[Spoilers] Answering some of the "explanations"

[Armathyx]

I see many fanboys attempting to justify Kishimoto's mistakes. I don't see why you always try to do his work, but anyway I'm going to answer some of your comments here:

"Madara could pluck his eye into the socket and have it work instantly, because he has Senju DNA."

In that case, why didn't that same Senju DNA just regenerate his Rinnegan as soon as he lost his eyes? Why didn't it regenerate his arm? Because so far, it's what it's meant to do, isn't it? Tsunade and Hashirama can have their wounds repaired instantly because of that ability. So why are you pulling a double standard here?


"Madara can use Susanoo while being blind, because Itachi could do so as well."

No. Itachi was not blind when he used Susanoo. He was almost blind, but just enough to still see. We had his point of view of Sasuke before he died: it was all blurry, but still there.


"Madara survived the x9 Bijuu combo attack because he has Sage Mode."

But his arm didn't? I mean, why was his arm ripped, but not the rest of his body? I'm pretty sure those tails are immense, they certainly hit this entire body, not just his arm. So, if Sage Mode makes him THAT strong, how come his arm is an exception? Did his arm forget it was in Sage Mode maybe?


Why can't you people just accept that it's plot-no-jutsu... Kishi ruined the logic of his own manga, that's all. The burden of proof is on him now, not on you guys.

 

[ThEpRoMiSeDlAnD]

1.hashi cells don't re grow limbs they heal wounds. It can heal stab wounds cuts and gashes but it can not re grow a body part (eyes, full arm).

2. I'm starting to believe more and more that mastery over a dojutsu give the user access to some if not all it's powers. If you realize madara was using the gedo mazo which can only be used by a rinnigann user after he have his eyes to Nagato but I'm not completly sure.

3. He had on susanoo. Yes it was destroyed but prolly not after the first couple tails. That coupled with sage mode could possible be the reason he survived

 

[mangafan321]

yeah this idiot agrees with you!!! lol

 

[VongolaX]

Itachi Deactivated his sharingan when he used Susanoo, he was never blind

 

[Armathyx]

1.hashi cells don't re grow limbs they heal wounds. It can heal stab wounds cuts and gashes but it can not re grow a body part (eyes, full arm).

2. I'm starting to believe more and more that mastery over a dojutsu give the user access to some if not all it's powers. If you realize madara was using the gedo mazo which can only be used by a rinnigann user after he have his eyes to Nagato but I'm not completly sure.

3. He had on susanoo. Yes it was destroyed but prolly not after the first couple tails. That coupled with sage mode could possible be the reason he survived

1. You know, losing a limb is just a more serious injury than getting wounded, it's damage to your body, you lose flesh (and with those massive Susanoo blades going through Tsunade's body, I bet she also lost a few innards there) and Senju DNA has the ability to regenerate that sort of damage.

2. Madara used Gedo Mazo? When? Obito and Nagato used it, but it was while having the Rinnegan.

3. Kurama hit last and he packs the greatest punch.

 

[Mr Hiru]

I see many fanboys attempting to justify Kishimoto's mistakes. I don't see why you always try to do his work, but anyway I'm going to answer some of your comments here:

"Madara could pluck his eye into the socket and have it work instantly, because he has Senju DNA."

In that case, why didn't that same Senju DNA just regenerate his Rinnegan as soon as he lost his eyes? Why didn't it regenerate his arm? Because so far, it's what it's meant to do, isn't it? Tsunade and Hashirama can have their wounds repaired instantly because of that ability. So why are you pulling a double standard here?


"Madara can use Susanoo while being blind, because Itachi could do so as well."

No. Itachi was not blind when he used Susanoo. He was almost blind, but just enough to still see. We had his point of view of Sasuke before he died: it was all blurry, but still there.


"Madara survived the x9 Bijuu combo attack because he has Sage Mode."

But his arm didn't? I mean, why was his arm ripped, but not the rest of his body? I'm pretty sure those tails are immense, they certainly hit this entire body, not just his arm. So, if Sage Mode makes him THAT strong, how come his arm is an exception? Did his arm forget it was in Sage Mode maybe?


Why can't you people just accept that it's plot-no-jutsu... Kishi ruined the logic of his own manga, that's all. The burden of proof is on him now, not on you guys.

Why do you insist in bullshitting his work? People reacts against your criticism for a reason:

a) There is proof, but you arbitrarily decide to reject it. Of course, you're on your right to do so, but that doesn't gives you the reason. That's negative proof fallacy.

If you're opened enough to accept some logic, we can go on.

b) "Madara could pluck his eye into the socket and have it work instantly, because he has Senju DNA."

