Analysing and Correcting some misconceptions about Kiri Kiri Mae

How much of this thread did you read?

  • All of it

    Votes: 6 46.2%
  • 75% of it

    Votes: 4 30.8%
  • 50% of it

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 25% of it

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • None but I'll read later

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I'm not going to read this thread

    Votes: 3 23.1%

  • Total voters
    13

Icelerate

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Jun 10, 2012
Messages
9,255
Reaction score
1,262
Introduction
Alright so in this thread, I will be analysing Temari's ultimate attack and correcting some misconceptions that some people like to spew in Versus threads involving Temari.

If you don't know what I am talking about, please open the spoiler and see the attack for yourself.
You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images
Analysis of Kiri Kiri Mae
Just to behold how strong this attack is, take a good look at how far away the range of its devastation goes out for. I used to estimate its range to be around 100 m but I severely underestimated it. It turns out the effects of KKM stretch out for hundreds of meters. If you want proof of where I got this number, just check out the 2nd data book hidden beneath this next spoiler. Lastly, if it wasn't for all the trees in the forest, the attack would span an even greater range and be even faster due to less resistance.

Databook 2 - Kuchiyose: Kirikiri Mai: said:
Databook 2 - Kuchiyose: Kirikiri Mai:
Page 211 Kuchiyose: Kirikiri mai

Top black box:
忍術 ・ 口寄せ・斬り斬り舞い
Ninjutsu // Kuchiyose: Kirikiri mai (Summoning: Spinning slashing dance) (wikipedia said ‘quick beheading dance’, but that sounds silly)

使用者 テマリ
User Temari

Bold heading down right:
疾風怒濤 暴れ斬り裂く鎌鼬の舞!!
Roaring whirlwind!! The rampaging and slashing dance of the Kamaitachi!! (Kamitachi is a weasel that it is said can cut things without touching them)

Paragraphs:
巨大扇子で風を操る、砂隠れのテマリの大技!!テマリが巻き起こす強風に、口寄せした鎌鼬を乗せることで、 触れるもの全てを斬り裂き尽くす!!
Temari of Sand Village controls the wind with a massive fan!! She whips up a tempest, and summons a Kamaitachi that rides the winds slashing through everything it touches!!

術の効果範囲は、術者を中心として半径数百mにも及ぶ。またその大旋風は、薙ぎ払われた巨木や岩をも巻き込 み、敵はなす術なく倒れ去るのみ!!
The effects of the jutsu stretch outwards for several hundred metres. The swirling winds also whip up the mowed down trees and boulders which rain down on the helpless enemy!!

多数の敵に四方を囲まれたり、遮蔽物に隠れた敵を攻撃する場合に極めて有効。術の発動後、自身の姿を曝して しまうことだけが、唯一の難点だ。
It is highly effective when surrounded on all sides or when the enemy is hiding behind a shield. The sole weakness of the jutsu is that it exposes the user’s position.

Pictures and captions:
斬り斬り舞い
Spinning slashing dance

舞い乱れし刃 阻み遮るものなし
An unstoppable wildly dancing blade

↑風と同化するほどの俊敏さで、鎌鼬が所狭しと斬りまくる!!
The Kamaitachi cuts through everything with an agility matching the wind!!

←↑一陣の風が吹き抜けた直後、視界が一変!!目の前に拓けた見晴らしのよい壮大な風景が、術の凄まじさを 物語っている。
After the wind has blown through the view changes completely!! The grand scene in front of your eyes shows just how amazing the jutsu is.

Bear in mind that we can't really tell how far the area of effect stretches out because we see the attack, not from bird's eye view but from a slanted perspective. Thus we can't perceive the full distance this attack spans.

Also it is important to note what exactly this attack is and how it is delivered. First off, Temari rubs blood on her fan. Then she swings her fan and out comes , the weasel that decimates everything that comes close to it. This creature is clearly visible when Temari first summons it but once it starts moving,you can no longer see it in any other panels. This is because, as the says, once it starts moving, Kamatari can not be seen by the unaided eye. Considering Kamatari is the medium through which this attack travels, it means this attack is very fast which is proven by the fact that it managed to cover a distance spanning several hundreds of meters in a very small amount of time.

