Another dumb ass gets shot by the cops...

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If you can understand that the police might have a hard time being able to think in a situation like that imagine the guy who was shot at. Stop being so inconsiderate.
Nah I can only believe the officer had a hard time being able to think in that situation. He saw a man reach for a gun and now the man is shoving his way out the car against you. Really his only option was to shoot. Either that or potentially lose his life.

The other man only had to do one thing. Keep his hands above his head. Not get out the car. Not try to force the door open against the cop. Not reach out for his gun. He had a simple task and he failed to do it and was killed for it. Don't give a police officer a reason to shoot you and he probably won't shoot you!

I don't get why people don't understand., this man did not follow directions until he was shot. Even then, he had no choice but to fall on the ground. I don't see how and why he felt the need to:

1.) Reach for his gun. They were being stopped for blowing a stop sign. A ridiculous reason to reach for a gun.
2.) He felt he had to keep testing the officer and keep reaching for the gun despite the officer vividly and loudly telling him to f-ing stop.
3.) He tried to open the door while the officer was holding it closed. He did not want the man to get out of the car yet, so why was he doing it?
4.) This one really confuses me. The man shoved the door open and stood up...? For what reason did he do that? No one told him to do that. There's absolutely no reason to do that. The man really must have been on some kind of drugs.

No sober person would disregard the officers one command.

So we just gonna act like shit like this don't ever happen?



I have no doubt in my mind that the people here saying the cop is at fault and the man did nothing wrong are the same fools that would say an officer deserved to die for making a traffic stop. Those type of people disgust me.
 

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If you can understand that the police might have a hard time being able to think in a situation like that imagine the guy who was shot at. Stop being so inconsiderate.

Dude the police were trained for this shit. He shot out of panic and that was his mistake. He should be jailed for murder. its not an excuse.
 

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And over looked the fact the guy killed before.
The guy looked like he was reaching before reacting to the gun fire.
But I guess your choosing to deny it.
yeah he did have a record and they should approach him with caution
but to me it look liked he was doing everything he can to avoid getting shot
i even heard him say," i have no reason to reach for the gun," he tried getting out of the car to get away from the gun so he wouldnt get shot
he had his hands up and everything
“I’m telling you, I’m telling you!” Officer Days continues to yell, “Keep your f*cking hands right there. Eh, eh, Jerame, you reach for something, you’re going to be f*cking dead.”

Then, suddenly, Days yells, “He’s reaching! He’s reaching!”

Reid can be heard saying “let me out of the f*cking car,” making it clear that he has nothing in his hands and is not reaching for anything.

Reid gets out, hands in plain sight, obviously not wanting to be in the car where there could be any question about where his hands were. Instead he got out and showed his hands clearly, understanding that Officer Days was saying things that were simply not true.

Both Officer Days and Officer Worley quickly discharged their weapons into Reid almost ten times between the two of them.
 
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Bro, you don't deserve that J Cole avy.

Just because the dude gets out of his car doesn't mean he deserved to be killed, record or not. The man had his hands in plain sight. In a world where we can still get shot for following directions, there was nothing wrong with what he did. Besides, they could have shot to wound, used a taser, or chased him down. You know officers can chase people, right? Sure you do.

And how would you feel if someone was speaking about one of your dead relatives like your speaking of this guy? smh
 
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Bro, you don't deserve that J Cole avy.

Just because the dude gets out of his car doesn't mean he deserved to be killed, record or not. The man had his hands in plain sight. In a world where we can still get shot for following directions, there was nothing wrong with what he did. Besides, they could have shot to wound, used a taser, or chased him down. You know officers can chase people, right? Sure you do.

And how would you feel if someone was speaking about one of your dead relatives like your speaking of this guy? smh
Where did I state he deserved to be killed? He did not follow several directions that would have kept him alive

"Keep your hands above your head"
"Don't reach for the F-ing weapon"
"Stop trying to open the door"

How much more plain could the officer have made it? Not to mention this guy had a gun in the glove compartment. If anything if he wanted to prove his innocence by not listening to the officer, he should have gone out the door with his hands up and head down. Not standing straight up to face the officer.

