[Theory] Ancestors of the Shinobi

[HENI]

Remember when Madara said Hagoromo's plan to make people understand one another failed because people began using chakra as weapons? Then Kaguya went back to using chakra as weapons. I think this also affected the two sons of Hagoromo.

Senju Ancestor

The Senju Ancestor seems to inherit his father's loving nature, believing that love can help people connect and understand one another, bringing peace. This opposes his brother's views.

Uchiha Ancestor

I believe the Uchiha Ancestor somehow met his grandmother Kaguya and then he inherit her ideals, because she believed only a god's powers can bring peace, not love. This was shown when she ate the forbidden fruit.

So maybe Kaguya was the one who made the Uchiha and Senju hatred begin. Tell me what you all think

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

essentially yea

 

[Joker]

New members already bringing in theories, I like it
OT: Nice thought

 

[Jin Hayami]

Meh. Maybe.

 

[HENI]

essentially yea

I hope we see a story of Kaguya Ootsutsuki and how everything came about. I think it's more to it than just ending the wars. I think Naruto will meet Hagoromo while Sasuke meets Kaguya. This will lead to their final battle.

 

[Jin Hayami]

I hope we see a story of Kaguya Ootsutsuki and how everything came about. I think it's more to it than just ending the wars. I think Naruto will meet Hagoromo while Sasuke meets Kaguya. This will lead to their final battle.

I doubt that.
Too many OP people brought back from the dead already.

 

[HENI]

I doubt that.
Too many OP people brought back from the dead already.

I mean like in a mental world, similar to how Naruto met Kushina and Minato

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

I hope we see a story of Kaguya Ootsutsuki and how everything came about. I think it's more to it than just ending the wars. I think Naruto will meet Hagoromo while Sasuke meets Kaguya. This will lead to their final battle.

there better not be a naruto vs sasuke after this there is no build up for it they fight for the same cause it seems like now plus we have seen everything they have to offer

 

[UCE]

hey thats a good theory

 

[Chibiusa]

Lol dude been waiting 6 months to make this thread

OT: I don't think he'd have to actually meet her to learn hatred. But it's possible. I mean, she was his grandma so maybe she came to him idk

 

[Uchiha Rafael]

Yeah Yeah Uchiha's for the win

 

[HENI]

there better not be a naruto vs sasuke after this there is no build up for it they fight for the same cause it seems like now plus we have seen everything they have to offer

Minato hinted that Naruto still has to change Sasuke's ideals.

 

[Jin Hayami]

I mean like in a mental world, similar to how Naruto met Kushina and Minato

More likely just flashbacks from the bijuu.

 

[HENI]

Lol dude been waiting 6 months to make this thread

OT: I don't think he'd have to actually meet her to learn hatred. But it's possible. I mean, she was his grandma so maybe she came to him idk

If Kaguya ever meets Sasuke in his mind, she'll probably make him power-hungry. As for the Uchiha Ancestor, she was his grandma and was probably teaching him about the God Tree and told him she needed power to end the wars.

 

[Quaranikopia]

Yes, Maybe.

 

[The Paradox]

I highly doubt at this stage that there will be a Naruto vs Sasuke fight with the rate things are going. If Naruto is truly coming to an end, almost all the main "kid" characters need to grow up. I know the whole plot basically revolved around Naruto's goal of becoming Hokage.. but that was just to become noticed and then to bring peace (Which he is already doing/has done). For him to show his final transition into an adult, he will pass on his dream to Sasuke (or at least share it with him) in order to kill off any split between Uchiha and the rest of the shinobi alliance. With both ideals working together it will bring peace.

It's a good theory and pretty logical if you think about it, so for that I rep you. However, Sasuke is at a place where it's going to be hard for him to be convinced to take on a whole army, and Naruto just to bring "peace". He'd die. Case and point. He's just changed and people need to accept this near final forum of Sasuke.

 

[Dante Demiurges]

Now what i don't get about this whole Sage thing is that:
Why did the Sage pave the way for infinite Tsukyomi: Okay So this guy is super peace lover, but i think he regretted his ideals at the end of his live, and wrote the instructions for the Eternal Genjustu, which would need a big reflecting mirror in the sky so he made the moon, needed a person which enough hatred to devour the world and follow his dark paths so he did something that created the Sharingan(remember if the Sage was a good guy then why do you need to kill your friend, take your brothers eye then take the Senju steriods to achieve the rinnegan). So what i believe is that the sages young son inherited his good will and the elder son inherited his bad will.

 

[Shinato]

The Circle of Hatred was born because of Hagoromo's choice, not because of the two ideals. Kaguya tried to reach peace through power, I call this the Yang path. Hagoromo tried to reach peace through understanding and love, I call this the Yin Path. These are both two incomplete paths towards peace, and the Circle of Hatred is born when they clash with each other. That is why the true way to peace is the cooperation of the two paths, Yin and Yang.

Also, I highly doubt that Kaguya was alive when Hagoromo was dying of old age. Lets say he became 100 years old, or something around that. That means he probably got kids fairly old, as in the flashback the ancestors couldn't be more than 16-17 years old. Kaguya would have been long dead by then.

 

[Ultimateone]

i don't really think that kaguya was such a person to value violence. the world at that time only knew countless war and like most wars can only be settled when somebody has a very obvious advantage, whether that's more troops or a better weapon. kaguya chose to have the better weapon as she probably had tried to end it diplomatically and failed before. her way actually worked as she stopped the fighting, the only problem was the birth of the ten tails.

 

[Shinato]

i don't really think that kaguya was such a person to value violence. the world at that time only knew countless war and like most wars can only be settled when somebody has a very obvious advantage, whether that's more troops or a better weapon. kaguya chose to have the better weapon as she probably had tried to end it diplomatically and failed before. her way actually worked as she stopped the fighting, the only problem was the birth of the ten tails.

"Hatred is born to protect love."

The Juubi was born to protect what it cared about, the chakra of the Shinju. So in a way, that can prove that Kaguya wished for peace more than anything and that she didn't believe in hatred.