Next, notice the data book says that Temari whips up a tempest, then Kamatari rides this tempest slashing everything in its path. This means the gust of wind that Temari whips up is what causes Kamatari to move so fast. Since current Temari has faster and much more powerful wind attacks, this means that if Temari were to use KKM as of now, the attack would be even faster and its range of devastation would be much greater.

The databook says that kamaitachis in Japanese folklore are weasels that can cut things without touching them. We know that Kishi likes to use Japanese mythology especially with the Uchiha and he also does this with Temari which I'll explain onwards. Take a good look at this between the red lines. Basically while Kamatari is riding the wind current created by Temari, it itself creates massive wind currents from its own scythe. My point in demonstrating this fact is to show that merely attacking Kamatari to stop this jutsu is futile since anyone coming close to Kamatari will get sliced apart before they launch any close range attacks and most long range attacks will most likely get repelled by the heavy wind currents. Coupled with Kamatari's immense speed and destructive power, this jutsu is very difficult to dodge, block and/or stop.
You must be registered for see images

Now to Correct some common Misconceptions
Misconception #1: Tayuya's skin tanked Kiri Kiri Mae​
I've seen quite a few people underrate this technique because they say that Tayuya wasn't sliced apart by the wind slash created by KKM. It is true that Tayuya didn't get cut by the wind slash but this is not because she tanked it, but it is because she never got hit by the wind slash itself. Recall that the data book says that the winds created by KKM end up blowing debris everywhere and this debris, in this case logs of trees, was what hit Tayuya, killing her instantly. Since the wind created by Kamatari sliced apart trees and then blew those logs in all directions, the logs ended up crushing Tayuya before the wind slash itself hit her. Now you must be wondering, why did KKM not hit Tayuya afterwards. Well this is because the incoming tree logs buried Tayuya under a pile of rubble laying Tayuya down. Since Tayuya was laid down, the wind currents created by Kamatari and Kamatari itself passed over herself, thus she never actually got hit by the attack. Another point to note is that Temari was on a when KKM was used thus further supporting the fact that KKM passed over Tayuya as opposed to actually hitting her directly.
You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Misconception #2: Kiri Kiri Mae can't decapitate opponents​

Misconception #2 stems from misconception #1 where people think that KKM never scratched Tayuya's skin, therefore, it can't slice an opponent in half. Now that I have tackled misconception #1, tackling this one should be relatively easy. This proof will use a lot of A>B>C logic which should be valid in this case and possibly some arbitrary and questionable assumptions but you'd most likely be very dense and stubborn if it doesn't occur to you that KKM can decapitate (slice in half) ordinary shinobi.

Proof #1: In english, Kuchiyose: Kiri Kiri Mae is translated to be according to the Naruto Wiki. Of course the English translation of the anime or manga won't use such a gruesome name so it was renamed Summoning: Blade Dance. Anyway the name depicts the technique to be quick which I already explained previously in great detail. Next it also implies that it can behead shinobi which makes sense since nothing less can be expected from a powerful slicing based fuuton.

Proof #2: Weaker attacks compared to Temari's ultimate attack have decapitated opponents so Temari herself is capable of decapitation. For example, Asuma's decapitated Hidan whose durability allowed him to a powerful pressure based wind attack called an attack which can crush ordinary shinobi. The winds/shockwaves created by Kiba's managed to into several pieces. Bear in mind Juubi clones are larger than ordinary ninjas and made out of thick skin so they are obviously more durable than ordinary shinobi. The reason why I consider Temari's KKM to have superior cutting ability than Asuma's hien is because of several reasons:

1. In part one alone, Temari managed to slice hundreds of trees worth of wood and those trees were around a meter thick each. If we take several hundred meters to equal 500 m, it would imply that Temari cut through approximately 500 m worth of wood. This means if a giant wooden structure that is 500 m thick were to face the attack, it would get sliced in half. This is something which Asuma is most likely . Bare in mind I just used a feat of part one Temari's to compare to Asuma's and current Temari is on a whole other level hence that 500 m worth of wood she can cut may actually now be well over 1 km.