Danzou was able to reduce the drawback of Izanagi thanks to the Senju DNA he had in his arm. Why couldn't Madara do the same for regenerating the nerves on his eyes? We know Hashirama could heal without seals, you know... so it's just logic. Not a sure thing, but highly possible.

c) "Madara can use Susanoo while being blind, because Itachi could do so as well."

Itachi was not blind, but he lacked a lot of eye sight (a minor detail you could ignore if you want). But most important... he didn't have the mangekyou active, that's the main point of this argument. So Itachi was probably (again, not a sure thing) using his Yin energy to mantain Susano'o.

And of course, the most powerful Susano in Narutoverse belongs to Madara. So it's natural to assume he mastered it, he went beyond common sense.

d) "Madara survived the x9 Bijuu combo attack because he has Sage Mode."

Survive. Isn't that good enough? We are not asking for an invincible god, Madara is just a man. Who cares if he only lost his arm? He can regenerate it later. Senju DNA doesn't create invincible monsters, it only lets them recover easier.

 

[Ryr]

In that case, why didn't that same Senju DNA just regenerate his Rinnegan as soon as he lost his eyes? Why didn't it regenerate his arm? Because so far, it's what it's meant to do, isn't it? Tsunade and Hashirama can have their wounds repaired instantly because of that ability. So why are you pulling a double standard here?

Senju cells with senjutsu chakra (absorbed from Hashirama) allows Madara's Rinnegan to be reattached to his socket without medical ninjutsu.

Who said Senjutsu can create a new eye ball? Don't make things up in your "refutation".

No. Itachi was not blind when he used Susanoo. He was almost blind, but just enough to still see. We had his point of view of Sasuke before he died: it was all blurry, but still there.

Itachi's MS clearly faded when he used Susanoo. It shows that you don't need MS activated to use Susanoo.

There is no evidence indicating that you need to "see" to use Susanoo.

It has been stated that Susanoo is powered by the caster's life force. It strains the whole body and not the eye.

But his arm didn't? I mean, why was his arm ripped, but not the rest of his body? I'm pretty sure those tails are immense, they certainly hit this entire body, not just his arm. So, if Sage Mode makes him THAT strong, how come his arm is an exception? Did his arm forget it was in Sage Mode maybe?

Now this is just nitpicking.

 

[vasu 32]

Why do you insist in bullshitting his work? People reacts against your criticism for a reason:

a) There is proof, but you arbitrarily decide to reject it. Of course, you're on your right to do so, but that doesn't gives you the reason. That's negative proof fallacy.

If you're opened enough to accept some logic, we can go on.

b) "Madara could pluck his eye into the socket and have it work instantly, because he has Senju DNA."

Danzou was able to reduce the drawback of Izanagi thanks to the Senju DNA he had in his arm. Why couldn't Madara do the same for regenerating the nerves on his eyes? We know Hashirama could heal without seals, you know... so it's just logic. Not a sure thing, but highly possible.

c) "Madara can use Susanoo while being blind, because Itachi could do so as well."

Itachi was not blind, but he lacked a lot of eye sight (a minor detail you could ignore if you want). But most important... he didn't have the mangekyou active, that's the main point of this argument. So Itachi was probably (again, not a sure thing) using his Yin energy to mantain Susano'o.

And of course, the most powerful Susano in Narutoverse belongs to Madara. So it's natural to assume he mastered it, he went beyond common sense.

d) "Madara survived the x9 Bijuu combo attack because he has Sage Mode."

Survive. Isn't that good enough? We are not asking for an invincible god, Madara is just a man. Who cares if he only lost his arm? He can regenerate it later. Senju DNA doesn't create invincible monsters, it only lets them recover easier.

^This....

And listen Idiot,You don't got the brain tio understand a simple chapter whose logic has been explained over and over by Madara,when he was homo-ing Hashirama,while fighting Kages,then drop the manga,'cause you just lack that thing to even Understand. And even if you are a no brainer,which you are,then also use that little common sense of no brainer,that it's manga for enjoying,not a reality.
So STFU and GTFO,if you don't like the shit instead of bashing the right explanation....

 

[crono0929]

So anyone can use susanoo right?

 

[ThEpRoMiSeDlAnD]

1. You know, losing a limb is just a more serious injury than getting wounded, it's damage to your body, you lose flesh (and with those massive Susanoo blades going through Tsunade's body, I bet she also lost a few innards there) and Senju DNA has the ability to regenerate that sort of damage.