If you get pulled over tomorrow and the officer says License and Registration are you going to reach into your center console, and when the officer says to put your hands on the steering wheel open the door and stand straight up at him? No? Why not? Because you don't want to get shot!

My relatives are neither here nor there. However if it was one of my family members I would still call them stupid. This was some stupid shit this man did.
 

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Where did I state he deserved to be killed? He did not follow several directions that would have kept him alive

"Keep your hands above your head"
"Don't reach for the F-ing weapon"
"Stop trying to open the door"

How much more plain could the officer have made it? Not to mention this guy had a gun in the glove compartment. If anything if he wanted to prove his innocence by not listening to the officer, he should have gone out the door with his hands up and head down. Not standing straight up to face the officer.

If you get pulled over tomorrow and the officer says License and Registration are you going to reach into your center console, and when the officer says to put your hands on the steering wheel open the door and stand straight up at him? No? Why not? Because you don't want to get shot!

My relatives are neither here nor there. However if it was one of my family members I would still call them stupid. This was some stupid shit this man did.
that's not what happened
he did follow directions as best as he can
the guy wasn't reaching for the glove compartment at all and you can tell he was confused and doing his best to make it noticed that he wasnt reaching for his gun that's why he got out of the car with his hands up
couldnt you hear what he was saying,"i have no reason to do that or im not going to do anything,"
he didn't deserve to get shot at all

and this can happen to anyone it started with him getting pulled over for running a stop sign to him dying for having a gun in his glove compartment that never left it
 
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Where did I state he deserved to be killed? He did not follow several directions that would have kept him alive

"Keep your hands above your head"
"Don't reach for the F-ing weapon"
"Stop trying to open the door"

How much more plain could the officer have made it? Not to mention this guy had a gun in the glove compartment. If anything if he wanted to prove his innocence by not listening to the officer, he should have gone out the door with his hands up and head down. Not standing straight up to face the officer.

If you get pulled over tomorrow and the officer says License and Registration are you going to reach into your center console, and when the officer says to put your hands on the steering wheel open the door and stand straight up at him? No? Why not? Because you don't want to get shot!

My relatives are neither here nor there. However if it was one of my family members I would still call them stupid. This was some stupid shit this man did.
You're trying really hard to be edgy and it's not sharp at all.

old boy was ordered to get out his license and registration, and got shot for following procedure. there is no guarantee these officers didn't plan on doing him in either way, just like that guy. he was trying to surrender.

and you seem to have a real hard on for these officers... you dont think what they did was wrong? why would they shoot a clearly unarmed man to kill? 5 times at that, thats out of panic. these men are trained to resist those panic impulses and overreactions and to simply do the least possible damage in order to restrain them.

buuut youre clearly set on defending these officers so ok
you still need to change that j cole avy
 

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yeah he did have a record and they should approach him with caution
but to me it look liked he was doing everything he can to avoid getting shot
i even heard him say," i have no reason to reach for the gun," he tried getting out of the car to get away from the gun so he wouldnt get shot
he had his hands up and everything
But he didn't listen to what the cop was saying.

The cop told him not to move and he was going against him.
You can clearly see that when he open the door and got out that he looked like he was reaching before reacting to the cops about to fire and then having his hands go up.
That was the moment the cop saw,that reach and the cop reacted to it.

He could have grab the officer gun.
One of the cop already knew who he was and what he did in he's past.
So why take the risk.

What could of avoid all this if one of the men stated they had a gun in the glove box before opening it.
Instead they didn't.
 

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You're trying really hard to be edgy and it's not sharp at all.

old boy was ordered to get out his license and registration, and got shot for following procedure. there is no guarantee these officers didn't plan on doing him in either way, just like that guy. he was trying to surrender.

and you seem to have a real hard on for these officers... you dont think what they did was wrong? why would they shoot a clearly unarmed man to kill? 5 times at that, thats out of panic. these men are trained to resist those panic impulses and overreactions and to simply do the least possible damage in order to restrain them.

buuut youre clearly set on defending these officers so ok
you still need to change that j cole avy
@Bold, and I'm being edgy?