2. Temari hasn't used KKM in Shippuden but she was about to use it before Naruto showed up and she stated .
You must be registered for see images
What this means is that KKM's power is comparable to the which managed to inflict some wounds into the 3rd Raikage's immensely durable body. The reason why KKM's power should be comparable is because if it wasn't, Temari would not have contemplated trying to use it. She should have general knowledge on how strong these attacks are since she is a proficient and skilled fuuton user who has them in her arsenal. In the spoiler below, you will notice that who is better than her when it comes to using fuuton so I highly doubt an average jounin who doesn't specialize in fuuton, like Asuma, will trump a jounin like Temari who actually specializes in using fuuton.
You must be registered for see images

3. As for Temari's attacks being stronger than Kiba's, shouldn't this be obvious? A chakra based slicing wind attack from a jounin should be much much more powerful than a non chakra based slicing attack from a chunin. Not debatable. KKM in and of itself isn't a chakra based slicing attack which you will learn later on but it is stronger than Temari's other jutsus which are chakra based.

Proof #3: The Anime team depicted Temari's ability to slice opponents in half. Towards the end of , Temari manages to slice the priest in half before he is sealed. Logically speaking, experts who are in charge of the anime should logically know a lot about the Narutoverse and thus make informed choices when a character does something. This just goes to show that there are experts who agree with me that KKM is capable of decapitation.

Misconception #3: Kiri Kiri Mae is Chakra Based​
Most people make the mistake of assuming that since KKM is a ninjutsu, it can be absorbed by chakra absorbing techniques. This isn't true and now that you have read everything else in my thread, you will realize why it isn't. The way the technique is cast is similar to how Madara's perfect susanoo creates just by swinging its sword, but obviously on a much smaller scale. KKM isn't a wind natured chakra attack since it is Kamatari that produces the massive slicing winds through swinging its scythe and traveling at high speeds. In conclusion, this attack utilises natural winds as a medium of attack, not something made of chakra.
 

AlphaScythian

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Mar 19, 2013
Messages
14,389
Reaction score
1,023
Would be nice if she used it on 3rd raikage :cool:

Grat job man :)
 

-Spoiler-

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Nov 14, 2010
Messages
7,020
Reaction score
460
great thread i dont go in the versus section often but people really said tayuya skin tanked kiri kiri mae? :| its obvious that certain attack arent shown their full potential due to the target age of the series.
 

AGoodBoy

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Feb 9, 2013
Messages
8,028
Reaction score
729
You just said it's the weasle creating slicing winds. Therefore, it wasn't 1 blade of air that cut all those trees, it was several hundred.

This in know way states that Kri Kri mei can't simply be blocked by a jutsu. What, If someone uses a katon, the weasle will casual continue 'riding the winds' while it's burning to death? Is the weasle going to continue while a water jutsu is injuring it?

Also, This doesn't even suggest that KRi Kri mei can cut hard defenses; Seeing as you also stated 'cast net is some kind of kri kri mei' and it was unable to fully cut through the 3rd raikage's unaided flesh, there's nothing suggesting it's cutting things Like gaara's sand, a susano'o, A strong doton defence, or basically anything that's not a normal human or a tree. Or, or, or, Kimi's Bone armor which tanked a chakra enhanced blade.

Tl;dr; The attack isn't that sharp seeing as you self stated iit's the weasle continuously swinging it's scythe and causing the wind. That's more on the levels of being hit with multiple pebbles instead of 1 massive boulder.
 

