Any kages besides hashi that can beat the 3rd raikage?

[Mrmojo8484]

1- Minato:

A, the Third son's admitted that there is no man can surpass Minato. Pretty sure he knows about his father's ability.

2- Hiruzen:

He hat the wind element, and was stated to be the strongest.

3- Onoki & Mu.

they can fly, and use jinton, if they touch the Raikage they can make him light, or very heavy that he can't more.

4- Yagura

He can use his mirror jutsu to, and thus making the Raikage more or less attack himself with his jutsu

5- Hashirama

His Buddha.

That's the kages that we know off, the others either they can't, or we don't really know anything about them.

Dude...he took a point blank wind rashuriken. No wind attack can hurt him, I dont care what his son said about minato besides, he was speaking of their generation.

You really think oonoki will touch him? This is sad. You know nothing about the manga.

 

[A v i]

The 3rd is more resilient and more powerful overall than his son by feats. The only advantage Ay has is speed.

So that makes him far stronger than his son?

Where was it stated that Minato "DEFEATED" Ay many times? All that was stated was that they "FOUGHT" many times.Given the fact that Ay is alive, it's stupid to assume that Minato beat him every single time.

When you fought someone and came to a conclusion that not only you but no other person(atleast the people that he know of) can beat him and keep beliving the same thing even 17y after the death of that person.it is obviously means that he defeated you.Ay is definitely one of those arrogant bastards that won't acknowledge others superiority no matter what but still Minato made him admit that he is inferior to Minato on top of that he made him belive that no other shiobi can surpass him.Ay as well as Bee holds considerable respect for Minato despite of being his enemies which explains why Ay is still alive.Minato must have spared his life which is why Ay holds that much respect for Minato.

Naruto's "trick" was obvious. There was nothing unpredictable about it. The third would know based on his moves that he had figured out his weakness.

No,it was clearly not.

Not that is a factor, as we don't even know if Minato will figure it out in the first place!

I have already told you that Iam against the argument of Minato figuring his weakness,everything I have been trying to tell you is Raikage would feel for Naruto's trick even if he is alive.

FCD isn't doing anything to hurt the 3rd Raikage. Alive minato has zero ways of killing the third-a kunai or a rasnegan isn't going to cut. And, no the third can't touch minato, but his stamina is greater by feats.(fought 10000 shinobis for 3 days straight) so he can outlast him.

As I said b4 there is nothing I can do if you really think Raikage'll remain uneffected even after a bijju sized toad sits on top of him.

Raikage foungh for 3days but nothing implies that he can keep his armor for 3 days.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Danzo beats his ass.

 

[Conspirator.]

So that makes him far stronger than his son?



When you fought someone and came to a conclusion that not only you but no other person(atleast the people that he know of) can beat him and keep beliving the same thing even 17y after the death of that person.it is obviously means that he defeated you.Ay is definitely one of those arrogant bastards that won't acknowledge others superiority no matter what but still Minato made him admit that he is inferior to Minato on top of that he made him belive that no other shiobi can surpass him.Ay as well as Bee holds considerable respect for Minato despite of being his enemies which explains why Ay is still alive.Minato must have spared his life which is why Ay holds that much respect for Minato.



No,it was clearly not.



I have already told you that Iam against the argument of Minato figuring his weakness,everything I have been trying to tell you is Raikage would feel for Naruto's trick even if he is alive.


As I said b4 there is nothing I can do if you really think Raikage'll remain uneffected even after a bijju sized toad sits on top of him.

Raikage foungh for 3days but nothing implies that he can keep his armor for 3 days.

A:Even without his armour, his body is as hard as iron. His body is special, which is why he can survive mabui's teleportation and tanked a rasenshuriken(even though his armour had the elemental disadvantage) with minimal damage
B:The 3rd is stronger, he has black lightning, nukite, superior stamina. The only advantage Ay has is v2 raiton, but even then he can't maintain it for long.
C:Still, we have no idea what happened in their "fights" Just because he said he was strong, doesn't mean he lost to him every time. After Killer bee fought sasuke, he called him "the strongest he had fought"(prior to the war) inspite of the fact that killer bee raped sasuke. So that isn't good evidence
D:FCD isn't doing anything to him-you can't convince me that it can.Alive Minato has zero ways of killing him, that's the bottom line.