Get out of here bro.

old boy was ordered to get out his license and registration, and got shot for following procedure
Reaching for a gun in the glove compartment is procedure? You stupid.

there is no guarantee these officers didn't plan on doing him in either way, just like that guy. he was trying to surrender.
Notice the man in the drivers seat that followed every direction perfectly, remained physically unscathed. You stupid.


and you seem to have a real hard on for these officers... you dont think what they did was wrong? why would they shoot a clearly unarmed man to kill?
Yet I'm being 'edgy'. I think any kind of murder is wrong. However, when the victim could have avoided death so easily and simply, it makes me question his frame of mind. His complete disregard for directions and opposition towards the officers at every turn? The man was not unarmed, he had a gun in the glove compartment that he would not stop reaching for(For the 100th time).

5 times at that, thats out of panic. these men are trained to resist those panic impulses and overreactions and to simply do the least possible damage in order to restrain them.
How are you trying to debate me but beat yourself in the debate? Come on dog...
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As you so clearly put it, the officer shot him 5 times out of panic. Why? The man had a gun and would not stop reaching for it. The officer is forcing the door closed yet the man is opposing his force and trying to open the door. How can his hands be in the air if he is opening the door?

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So now that we understand the situation we can infer that the officer feared for his life. A known cop shooter with a gun forcing a closed door opened at the officer. I would have shot too. If you try to recant your claim that the officer panicked, look at the other officer. He saw the man rise up against his partner and even risked grazing his partner to shoot the victim of this traffic stop.

Keep your clumsy rebuttals coming and your 'edgy' remarks to yourself. Also, as J. Cole would say to you my friend,

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But he didn't listen to what the cop was saying.

The cop told him not to move and he was going against him.
You can clearly see that when he open the door and got out that he looked like he was reaching before reacting to the cops about to fire and then having his hands go up.
That was the moment the cop saw,that reach and the cop reacted to it.

He could have grab the officer gun.
One of the cop already knew who he was and what he did in he's past.
So why take the risk.

What could of avoid all this if one of the men stated they had a gun in the glove box before opening it.
Instead they didn't.
if the cops didn't have their guns out no one would have died
and you can tell that the guy was confused he kept trying to tell the officer he had no reason to go for the gun
it didn' look like he tried to grab the gun when he got out it looked like he was just trying to assure the cops that he was not going to grab the gun because the cops getting shouting dont reach for the gun and show me your hands when he was clearly doing that
yes he did get out of the car when they told him not to move,he had his hands up, but why would he think that they would shoot him if he was unarmed and had his hands up

deep down you know its the cops fault for over panicking and that this guy shouldn't have been killed and that's why the op insulted the guy so much to try and make him look bad
 

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First and foremost: not a single one of you is a certified law enforcement officer in the United States, nor are you employed by the department these officers belong to. You do not know what training entails nor the departmental policies these officers need to abide by. Therefore, everything I have just read was pure and utter speculation, opinion, and for lack of better terms: uneducated.

With that being said, here are some facts whether you agree with them or not...

1. U.S. Law Enforcement officers are trained to shoot center mass. They are trained to do this because it is a larger target and stands a greater chance of stopping the individual. They are not trained to shoot arms, legs, heads (exceptions for tactical teams/designated marksmen with specific rules of engagement for exceptional circumstances), or any other part of the body. In a dynamic situation involving moving individuals, the probability of hitting any one of those targets are significantly smaller.

2. They are trained to shoot to stop, not kill. They shoot until the threat stops being a threat, whether through voluntary compliance or the understood potential consequences of using lethal force (force likely to result in death or great bodily harm such as unconsciousness, permanent disfigurement, loss of bodily organs/functions, etc...) which is involuntary compliance.

3. They do not meet force with equal or lesser force. They are trained to use whatever force is necessary to gain compliance as long as it isn't excessive.