Icelerate

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Jun 10, 2012
Messages
9,255
Reaction score
1,262
You just said it's the weasle creating slicing winds. Therefore, it wasn't 1 blade of air that cut all those trees, it was several hundred.
It not being one blade doesn't mean it is a weak attack since FRS consists of many tiny wind blades but the net effect is a very powerful attack. KKM isn't on FRS' level because it is more spread out but it is no ordinary wind attack.
This in know way states that Kri Kri mei can't simply be blocked by a jutsu. What, If someone uses a katon, the weasle will casual continue 'riding the winds' while it's burning to death? Is the weasle going to continue while a water jutsu is injuring it?
Katon>fuuton so it should naturally engulf the wind. However, the katon would have to be powerful enough and on a wide enough scale. Water jutsu would get sliced by the wind currents, creating a gaping hole in the water thus allowing Kamatari to go through unharmed.
Also, This doesn't even suggest that KRi Kri mei can cut hard defenses; Seeing as you also stated 'cast net is some kind of kri kri mei' and it was unable to fully cut through the 3rd raikage's unaided flesh, there's nothing suggesting it's cutting things Like gaara's sand, a susano'o, A strong doton defence, or basically anything that's not a normal human or a tree. Or, or, or, Kimi's Bone armor which tanked a chakra enhanced blade.
Never said it can cut susanoo or Gaara's sand. 3rd Raikage's body shits on Kimimaro's so nope, Kimimaro isn't tanking anything of this scale, not a chance especially if we take power scaling into account. If the doton defence is strong enough then yes it would tank KKM but as I already stated in the thread, the attack is fast and making a large wall of earth requires some time. Kimimaro's bone was getting damaged by a chakra enhanced blade from a fodder Samurai, naturally any powerful slicing wind attack from a relevant character, doesn't have to be KKM, would slice through Kimimaro's bones completely.
Tl;dr; The attack isn't that sharp seeing as you self stated iit's the weasle continuously swinging it's scythe and causing the wind. That's more on the levels of being hit with multiple pebbles instead of 1 massive boulder.
If the attack isn't that sharp and can only cut wood, why on Earth would Temari contemplate using it when the Wind Cast Net failed? Use actual logic here and read the damn thread. As for the weasel continuously swinging its scythe, I never explicitly said that and I myself am not too sure about the exact mechanics of KKM hence why I created this thread. I already posted that the net effect of the attack is one giant wind attack which I already pointed out in the thread. So once again, read the thread carefully before posting a reply.
 
Last edited:

AGoodBoy

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Feb 9, 2013
Messages
8,028
Reaction score
729
It not being one blade doesn't mean it is a weak attack since FRS consists of many tiny wind blades but the net effect is a very powerful attack. KKM isn't on FRS' level because it is more spread out but it is no ordinary wind attack.
FRS is tiny blades in one large jutsu. 1 FRS orb can't cut through many objects.
The point I'm making here is that the weasle is recasting the wind jutsu continuously, so it's like having multiply FRS shot off; where 1 FRS is shot in the position it's predecesor exploded and so on.

Katon>fuuton so it should naturally engulf the wind. However, the katon would have to be powerful enough and on a wide enough scale. Water jutsu would get sliced by the wind currents, creating a gaping hole in the water thus allowing Kamatari to go through unharmed.
That doesn't convince me it can cut the water jutsu.
Seeing as it's the weasle redoing that 1 wind jutsu, there's nothing to suggest it's strong enough to cut an entire wave. Even Temari's normal cast net could do that if she were to keep casting it over and over as she moved forward. However, that doesn't suggest she could keep casting while being battered with water. For that matter, it's entirely possible the water would slow down that weasle's movement all together.

