Another theory regarding rinnegan,tobi,madara etc.

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Here it comes: After Madara is summoned with edo tensei, he starts talking with Kabuto random stuff...at one point is mentioned that Madara didnt die imeddiately after his fight with 1st hokage and that he awakend the Rinnegan shortly before his death. My theory is based on this statement. In my opinion Madara fought the 1st Hokage, in order to push himself to the limit ( this is really necessary to be mentioned maybe Madara's Sharingan was somehow stimulated by the Senju charkra which triggered the evolution into Rinnegan) in order to obtain the Rinnegan. However the fight between those 2 reached a point in which Madara was being pushed back and ended up almost dead, at that very time , Madara's Plan B started. Tobi arrived at the battlefield. Madara's plan B was to give Tobi his eyes. Right before dieing Madara used Kotoamatsukami on the 1st Hokage to manipulate his mind and made him think he killed his oponnent and forget that another person was there. Tobi then took Madara's eyes and left with the promise of trying to find away to complete Madara's goal or even bring him back to life. However when trying to transplant the Rinnegan to him, Tobi's body wasn't probably prepared and couldn't handle such powerful eyes so he ended up with his body "incomplete". And madara's eyes probably lost some ocular powers due to that. So Tobi tried to come with a way to restore the Rinnegan so he implanted them on a boy...on Nagato ( If you remember well Nagato didnt knew what happened the night he awakened the Rinnegan and killled those 2 konoha shinobis) Why on Nagato...because It seems that those eyes are the result of senju chakra on the sharingan.In order to resist the Rinnegan the next time Tobi probably honed his sharingan skills or transfered sharingan eyes to himslef that depending on the character's identiy. So after 30 years of sitting in a senju body the rinnegan's power was truly restored, and this time Tobi transfered only one Rinnegan eye , beacause that's all his still incomplete body, and left eye could handle. When he said in manga that he was trying to become complete I tend to believe that he wanted to Say that he will finally fix his body and end up evolving his sharingan into Rinnegan without transfer. This theory of mine with the Sharingan somehow reacting to the Senju Chakra is reliable because we could see in Manga how mokuton was reacting to Naruto's chackra and also Tobi's words: Naruto is just a pawn to stimulate Sasuke. Thx for reading.Is still kinda incomplete because I want to go to bed and because I dont want to bother you with a long post full of small details that strengthen my theory. I'm not saying that I'm right, I'm just saying how I see things.
 

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Good thoughts, use paragraphs next time (Someone's bound to complain), but a huge flaw in your theory is that Madara could not have use kotoamatsukami because that genjutsu is specific to Shisui Uchiha's eyes....
 

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I agree to some parts. Madara battling the First Hokage, Yes. Madara giving tobi his eyes, Yes, and then using Kotoamatsukami, No. The whole Tobi inserting Rinnegan into himself, Maybe. The whole Tobi and Rinnegan ordeal, No. Tobi using Naruto to stimulate Sasuke, Maybe.
 

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paragraphs are your friend...but yeah i think the chakra can heal also as well as nurture things like wood, eyes (body in general) or chakra; it has life-giving properties xd
 

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We dont know that he couldnt use it...Shisui was the only one KNOWN to be able to use it...that doesnt mean he was the only one....Really now dont you think it was damn strange how 1st Hokage tought Madara was dead....And after all he as Madara wouldn't surprise me if he could use Kotoamatsukami....And yes sorry for the wall of text didnt considered how my post would look like after I finished it...should have used the preview post option..
 
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Great theory! +rep! I'm not sure about the sharingan needing to be stimulated by senju chakra to awaken rinnegan, or Madara being able to perform Shisui's jutsu . . . But it all seems plausable to me! Excellent theory! And the nice thing is it helps tie together Madara-Tobi-Negato. Which is great because currently we're still trying to find out just how they're related! Way to go and keep those theories coming :D
 
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