 

[GodKage]

1st 2nd 3rd 4th hokage and Mu

 

[GodKage]

And hashirama beats him low dif

 

[Touken]

Muu, Onoki and Tobirama.

 

[A v i]

A:Even without his armour, his body is as hard as iron. His body is special, which is why he can survive mabui's teleportation and tanked a rasenshuriken(even though his armour had the elemental disadvantage) with minimal damage

As far as I know Ay survived same teleportation jutsu with 0 damage so there is nothing special about 3rd compared to 4th in this regard.3rd Tanked it with armor so plz don't talk as if 3rd tanked it without armor just because Naruto has elemental advantage.4th Raikage can use lightning armor and even Sasuke's unstoppable chidori sword was repelled by his armor and Sasuke can barely touch him even with chidori so u shouldn't underestimate 4th.3rd's defence is better than 4th but that dosen't mean that he is far above his son.

B:The 3rd is stronger, he has black lightning, nukite, superior stamina. The only advantage Ay has is v2 raiton, but even then he can't maintain it for long.

Everything u have mentioned in this post exept his black lightning is nothing more than your own assumption,Ay also has similar attack to

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Nothing you have mentioned puts him far above his son,4th is more or less on par with his father in every category you have mentioned.I can understand if you think 3rd is stronger but I don't understand what exactly made you belive that 3rd is far stronger than his son.

C:Still, we have no idea what happened in their "fights" Just because he said he was strong, doesn't mean he lost to him every time.

You don't have to know what exactly happend to say that Minato is stronger when manga clearly suggests that Minato is stronger than him.If manga says Hashirama defeated Madara then it is obviously means that Hashirama is stronger.Here Raikage stated that Minato beat him on more than one occasion not just once and you still want to know what exactly happend b/w them? Dude thinks that he is inferior to Minato even nearly after 20Y of Minato's death,that alone explains how superior Minato is.

Simple as that.

After Killer bee fought sasuke, he called him "the strongest he had fought"(prior to the war) inspite of the fact that killer bee raped sasuke. So that isn't good evidence

No,I have requested for original Japanese translation of that page in NF & Bee said that he is top one or two among the people that he fought.
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Btw Ay also fought Sasuke and no need to mention he witnessed Susanoo unlike Bee but still he was sure about no one being able to beat Minato where as Bee was not sure about his opinion.

D:FCD isn't doing anything to him-you can't convince me that it can.Alive Minato has zero ways of killing him, that's the bottom line.

Lmao,Iam not even trying to convince you here & I have no reason to do so.Your free to belive whateven you want and it is irrelevant for me.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

Bottom line is, no leaf hokage, besides hashi, has shown any attack that would even make the 3rd raikage flinch. Minato can speed blitz all he wants...him, tobirama or hiruzen will never get past raiton armor. This is fact.

 

[m33km00k]

Death Reaper Seal might work against him.

 

[Ababeel]

Dude...he took a point blank wind rashuriken. No wind attack can hurt him, I dont care what his son said about minato besides, he was speaking of their generation.

You really think oonoki will touch him? This is sad. You know nothing about the manga.

1- Temerai's wind jutsu cut him into pieces. U_U
2- I don't care if you care or not, however I do care that it was stated in the manga. And no where in A's statement did he say "in our generation" you just made that up. U_U

3- I don't see why not, also I'm sure that I said "If they touch him" I did not say they can for sure, not did I say they will win for sure.
you asked who can win, and they can win, whether they win more times than not, or not is irrelevant.

Yeah sure, I can't know anything, when you know everything. U_U

Bottom line is, no leaf homage, besides hashi, has shown any attack that would even make the 3rd raikage flinch. Minato can speed blitz all he wants...him, tobirama or hiruzen will never get past raiton armor. This is fact.