Never said it can cut susanoo or Gaara's sand. 3rd Raikage's body shits on Kimimaro's so nope, Kimimaro isn't tanking anything of this scale, not a chance especially if we take power scaling into account. If the doton defence is strong enough then yes it would tank KKM but as I already stated in the thread, the attack is fast and making a large wall of earth requires some time. Kimimaro's bone was getting damaged by a chakra enhanced blade from a fodder Samurai, naturally any powerful slicing wind attack from a relevant character, doesn't have to be KKM, would slice through Kimimaro's bones completely.
3rd Raikage's unaided body isn't much better than an ordinary person's body. So, no, it's not anywhere as good as kimi's body under the influence of his bone armor.
What does power scaling have to do with it? If 1 FRS can't cut you, multiple won't. And, this is exactly that; Where this KRi Kri mae is equivalent to naruto tossing multiple FRS at the 3rd raikage. Seeing as 1 is useless, multiple will still be useless. This isn't one jutsu, like you yourself said; It's multiple wind jutsu performed by a weasle.
lol. I'm not sure If i should even take this next sentence seriously or not. Not only did the swords not cut through kimi's bone, but chakra enhanced objects are sharper than any normal wind jutsu hence why asuma used a chakra enhanced blade instead of making simple . This is completely baseless. Infact, If you can show me a wind jutsu cutting steel, then you might have an argument here.
And, The following is utterly baseless. I'll say, 'not well justified' instead.

Icelerate said:
Proof #2: Weaker attacks compared to Temari's ultimate attack have decapitated opponents so Temari herself is capable of decapitation. For example, Asuma's hien decapitated Hidan whose durability allowed him to tank a powerful pressure based wind attack called Atsugai an attack which can crush ordinary shinobi. The winds/shockwaves created by Kiba's Tail-Chasing Gagatenga, Rotating Fang managed to cut apart Juubi clones into several pieces. Bear in mind Juubi clones are larger than ordinary ninjas and made out of thick skin made from the Juubi itself so they are obviously more durable than ordinary shinobi. The reason why I consider Temari's KKM to have superior cutting ability than Asuma's hien is because of several reasons:


If the attack isn't that sharp and can only cut wood, why on Earth would Temari contemplate using it when the Wind Cast Net failed? Use actual logic here and read the damn thread.
You're the one saying it's like Cast net -_-........ Did you ever think she was going for a case of volume of attack instead of power; seeing as that was the only option she had left? -_- As in; Multiple TBB is better than 1 tbb, or multiple FRS is better than 1 frs -_-...

Icelerate said:
What this means is that KKM's power is comparable to the Wind Cast Net which managed to inflict some wounds into the 3rd Raikage's immensely durable body. The reason why KKM's power should be comparable is because if it wasn't, Temari would not have contemplated trying to use it. She should have general knowledge on how strong these attacks are since she is a proficient and skilled fuuton user who has them in her arsenal. In the spoiler below, you will notice that she can't think of anyone who is better than her when it comes to using fuuton so I highly doubt an average jounin who doesn't specialize in fuuton, like Asuma, will trump a jounin like Temari who actually specializes in using fuuton.
 
Last edited:

Icelerate

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Jun 10, 2012
Messages
9,255
Reaction score
1,262
FRS is tiny blades in one large jutsu. 1 FRS orb can't cut through many objects.
The point I'm making here is that the weasle is recasting the wind jutsu continuously, so it's like having multiply FRS shot off; where 1 FRS is shot in the position it's predecesor exploded and so on.
If the weasel is recasting the wind jutsu continuously, it is doing it rapidly which means that those many wind currents collide together producing as shown in the manga. Your example is way off because FRS can't be recasted nigh immediately in an extremely short period of time unlike Kamatari swinging its blade over and over again.
That doesn't convince me it can cut the water jutsu.
Seeing as it's the weasle redoing that 1 wind jutsu, there's nothing to suggest it's strong enough to cut an entire wave. Even Temari's normal cast net could do that if she were to keep casting it over and over as she moved forward. However, that doesn't suggest she could keep casting while being battered with water. For that matter, it's entirely possible the water would slow down that weasle's movement all together.
Depends on how large the wave is but yes, a wave of water would slow the weasel and the attack down as well as lessen its damage output. However, Kamatari will be relatively safe and undamaged since that huge wind current I just posted previously will create a giant gaping hole in a wave of water. But it depends how thick the water is and how heavy it is.
3rd Raikage's unaided body isn't much better than an ordinary person's body. So, no, it's not anywhere as good as kimi's body under the influence of his bone armor.
What does power scaling have to do with it? If 1 FRS can't cut you, multiple won't. And, this is exactly that; Where this KRi Kri mae is equivalent to naruto tossing multiple FRS at the 3rd raikage. Seeing as 1 is useless, multiple will still be useless. This isn't one jutsu, like you yourself said; It's multiple wind jutsu performed by a weasle.
lol. I'm not sure If i should even take this next sentence seriously or not. Not only did the swords not cut through kimi's bone, but chakra enhanced objects are sharper than any normal wind jutsu hence why asuma used a chakra enhanced blade instead of making simple . This is completely baseless. Infact, If you can show me a wind jutsu cutting steel, then you might have an argument here.
And, The following is utterly baseless. I'll say, 'not well justified' instead.

