Any Thoughts On The Death Sentence Verdict For Dzhokhar Tsarnaev?

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I know I'm really late on this by like a week, but Dzhokhar Tsarnaev the Boston Marathon Bomber was sentenced to death by a jury of 7 women and 5 men unanimously chose the Death Penalty for Tsarnaev.

Me personally I would've chosen Life in Prison w/out Parole so that way he would be out of the headlines for a while and hopefully the city of Boston can forget about the tragedy and move on. Because of the death sentence verdict, he will have to go through numerous appeals and may have to wait at least 10+ years before actually being executed by lethal injection.
 

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his name looks like the result of someone banging their head against a keyboard
 

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his name looks like the result of someone banging their head against a keyboard

Well he is Russian so yea, Russian names are usually very complex and difficult to pronounce
 

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Life in Prison w/out Parole is the best choice, people need to think sometimes, death isn't the worst punishment. The worst punishment is watching your life go to waste away from your loved ones, food, entertainment, etc until your death.
 

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Well he is Russian so yea, Russian names are usually very complex and difficult to pronounce

even after what he did, i still dont think he should get death
it should be life in prison, imo
 

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Not a fan of him getting the easy way out.
 

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Life in Prison w/out Parole is the best choice, people need to think sometimes, death isn't the worst punishment. The worst punishment is watching your life go to waste away from your loved ones, food, entertainment, etc until your death.

True, in the boat that he was hiding, he did write something about being a martyr and that his brother will go to heaven
He waned the death penalty and the jury gave him that
tbh I am a little shocked when I saw this

Also, during the appeals his sentence could turn around to Life in Prison, but we'll see in the 10 years of the appeals
 

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even after what he did, i still dont think he should get death
it should be life in prison, imo

The main reason why the jury in the first place ever chose death was because he bombed an 8 year old kid (Martin Richard) and 26 year old (Lingzi Liu)

He was also suspected to have killed Sean Collier, a MIT Campus Officer
 

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Not a fan of him getting the easy way out.

Me neither, but his attorneys and the judge can still give him Life In Prison if the appeals don't really work out too well
 
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i wasnt expecting the death penalty. it was said he didnt show remorse and probably wanted to reunite with his brother. he should sit in jail and get shanked xD
 

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Life in prison without parole would be better option, that way he could sit there and repent for what he did for the rest of his life, maybe even find retribution of his acts, killing someone off is killing off a lot of possibilities.
 

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Well treason/terrorism is a capital crime if there ever was one in this country. Ideally giving him life would give him some time to grow and reform before dying, but that doesn't always happen and our jails are already crowded with people who deserve death even more. It's a shame he had to die so young, he seemed like a smart kid and probably would have had a bright future if he wasn't so naive.
 

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I'm against the death penalty. It'll end up being more expensive than life in prison.
 

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Just saves us money from having to feed, clothe, and shelter him.

And do you honestly think that a case as solid as that will have to face appeals? He blatantly bombed the Boston marathon, this isn't like an average homicide were new evidence is consistently arising.
 

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I'm against the death penalty. It'll end up being more expensive than life in prison.

That's simply because of appeals practices.

Just rape his anus with a cactus until he bleeds out. Throw him in a 6 foot deep hole and cover it up. Done. No need to pay to keep feeding him, to pay the guards to watch him, etc.

Prison is an insanely illogical idea. We put people in these institutions because we recognize they are too dangerous to be let loose in the streets. We have no intention of ever letting them out of these places so long as they live and we pretend like we have the moral high-ground because we didn't take their life.

We just, instead, told them that they can't have any life aside from one in a prison.

Because, you know, ethics.

If their crime is so heinous and patterned that it can't be resolved with a fine, then they should be allowed one appeal before they are killed not more than ten minutes after the verdict of the appeal is read. A firing squad is sufficient for the task.
 

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That's simply because of appeals practices.

Just rape his anus with a cactus until he bleeds out. Throw him in a 6 foot deep hole and cover it up. Done. No need to pay to keep feeding him, to pay the guards to watch him, etc.

