[Discussion] Anyone hear of this before?

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The discovery of a small community in the Dominican Republic, where some males are born looking like girls and only grow penises at puberty, has led to the development of a blockbuster drug that has helped millions of people, writes Michael Mosley.

Johnny lives in a small town in the Dominican Republic where he, and others like him, are known as "Guevedoces", which effectively translates as "penis at twelve".

more info vv but only excerpts of the BBC article, best to click link if your interested.
We came across Johnny when we were filming for a new BBC Two series Countdown to Life, which looks at how we develop in the womb and how those changes, normal and abnormal, impact us later in life.

Like the other Guevedoces, Johnny was brought up as a girl because he had no visible testes or penis and what appeared to be a vagina. It is only when he approached puberty that his penis grew and testicles descended.

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.So why does it happen? Well, one of the first people to study this unusual condition was Dr Julianne Imperato-McGinley, from Cornell Medical College in New York. In the 1970s she made her way to this remote part of the Dominican Republic, drawn by extraordinary reports of girls turning into boys.

When she got there she found the rumours were true. She did lots of studies on the Guevedoces (including what must have been rather painful biopsies of their testicles) before finally unravelling the mystery of what was going on.

When you are conceived you normally have a pair of X chromosomes if you are to become a girl and a set of XY chromosomes if you are destined to be male.

For the first weeks of life in womb you are neither, though in both sexes nipples start to grow.

Then, around eight weeks after conception, the *** hormones kick in. If you're genetically male the Y chromosome instructs your gonads to become testicles and sends testosterone to a structure called the tubercle, where it is converted into a more potent hormone called dihydro-testosterone This in turn transforms the tubercle into a penis. If you're female and you don't make dihydro-testosterone then your tubercle becomes a clitoris.
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A final interesting observation that Imperato-McGinley made was that these boys, despite being brought up as girls, almost all showed strong heterosexual preferences. She concluded in her seminal paper that hormones in the womb matter more than rearing when it comes to your sexual orientation.



After the couple of trans threads Ive seen lately, I was wondering what people with this condition would be treated like, IF it were common in America or Europe.

Also curious what this would do for people who want to change their ***.


sidenote: reminds me of that immortal from UQ holder.
 
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The descending of the testicles should happen very early in life, if it took the kid 12 years for anything to occur, this isn't normal in the least. When you have a "small town" of "only a couple having this trait", then what we have here is what could be a bottleneck of gene transfer and should be considered an exception to the norm. I assume the boy is healthy otherwise? It could just be a genetic oversight that was rectified later.
 

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The descending of the testicles should happen very early in life, if it took the kid 12 years for anything to occur, this isn't normal in the least. When you have a "small town" of "only a couple having this trait", then what we have here is what could be a bottleneck of gene transfer and should be considered an exception to the norm. I assume the boy is healthy otherwise? It could just be a genetic oversight that was rectified later.
check the article out, im sure it'd lose something if i tried to explain it. but yea hes normal other wise. and it inst very common at all. but the implications are vast if i understand correctly.
 

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check the article out, im sure it'd lose something if i tried to explain it. but yea hes normal other wise. and it inst very common at all. but the implications are vast if i understand correctly.
The science checks out, what the article explains is taught in Biology II classrooms in every college (testes = ovaries, labia = scrotum, clitoris = penis, etc.). So it seems it still applies to this child, however, the variation of the length of time it takes for him to enter puberty is "cranked to 11". There's variation in the time all of us take in the adolescent route, his just seems to be an extreme, rare version. Poor guy.
 

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The science checks out, what the article explains is taught in Biology II classrooms in every college (testes = ovaries, labia = scrotum, clitoris = penis, etc.). So it seems it still applies to this child, however, the variation of the length of time it takes for him to enter puberty is "cranked to 11". There's variation in the time all of us take in the adolescent route, his just seems to be an extreme, rare version. Poor guy.
thankyou, that broadened my understanding of it.
 
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Wait most of them are raised as a girls but they still like girls cuz somewhere deep down they knew their inner selves????? SOUNDS LIKE WE GOT A DISNEY MOVIE! No but seriously I didn't know this and that's fairly interesting.
 
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