Lol the 3rd Raikage's unaided body is far more durable than any ordinary human by far. Much better than Kimimaro's whose . I just countered the FRS point since the multiple FRS that Naruto casts aren't going to converge with each other, therefore, they won't amplify the damage unlike Kamatari which I just showed you and explained previously. Instead of posting a wind jutsu cutting steel, what about something much more durable than ordinary steel, such as the ? Anyway you say that physical blade of wind has better cutting properties than ordinary wind attacks but this is false since when Danzo used an ordinary wind blade, it to Sasuke's ribcage susanoo. Afterwards he used a pure wind slash, however, it managed to . I know Danzo's fuuton was enhanced by Baku but the since this since the version of susanoo boasts a much greater defence, my point stands regardless.

As for why Asuma doesn't make simple wind blades with his hand. Maybe because wielding a physical weapon is much easier as it can be slashed around continuously whereas the one Baki used was a one time slash. Also Asuma hasn't shown he can use the jutsu Baki used so we can't compare.

When I talked about power scaling, I meant that the same attack Temari used in part one would be much stronger if she used it now for obvious reasons that I actually posted in the OP.
You're the one saying it's like Cast net -_-........ Did you ever think she was going for a case of volume of attack instead of power; seeing as that was the only option she had left? -_- As in; Multiple TBB is better than 1 tbb, or multiple FRS is better than 1 frs -_-...

But Kiri Kiri mae in and of itself is a different jutsu than wind cast net. Not multiple wind cast nets.
 
Last edited:

fayeon

Banned
Veteran
Joined
Dec 12, 2012
Messages
3,929
Reaction score
364
Temari is amazing
i really wanted to see her fight the raikage instead of naruto ,but oh well


Kinda off topic :

I remember you said (i might be mistaken for another member) that sakura beat temari

I am big sakura fan but i don't see how she beat teamri (not if temari used this jutsu at first )

Or Maybe she uses regeneration.


Anyway really nice thread and effort .
 

Icelerate

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Jun 10, 2012
Messages
9,255
Reaction score
1,262
Temari is amazing
i really wanted to see her fight the raikage instead of naruto ,but oh well


Kinda off topic :

I remember you said (i might be mistaken for another member) that sakura beat temari

I am big sakura fan but i don't see how she beat teamri (not if temari used this jutsu at first )

Or Maybe she uses regeneration.


Anyway really nice thread and effort .
Temari had no chance against the 3rd Raikage and her division was barely holding back a non lightning armoured 3rd Raikage. Therefore Naruto was needed to fight him. I did say Sakura can beat Temari because punching the ground could kill Temari while Temari is distracted by Katsuyu.
 

fayeon

Banned
Veteran
Joined
Dec 12, 2012
Messages
3,929
Reaction score
364
Temari had no chance against the 3rd Raikage and her division was barely holding back a non lightning armoured 3rd Raikage. Therefore Naruto was needed to fight him. I did say Sakura can beat Temari because punching the ground could kill Temari while Temari is distracted by Katsuyu.

I didn't mean she beat the Raikage
but i wanted her to Be able to use her kirkiri and fight more ,until Naruto comes .

As for sakura , maybe i am not too sure .
 