Prison is an insanely illogical idea. We put people in these institutions because we recognize they are too dangerous to be let loose in the streets. We have no intention of ever letting them out of these places so long as they live and we pretend like we have the moral high-ground because we didn't take their life.

We just, instead, told them that they can't have any life aside from one in a prison.

Because, you know, ethics.

If their crime is so heinous and patterned that it can't be resolved with a fine, then they should be allowed one appeal before they are killed not more than ten minutes after the verdict of the appeal is read. A firing squad is sufficient for the task.

Appeals exist for a reason and your simplification of the problem is not an actual solution. I'm talking about people like the West Memphis Three who were incarcerated for 20 years and then acquitted.

But anyways, while it's generally true that people don't like life in prison, most of them would rather be alive in prison than dead. Which is kinda why we don't have a greater trend for prison suicides (though I will admit there are already a considerable number with people like Ricky Kasso, there are also those like Richard Chase who don't kill themselves because they are in prison, but because they are crazy and would probably kill themselves anyway.) There are people who don't care any which way where they are and are fine getting along in prison. Like Charles Manson.



And then there are people who just don't show up to parole because they want to stay in prison because they think they have a better purpose there than in the outside world. Like David Berkowitz.

I don't honestly care about the ethics of the death penalty because I think claiming to have a higher moral ground is flawed. But I'd rather have money going to other things than to have the latest criminal executed because it probably will be more expensive. Whether that's because of appeals or not.

But in some cases, people are given the chance for parole (mistakenly, I might add) even if they committed highly disturbing crimes. One of my personal favorite examples (sorry, this one's from the Canadian justice system) is Karla Homolka. Helped Paul Bernardo rape and kill kiddies. Now he's still locked up and she's been free for awhile. She even has a family now.

In the case of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, there is no doubt he committed the crime of which he was accused. I could care less if he gets executed. But if he does, I want it to be fast because the appeals system is currently very flawed. If our appeal system were better I might have a different response and say, "Sure. Let him fry!" Because I do buy into our violent culture. But he probably will get appeals now and he'll be alive for a long time. It happened with Richard Ramirez (who still had appeals in process at the time of his death.) It's happening with Rodney Alcala. People who are sentenced to death or who are high-profile end up getting protection from other inmates and kept in more secure areas. Death row is really just a place where inmates go to die of natural causes.
 

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Well treason/terrorism is a capital crime if there ever was one in this country. Ideally giving him life would give him some time to grow and reform before dying, but that doesn't always happen and our jails are already crowded with people who deserve death even more. It's a shame he had to die so young, he seemed like a smart kid and probably would have had a bright future if he wasn't so naive.

True, our jails are being overcrowded with more people committing worse acts out there than what Dzhokhar did. It is a shame that he's going to die really young. He was in college with a vision of being a dentist, but started winding down because of his addiction with smoking weed. Also he managed to get 3 of his friends involved with this and each of them are serving 25 year terms
 

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i wasnt expecting the death penalty. it was said he didnt show remorse and probably wanted to reunite with his brother. he should sit in jail and get shanked xD

Well he only showed a tiny bit of remorse. A nun testified during his trial that he felt "sorry" for the victims and nobody should "suffer like they did" and not to mention that he started crying when his aunts and cousins testified
 

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Appeals exist for a reason and your simplification of the problem is not an actual solution. I'm talking about people like the West Memphis Three who were incarcerated for 20 years and then acquitted.

This is exactly why we shouldn't have jails.

"If they are innocent, we can let them out, later." This sort of bargaining for guilt is common place in the current criminal justice system.

Technically, if there isn't enough evidence to kill them, there isn't enough evidence to fine them for a parking ticket, either. Realistically, it's easier to recover from the fine than it is from 20 years in prison.

But anyways, while it's generally true that people don't like life in prison, most of them would rather be alive in prison than dead.

If they are innocent, then they don't belong in prison.