2. Madara used Gedo Mazo? When? Obito and Nagato used it, but it was while having the Rinnegan.

3. Kurama hit last and he packs the greatest punch.

1.yes she was stabbed but it's not the same thing it's not the like organs popped out they were damage inside her body and most of the organ was prolly still there losing and arm is not the same. It was severed off I'm pretty sure if hashi lost and arm he could grow it back he could re attach it much like tsunade did with he body but he can grow a new one.

2. Madara used gedo in the cave to keep himself alive when he was in his old age so yes madara summoned and used gedo mazo. He prolly summoned it before he have his eyes away but he still could use and control it with out the rinnigann.

3. Kurama hit first and regardless of packing a punch he still was protected by susanoo for more of the barrage. It is still one of the strongest defense jutsus out there so is not mystery on how he survived especially with hashi cells and sage mode

 

[Uchiha Samater]

I see many fanboys attempting to justify Kishimoto's mistakes. I don't see why you always try to do his work, but anyway I'm going to answer some of your comments here:

"Madara could pluck his eye into the socket and have it work instantly, because he has Senju DNA."

In that case, why didn't that same Senju DNA just regenerate his Rinnegan as soon as he lost his eyes? Why didn't it regenerate his arm? Because so far, it's what it's meant to do, isn't it? Tsunade and Hashirama can have their wounds repaired instantly because of that ability. So why are you pulling a double standard here?


"Madara can use Susanoo while being blind, because Itachi could do so as well."

No. Itachi was not blind when he used Susanoo. He was almost blind, but just enough to still see. We had his point of view of Sasuke before he died: it was all blurry, but still there.


"Madara survived the x9 Bijuu combo attack because he has Sage Mode."

But his arm didn't? I mean, why was his arm ripped, but not the rest of his body? I'm pretty sure those tails are immense, they certainly hit this entire body, not just his arm. So, if Sage Mode makes him THAT strong, how come his arm is an exception? Did his arm forget it was in Sage Mode maybe?


Why can't you people just accept that it's plot-no-jutsu... Kishi ruined the logic of his own manga, that's all. The burden of proof is on him now, not on you guys.

i created a thread, [still should be able to see it], where i gave my ''THEORY'', on how Madara is going about these feats.
[i repeat as i always do, THEORY, not fact]

The fact of the matter is, your claiming Kishi has made mistakes on a Character whom we have no idea on what scale his new powers are working on, as NOBODY, in the current NarutoVerse has access to what he currently has

So why is it incorrect to assume, he isn't bound by the same limitations as the others?


You are basing his powers on other characters, which would be fine, if they all had EMS, his powerful Uchiha Chakra, Hashirama DNA, and Hashirama Senjutsu, and once you do, then your case is valid


Until then i agree when you say ppl shouldnt claim fact when truth is we dont know yet, but thats the beauty, have an idea put it out there, but comparing your argument, to others claiming fact is moot

 

[Rikudou Sennin balls]

I'm guessing Susanoo you don't really need your eyes to use. Itachi was blind when he use complete Susanoo and killed Orochimaru. His eyes looked the same way it did after he use Izagani (sorry if it's miss spelled)

Also Madara has the ability to instantly heal himself if you didn't know that look at the last chapter to the wound that Sasuke inflected on him. So if he could do that then why couldn't his eye just heal itself after he put it in the socket.

My deal is how is Madara taking all those hits like it's nothing. He can't have Sage Mode because Sage Mode is limited. Even to Hashirama and Naruto. They can't make Sage Mode their base mode. Even Hugo has difficulties with senjutsu. Also why is he fighting reckless and sloppy.

 

[the last shinobi]

I see many fanboys attempting to justify Kishimoto's mistakes. I don't see why you always try to do his work, but anyway I'm going to answer some of your comments here:

"Madara could pluck his eye into the socket and have it work instantly, because he has Senju DNA."

In that case, why didn't that same Senju DNA just regenerate his Rinnegan as soon as he lost his eyes? Why didn't it regenerate his arm? Because so far, it's what it's meant to do, isn't it? Tsunade and Hashirama can have their wounds repaired instantly because of that ability. So why are you pulling a double standard here?


"Madara can use Susanoo while being blind, because Itachi could do so as well."

No. Itachi was not blind when he used Susanoo. He was almost blind, but just enough to still see. We had his point of view of Sasuke before he died: it was all blurry, but still there.


"Madara survived the x9 Bijuu combo attack because he has Sage Mode."

But his arm didn't? I mean, why was his arm ripped, but not the rest of his body? I'm pretty sure those tails are immense, they certainly hit this entire body, not just his arm. So, if Sage Mode makes him THAT strong, how come his arm is an exception? Did his arm forget it was in Sage Mode maybe?


Why can't you people just accept that it's plot-no-jutsu... Kishi ruined the logic of his own manga, that's all. The burden of proof is on him now, not on you guys.