Icelerate

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Jun 10, 2012
Messages
9,255
Reaction score
1,262
I didn't mean she beat the Raikage
but i wanted her to Be able to use her kirkiri and fight more ,until Naruto comes .

As for sakura , maybe i am not too sure .
I wanted Temari to use KKM against Madara's jukai koutan, against the Juubi fodder and against the God Tree because theoretically, it is an effective counter.

Sakura VS Temari can go either way but I can make arguments for both.
 

-Sky-

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Nov 13, 2011
Messages
5,335
Reaction score
545
One of those doubters , I once was . Seen the light , I have .
 

Owarij

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Oct 3, 2011
Messages
13,322
Reaction score
990
How long now have you had the idea for this thread?


OT - Good read, never gave Temari's skillset a fair look . Shame we did not get to see it in shippuden
 

Ovan

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Feb 24, 2013
Messages
2,623
Reaction score
86
Congrats to making such a great thread. o.o
 

Icelerate

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Jun 10, 2012
Messages
9,255
Reaction score
1,262
One of those doubters , I once was . Seen the light , I have .
It is nice to know that someone who was hard pressed in this thread to have changed their mind so quickly. ( )
How long now have you had the idea for this thread?


OT - Good read, never gave Temari's skillset a fair look . Shame we did not get to see it in shippuden
Well there was this thread where a couple of people said Temari's wind can't decapitate. These two included Grand Master Yoda who actually debated for 5 pages against Sasorioftheredsand, KidGamer65, The Damn Batman and myself. Eventually we all stopped posting in that thread and I decided to analyse KKM since I've always wondered how exactly this jutsu works. Even now, I'm not 100% sure of the specific mechanics behind the jutsu since it happened very quickly and only once. The data book gives some detail but it alone shouldn't be taken literally and neither should Naruto Wiki. This is just a discussion to see whether I made any mistakes or not.

Another thing that was bothering me was quite a few people believed and still believe that this technique is very weak since it didn't scratch Tayuya's skin, however, I refuted all of that.
 
Last edited:

Scryed

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Nov 16, 2011
Messages
3,330
Reaction score
171
Been a while since I've seen a thread like this one.

It was a good read. Never paid much attention to Temari but never thought she'd be able to pull something like that in Part 1.

She had potential for Part 2 but hasn't shown anything of that caliber anymore.
 

paratise

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Feb 28, 2013
Messages
16,197
Reaction score
1,899
Well i already knew 1 and 2; but 3 is new never thought of that. Nice read and good job as always.
 

iSpyder

Leaf Village Regular 🍃
Regular
Joined
Dec 24, 2010
Messages
501
Reaction score
35
Whats the difference between temaris wind jutsu and rock lee?
Ask Foddara Uchiha
 

ShaneEyyy

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Apr 19, 2012
Messages
2,972
Reaction score
395
Nice thread. I agree with 1 and 2; however, I think you have it wrong on 3.

The attack actually is chakra based, but it's not Temari's wind chakra, it's her summoning's chakra.

Her summoning used wind release to spread the wind such a distance. There is no way a weasel spinning fast would cause such damage over 200m, the weasel enhanced his cutting power with wind release. This is similar to how Gamabunta uses water release to spew out water guns. Summonings can use elemental jutsu.

If you are going by Naruto Wiki on some points, the Wiki also says the jutsu is a wind release:

Actually, still thinking about this, I believe Temari did use wind chakra to use the tech. As you could see, she swung her fan to create wind to send her weasel flying. So I believe it was her who used wind chakra to give the weasel a boost then the weasel finished the job.


Also, this is another important thing I must say. If you say Temari swinging her fan is just like Susanoo swinging it' sword to create a powerful shockwave of winds, then by that logic, none of Temari's jutsu is Fuuton because you're saying her swinging her fan is just a shockwave of wind which uses the weasel as a medium to expand and strengthen it. As Temari already admitted she uses Fuuton, it should be evident her swinging her fan to push the weasel into action is wind chakra based.


All in all, good thread
 
Top