4. They understand that where there is one gun, there's usually another nearby.

In analyzing this situation you have an active resistor with a history of being an active aggressor and is a known felon. What this means is they have a non-compliant individual with a past record of attempted murder on law enforcement officers, who had a gun within reach upon contact. Therefore, having weapons at the ready, especially after seeing the gun and verbalizing its presence, was fully warranted. Also, commanding the individual to "not move" made perfect sense. This was repeated multiple times and was disobeyed. Having removed the visible gun, it was not unreasonable for the officers to suspect there could be another gun. Inside the vehicle, the individual continued to make movements and began exiting the vehicle; all in direct opposition to the officer's direct commands.

Upon exiting the vehicle, the individual made a sudden & furtive movement similar to that of a person raising a weapon with his hands, prompting the officer to discharge his weapon in self-defense, though it was determined after the fact that the individual's hands were empty and he was raising them up. Again, it was night-time, the individual was a known felon with a history of violence towards law enforcement, a weapon was involved, the individual's actions were in direct opposition to the commands of the police officer, and it wasn't unreasonable to suspect a second weapon might be involved. You have less than a second to decide to stop the threat being presented to you, or risk hesitating and potentially being harmed or killed.

As this situation is presented, the officer's actions seemed reasonable considering the totality of circumstances and if I were in his position, I would have done the same. I believe both officers were wholly justified in their actions and just because a person is unarmed, does not mean a person cannot kill you. He was shot before his hands were raised because he moved after being commanded not to. Don't move means do not move.
 
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First and foremost: not a single one of you is a certified law enforcement officer in the United States, nor are you employed by the department these officers belong to. You do not know what training entails nor the departmental policies these officers need to abide by. Therefore, everything I have just read was pure and utter speculation, opinion, and for lack of better terms: uneducated.

With that being said, here are some facts whether you agree with them or not...

1. U.S. Law Enforcement officers are trained to shoot center mass. They are trained to do this because it is a larger target and stands a greater chance of stopping the individual. They are not trained to shoot arms, legs, heads (exceptions for tactical teams/designated marksmen with specific rules of engagement for exceptional circumstances), or any other part of the body. In a dynamic situation involving moving individuals, the probability of hitting any one of those targets are significantly smaller.

2. They are trained to shoot to stop, not kill. They shoot until the threat stops being a threat, whether through voluntary compliance or the understood potential consequences of using lethal force (force likely to result in death or great bodily harm such as unconsciousness, permanent disfigurement, loss of bodily organs/functions, etc...) which is involuntary compliance.

3. They do not meet force with equal or lesser force. They are trained to use whatever force is necessary to gain compliance as long as it isn't excessive.

4. They understand that where there is one gun, there's usually another nearby.

In analyzing this situation you have an active resistor with a history of being an active aggressor and is a known felon. What this means is they have a non-compliant individual with a past record of attempted murder on law enforcement officers, who had a gun within reach upon contact. Therefore, having weapons at the ready, especially after seeing the gun and verbalizing its presence, was fully warranted. Also, commanding the individual to "not move" made perfect sense. This was repeated multiple times and was disobeyed. Having removed the visible gun, it was not unreasonable for the officers to suspect there could be another gun. Inside the vehicle, the individual continued to make movements and began exiting the vehicle; all in direct opposition to the officer's direct commands.

Upon exiting the vehicle, the individual made a sudden & furtive movement similar to that of a person raising a weapon with his hands, prompting the officer to discharge his weapon in self-defense, though it was determined after the fact that the individual's hands were empty and he was raising them up. Again, it was night-time, the individual was a known felon with a history of violence towards law enforcement, a weapon was involved, the individual's actions were in direct opposition to the commands of the police officer, and it wasn't unreasonable to suspect a second weapon might be involved. You have less than a second to decide to stop the threat being presented to you, or risk hesitating and potentially being harmed or killed.

As this situation is presented, the officer's actions seemed reasonable considering the totality of circumstances and if I were in his position, I would have done the same. I believe both officers were wholly justified in their actions and just because a person is unarmed, does not mean a person cannot kill you. He was shot before his hands were raised because he moved after being commanded not to. Don't move means do not move.

What I've been saying all along playboy.
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