IDK about the rest but kakashi almost immediately used Obito's eye after he got and he's not even in that bloodline

 

[ThEpRoMiSeDlAnD]

My deal is how is Madara taking all those hits like it's nothing. He can't have Sage Mode because Sage Mode is limited. Even to Hashirama and Naruto. They can't make Sage Mode their base mode. Even Hugo has difficulties with senjutsu. Also why is he fighting reckless and sloppy.

He commented in the last chapter that senjutsu wasn't that impressive to him he thought he would have a hard time manipulating it but it was easy to him. Madara is just on another level it took jirya and naruto a long time to master it where as madara mastered it in seconds.

 

[Armathyx]

Naruto (the series) has the greatest plot shield ever, seriously... childish community just go with everything Kishi sticks up their ass.

 

[Byron123]

In fact there are explanations but you must be a little open-minded. I don't say that they're obvious but they're still there.

1. Madara was indeed able to transplant his rinnegan because of senju dna. However, senju dna for it to create rinnegan is something yet to be seen as rinnegan is a fusion of EMS and senju dna and therefore it can't be used as a substitute for uchiha's eyes. Using zetsu's arm doesn't mean that he couldn't be healed on his own like you implied. Kshi might have put him doing it just to show some "brutality" by ripping of one of his pawn's arm for his own benefit. This is only a hypothesis that makes sense, I don't try to present as hard evidence.

2. From what I remember, what has been said about Susanoo is that it is unlocked when you awake MS in both eyes. I don't remember even being said that you have to have them at that moment. Being said that, Susanoo is the manifestation of Madara's chakra. His eyes might not be there but that doesn't mean that the access that he once gained is now lost.

3. The attacks of the Bijuu were certainly powerful and there is no reason to believe otherwise. The fact that his arm was torn does nto imply that his arm is his weak point but Kishi wanted to show that Madara was so powerful because of his senu dna that only his arm was torn during the assault. Also, the fact that only his arm was torn might not be as irrelevant as you may think. When he was attacked, he probably used it instinctively to protect himself. The result is that he lost his arm during that assault but at least he was able to protect the rest of his body.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Naruto (the series) has the greatest plot shield ever, seriously... childish community just go with everything Kishi sticks up their ass.

Well, I can also see there are some childish people complaining about everything they don't like, just like a little spoiled princess

 

[Naruto.]

Why do you insist in bullshitting his work? People reacts against your criticism for a reason:

a) There is proof, but you arbitrarily decide to reject it. Of course, you're on your right to do so, but that doesn't gives you the reason. That's negative proof fallacy.

If you're opened enough to accept some logic, we can go on.

b) "Madara could pluck his eye into the socket and have it work instantly, because he has Senju DNA."

Danzou was able to reduce the drawback of Izanagi thanks to the Senju DNA he had in his arm. Why couldn't Madara do the same for regenerating the nerves on his eyes? We know Hashirama could heal without seals, you know... so it's just logic. Not a sure thing, but highly possible.

c) "Madara can use Susanoo while being blind, because Itachi could do so as well."

Itachi was not blind, but he lacked a lot of eye sight (a minor detail you could ignore if you want). But most important... he didn't have the mangekyou active, that's the main point of this argument. So Itachi was probably (again, not a sure thing) using his Yin energy to mantain Susano'o.

And of course, the most powerful Susano in Narutoverse belongs to Madara. So it's natural to assume he mastered it, he went beyond common sense.

d) "Madara survived the x9 Bijuu combo attack because he has Sage Mode."

Survive. Isn't that good enough? We are not asking for an invincible god, Madara is just a man. Who cares if he only lost his arm? He can regenerate it later. Senju DNA doesn't create invincible monsters, it only lets them recover easier.

Hirudora, mah nigga!
OT: I always see you whining about how this manga sucks and how Kishimoto fails as an author. I'm not a fanboy, but I'll ask you one thing, why do you read the manga when you dislike it so much? Double standards, much? You could start reading another manga which suits your tastes. I don't understand the point of these threads. :| Dislike something? Then stop reading it. I'm not gonna say that Kishi has not made any mistakes. He's not a perfect author, and sure, he uses plot to cover up some things, like Madara transplanting the eye and immediately activating it. Kishi basically hushed it up to further up the plot and make Madara OP for now. The anime would expand on it more, by showing 2-3 minutes of Madara getting used to the transplanted eyes.

 

[Naijakid]

Like I said before....kishi threw logic out the window

 

[Ohhdang]

Like I said before....kishi threw logic out the window

There doesn't need to be logic in a goddamn fantasy world