If they are guilty of something that makes them so dangerous as to not let out on the street, why, pray tell, should we be concerned with what they want?

Which is kinda why we don't have a greater trend for prison suicides (though I will admit there are already a considerable number with people like Ricky Kasso, there are also those like Richard Chase who don't kill themselves because they are in prison, but because they are crazy and would probably kill themselves anyway.) There are people who don't care any which way where they are and are fine getting along in prison. Like Charles Manson.

So, not only do we send food to them and pay to have guards take care of them... we also endeavor to keep them from causing harm to themselves.

Let's manicure a tumor.

And then there are people who just don't show up to parole because they want to stay in prison because they think they have a better purpose there than in the outside world. Like David Berkowitz.

Again, why do we even have such institutions for them to abuse?

I don't honestly care about the ethics of the death penalty because I think claiming to have a higher moral ground is flawed. But I'd rather have money going to other things than to have the latest criminal executed because it probably will be more expensive. Whether that's because of appeals or not.



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The death penalty process is more complicated because a life is on the line. Capital cases involve more lawyers, more witnesses, more experts, a longer jury selection process, more pre-trial motions, an entirely separate trial for sentencing, and countless other expenses – racking up exorbitant costs before a single appeal is even filed.
Most death penalty trials are found to be significantly flawed and must be re-done, sometimes more than once, adding to the high cost.
In most cases where the death penalty is sought, it is never imposed. And even when it is imposed, it is rarely carried out. Yet taxpayers are saddled with the death penalty’s extra costs even in cases where the defendant is not sentenced to death or executed. "


Here's the simple solution:

Get rid of incarceration as a possible sentence. You are left with execution, mandatory service/education/fines, and acquittal.

If what they have done isn't bad enough to make them worth killing, then it isn't bad enough to take away any more time of their life than the trial has, already.

But in some cases, people are given the chance for parole (mistakenly, I might add) even if they committed highly disturbing crimes. One of my personal favorite examples (sorry, this one's from the Canadian justice system) is Karla Homolka. Helped Paul Bernardo rape and kill kiddies. Now he's still locked up and she's been free for awhile. She even has a family now.

This is why you simply tell the police where to find the bodies of the people who attacked your children.

But that's not really here or there. Again - if they aren't worth killing, then they aren't worth depriving of life. It's that simple. If a jury can't find the evidence or stones to put them to death, then I'm willing to take the risk living with them in society. If someone is -really- a problem, then there will be a pattern of events surrounding their life that will make it far easier to convince a jury... or far harder to make an arrest of a live individual.

In the case of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, there is no doubt he committed the crime of which he was accused. I could care less if he gets executed. But if he does, I want it to be fast because the appeals system is currently very flawed. If our appeal system were better I might have a different response and say, "Sure. Let him fry!" Because I do buy into our violent culture. But he probably will get appeals now and he'll be alive for a long time. It happened with Richard Ramirez (who still had appeals in process at the time of his death.) It's happening with Rodney Alcala. People who are sentenced to death or who are high-profile end up getting protection from other inmates and kept in more secure areas. Death row is really just a place where inmates go to die of natural causes.

Frankly, we put far too many people in prison to begin with, and we have far too many people on trial for things that shouldn't even be a crime, which makes the appeals process even more lengthy and bloats the system even further.

In my estimation, we use the prison system as an excuse. We see a crime and want revenge for the crime - so we want to see someone go to jail for it (and perhaps we also want to feel as if we are securing ourselves against the problem). However, since it's very difficult to come across cases where you've eliminated all reasonable doubt - it's very difficult to get people to agree to killing a person under suspicion of a crime (or multiple crimes).

Thus, it's a sort of bargain - we lower our 'reasonable' standards for doubt when discussing imprisonment because we can always rationalize that the person can be let free if further evidence comes to light.

But in the mean time - if they are correct - they are safe and have also gotten 'justice.'

Which is why I absolutely despise the incarceration system.
 

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Execute him or put him in general population. Either way he should just die.
 
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