesn't matter. Even if you're 50. All you would be is a more evolved being.
I assume you believe in evolution, and if so was to be true, than logically you'd be right. But because I know it is a false "theory", I know that's not the case.

1. What defines a person has nothing to do with being a human. Only people which is the plural for persons are granted the right to life.

2. Evolution has nothing to do with what defines a person

I will ask again where is your philosophical case for what defines a person?

 

[Jobrjo]

1. What defines a person has nothing to do with being a human. Only people which is the plural for persons are granted the right to life.

2. Evolution has nothing to do with what defines a person

I will ask again where is your philosophical case for what defines a person?

In that case, I consider any organism post-egg-fertilization a person.