Bottom line is, the 3rd was defeated by a normal rasengan.

 

[Gold Lightning]

1- Temerai's wind jutsu cut him into pieces. U_U
2- I don't care if you care or not, however I do care that it was stated in the manga. And no where in A's statement did he say "in our generation" you just made that up. U_U

3- I don't see why not, also I'm sure that I said "If they touch him" I did not say they can for sure, not did I say they will win for sure.
you asked who can win, and they can win, whether they win more times than not, or not is irrelevant.

Yeah sure, I can't know anything, when you know everything. U_U



Bottom line is, the 3rd was defeated by a normal rasengan.

To be fair, the only reason he got cut was because he wasn't in lightning armor. If he was then it would have done nothing. Plus it wasn't just Temari's jutsu, she combined a wide range jutsu with a couple other sand ninja too. And that's only after Raikage was screaming his weaknesses out to the,, he didn't even try to avoid the attack, which he could have with his speed.

He was defeated with a senjutsu enhanced Rasengan, way more powerful than a regular rasengan.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

You guys really put the third so highly above Mizukage Hozuki and Muu? They seemed to be equals being rivals and all and they both have techniques that put physical ninja (even though the Thirds tanking is ridiculous) at a disadvantage with alternative methods of fighting.

Muu can fly and become invisible, his jutsu don't blast or batter the enemy- they literally disintegrate. The Mizukage's moveset in general is ridiculously tricky and genjutsu could be his undoing. In my opinion they both stand a really good chance.

 

[Gold Lightning]

You guys really put the third so highly above Mizukage Hozuki and Muu? They seemed to be equals being rivals and all and they both have techniques that put physical ninja (even though the Thirds tanking is ridiculous) at a disadvantage with alternative methods of fighting.

Muu can fly and become invisible, his jutsu don't blast or batter the enemy- they literally disintegrate. The Mizukage's moveset in general is ridiculously tricky and genjutsu could be his undoing. In my opinion they both stand a really good chance.

Mu can fly and go invisible all he wants but he has to be visible to use Dust release, which is way too slow to hit the Raikage. Even Naruto landed his rasengan faster than Mu's attacks.

What will the 2nd Mizukage hurt the Raikage with? He has nothing to penetrate his skin with lightning armor.

 

[Madara Uzumaki Uchiha]

Wow- third raikage wank is surreal. His feats arenot that good.

Ohnoki can hit the third with dust release because of AOE. The attack can encompass a entire island,- raikage isnot avoiding that at all.

Muu gets a tie- raikage cannot hit him, Muu has a hard time tagging Raikage.

Minato- can teleport others,- teleports raikage to ocean

tobirama- edo tensei- raikage has no sealing justu, tobirama has his fuin justu to hit raikage with infiinite exploisions

second mizukage-with genjustu its a tie- raikage cannot hit him;-- eventually joki boy is going to beat/outlast him- since it lasts forever unless you can change its intenral structure like gaara did.

Orochimaru-edo tensei, snake form paralizes raikage.

danzo- shisui's eye, uses izanagi to survive hell stab,

hiruzen- 5- S class ninjustu takes raikage out,- emna takes him out- at worst hiruzen uses reaper seal

 

[Tobby17]

I'm pretty sure continuous gojou kibakufuda will take the third raikage

 

[Mrmojo8484]

Wow...his feats are not that great?

Ultimate sword and shield
10,000 ninja which could be considered a village
1 vs 1 rampaging 8 tails.

Now, ill admit, muu and oonoki stand a good chance because of dust release.

Minato or tobirama have no attacks that can HURT him, not sleep him, genjutsu etc.

Hiruzens five elements....yes its bad ass but lets keep it a hunnet, it will never touch the raikage...in fact hiruzen has nothing in his arsenal fast enough to hit him.

 

[A v i]

Wow...his feats are not that great?

