Analysis of Hashirama vs Madara battle then Edo Madara vs Edo Hashirama [read first]

[Bronze]

The max. power of SS was kept by that TBB+PS-blades barrage...
If you say that those projectiles were also the reason for PS's dismantling,
Then we don't know the results if SS had made it's max. impact on PS...

So, if Madara defends with TBB combo it his loss and if he doesn't, SS will smash it like a bug...

Didn't say they were aimed at Madara but PS was caught in the massive explosion. Shinsuusenju arms were cut off but all of them were removed because of the blast. So technically, PS was taking a hit from the statue and the blast of TBB+PS blades.

 

[KidGamer65]

Bolded part is wrong... as EMS Madara is just restricted from using PS, but he can still use Final Sussano v4 unstabilized form:

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^^ Imao I would like to see Base Hashirama stomping EMS Madara using Final Sussano v4 unstabilized form...

The manga clearly labels that as Perfect Susanoo, meaning its restricted, hence me saying that he stomps him, cause that would leave him with V3 Susanoo. That would simply mean that Base Hashirama>EMS Madara w/Final Susanoo Unstabilized form, but with a lot of difficulty.

The manga clearly points that they are around equal.

That's why PS and Mokujin were stalemated amirite?

Red Color used font, you have no proof as I don't have also. However considering that EMS Madara didn't have Senjuu DNA while Edo Madara has it... support more my point.

If you have no proof for the claim you made then its irrelevant and not counted. Senju DNA has never powered up anyone's jutsu offensively, so it wouldn't do the same for Perfect Susanoo.

EMS Madara's PS=Edo Madara's PS.

 

[Transcendence]

The "it can't be helped" statement by Hashirama didn't have to do with power, nor his ability or inability to combat PS+Kurama. If you noticed, he consistently attempted to talk him down, but he said "it can't be helped" when he realized Madara wouldn't stop. That's when and why he entered Sennin Modo.

As for the conclusions, Madara has nothing of enough destructive power to take out Shinsenjuu before it decimates his Perfect Susano'o or any technique he tries.

 

[KCMNaruto]

The "it can't be helped" statement by Hashirama didn't have to do with power, nor his ability or inability to combat PS+Kurama. If you noticed, he consistently attempted to talk him down, but he said "it can't be helped" when he realized Madara wouldn't stop. That's when and why he entered Sennin Modo.

As for the conclusions, Madara has nothing of enough destructive power to take out Shinsenjuu before it decimates his Perfect Susano'o or any technique he tries.

I agree , but idk about this statement because it can be interpreted in few ways...

I think it could mean that Madara can not be convinced by hashirama speech as you said... but then why enter SM ?

because it also holds hidden meaning of stating Hashirama is forced to use SM to have chance, simple as that.

Also my thread's point was only to prove that Madara and Base Hashirama are around same level..., except EMS Madara with PS may be between SM Hashirama and Base Hashirama...

The point was, Base Hashirama is overrated too much and I wanted to debunk it.

 

[TheSages456]

the mokujin stalemated PS so, base hashirama=edo madara/ems madara.

sm hashirama with buddha>madara with kyuubi>base hashirama=edo madara/ems madara.

 

[KCMNaruto]

the mokujin stalemated PS so, base hashirama=edo madara/ems madara.

sm hashirama with buddha>madara with kyuubi>base hashirama=edo madara/ems madara.

Bolded part is wrong, because Hashirama was using Sage mode when he used The mokujin to stalemate against PS...

Proof:

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with everything else I agree

 

[TheSages456]

Bolded part is wrong, because Hashirama was using Sage mode when he used The mokujin to stalemate against PS...

Proof:

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with everything else I agree

prove with feats that the mokujin is stronger when used in sm.

 

[KingHashirama]

One of the worst Biased commentaries ever.

"Hashirama knows he CANNOT WIN"... wtf.. The reason he was going away so the landscape won't be damaged, not because he knew he could not win.

Also you left out Hashirama's smile when Madara did the combination..

Lets not then forget that Hashirama didn't have the intent to kill Madara until the very end, where Madara said this time Hashirama can't turn upon him.

Power of Kurama + PS >> Ps
Kurama + PS >> Kurama

Hence why he needed to enter Sage Mode and finish it off quickly.. Unless he wanted to waste time.. thats on him. But why would he want to waste time?

- Never focus on only 1 person's facial expression.. but instead both of them.


EMS Madara was sadly put down by Hashirama.. and even Madara acknowledged it:

The EMS Madara vs Hashirama Fight 1:

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Notice that during the end of their Vote, Madara said he is the one standing UNLIKE THE LAST TIME.. The last time ^^^ Above fight.

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[Naijakid]

Hashirama beats any form of Madara

 

[KCMNaruto]

SM Hashirama with shin suuSenjuu beats any form of Madara so far

fixed for you

 

[Bronze]

This thread is still going on.

Meteor amplified with PS > Shinsuusenju, therefore Madara > Hashirama.

 

[KidGamer65]

Bolded part is wrong, because Hashirama was using Sage mode when he used The mokujin to stalemate against PS...

Proof:

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with everything else I agree

Still spouting bullshit I see?

 

[FearxDeath]

So... Madara with EMS and Perfect Susan'o beats Hashirama... and yet in the Manga Hashirama beat Madara... I dont understand the purpose of this thread.

Where is a thesis statement when you need one...

 

[KCMNaruto]

So... Madara with EMS and Perfect Susan'o beats Hashirama... and yet in the Manga Hashirama beat Madara... I dont understand the purpose of this thread.

Where is a thesis statement when you need one...

You didn't read it clearly, so I don't waste my time to explain it.

SM Hashirama is beyond Madara as living at least, but Base Hashirama is in Madara's range...

If you want to know more, then read this thread more carefully