Ultimate sword and shield
10,000 ninja which could be considered a village
1 vs 1 rampaging 8 tails.

Now, ill admit, muu and oonoki stand a good chance because of dust release.

Minato or tobirama have no attacks that can HURT him, not sleep him, genjutsu etc.

Hiruzens five elements....yes its bad ass but lets keep it a hunnet, it will never touch the raikage...in fact hiruzen has nothing in his arsenal fast enough to hit him.

Tobirama beats him with

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and for Minato,if his jutsu with long ass name is as strong as the hype suggests then he can beat him with that jutsu otherwise FCD followed by Rasengan should work on him though it is upto you whether to belive that FDC can force him to turn off his defence or not.

 

[Conspirator.]

As far as I know Ay survived same teleportation jutsu with 0 damage so there is nothing special about 3rd compared to 4th in this regard.3rd Tanked it with armor so plz don't talk as if 3rd tanked it without armor just because Naruto has elemental advantage.4th Raikage can use lightning armor and even Sasuke's unstoppable chidori sword was repelled by his armor and Sasuke can barely touch him even with chidori so u shouldn't underestimate 4th.3rd's defence is better than 4th but that dosen't mean that he is far above his son.


Everything u have mentioned in this post exept his black lightning is nothing more than your own assumption,Ay also has similar attack to

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Nothing you have mentioned puts him far above his son,4th is more or less on par with his father in every category you have mentioned.I can understand if you think 3rd is stronger but I don't understand what exactly made you belive that 3rd is far stronger than his son.



You don't have to know what exactly happend to say that Minato is stronger when manga clearly suggests that Minato is stronger than him.If manga says Hashirama defeated Madara then it is obviously means that Hashirama is stronger.Here Raikage stated that Minato beat him on more than one occasion not just once and you still want to know what exactly happend b/w them? Dude thinks that he is inferior to Minato even nearly after 20Y of Minato's death,that alone explains how superior Minato is.

Simple as that.



No,I have requested for original Japanese translation of that page in NF & Bee said that he is top one or two among the people that he fought.
Proof:

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Btw Ay also fought Sasuke and no need to mention he witnessed Susanoo unlike Bee but still he was sure about no one being able to beat Minato where as Bee was not sure about his opinion.



Lmao,Iam not even trying to convince you here & I have no reason to do so.Your free to belive whateven you want and it is irrelevant for me.

No, the 3rds durability shits on the 4th by feats-tanking a rasenshuriken with minimal damage is greater than anything AY. The third is stronger than his son-he has a greater amount of lightning attacks,black lightning, has greater stamina and endurance. The ONLY advantage ay has over the 3rd is v2, but he can't even maintain it for that long. Oh, and the viz translation DID say he was the strongest-unless I see translations better and more reliable than the viz, I stand by what I said.

Ay wouldn't complement sasuke-but he was so enraged that sasuke "kidnapped" bee, that he wasn't thinking properly in the fight. And even if Minato is far greater than Ay, it means jack with respect to the third. The bottom line is alive Minato has ZERO ways of killing the third. That's the truth, summoning giant toads is doing to anything to the third, not when he fought the 2nd strongest bijuu to a stalemate physically.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

E=R o r o n o a Z o r o;14810551]Tobirama beats him with

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and for Minato,if his jutsu with long ass name is as strong as the hype suggests then he can beat him with that jutsu otherwise FCD followed by Rasengan should work on him though it is upto you whether to belive that FDC can force him to turn off his defence or not.
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You've lost what little credibility you had saying minato can beat him with a jutsu we never seen.

Your logic is pathetic. And im going to show how pathetic it is. The 3rd raikage can solo minato with Black (insert animal name here ) Lightning jutsu. Remember, thats your logic right there.

There is a reason people dont bring up minatos unseen jutsu or the raikage unseen black lightning techs....because we've never seen them.

And that jutsu you keep talking about for tobirama. ...he made that jutsu specifically for edo. ...alive tobirama would never use it.

I almost feel sorry for you....almost. Pitiful.