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[KGB Kakuzu]

Man who overtook the juubi, weak willed?

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Can't help but agree...



OT: I only have one flaw with Obito, and that his personality change from before and after the mask.


He doesn't care who he is and doesn't want to be anyone, and yet now here he is having some extreme displays of emotion...which makes no sense if he doesn't care about who he is. He also said he only cares for the infinite tsukiyomi, but hardly uses it as his motivation (though..obviously instead why he wants it is his motivation).


He is constantly trying to talk people into giving up after its been made VERY clear that no one plans to quit (the Rock Lee one was a poor attempt). If he doesn't truly care about the world, and he even before that doesn't care about himself...why should he care about the opinions of others....ESPECIALLY others that exist in a world he has deemed "False...or even Hell."



As for the Rin argument...I think in his head Kishi did it right... but when he wrote it down he did it poorly.


1. When Kakashi asks what's going on he makes the comment, "Because you let Rin die".

2. Soon after he completely goes almost 180 and says, "If you think I'm doing this just because Rin died...then you're wrong"


^^^^^

They kinda contradict one another.


The way I see it, Obito's main drive, and any moment he gets inspiration to continue... he should not be thinking about Rin, but about the world and infinite tsukiyomi he wants to make.

He should have said something like this: When Rin died, I saw that the world was truly corrupt and wrong. It was an existing hell, and so I have decided to change that hell.

^^^

IDK..but this gives him a more realistic or sensual goal and reason.

1. The death of a woman whom he one-sidedly loved does not cause a world war.

2. His main goal and inspiration really is his motivation and drive...closer to Naruto's Hokage dream/Acknowledged dream than a more lost love related cause.

3. Rin's return would be a benefit of his drive.

4. The return (via illusion) of anyone he cares for, but killed is a benefit


I think Kishimoto could have done a better portrayal of this concept.

 

[Senju Bean]

It makes sense. I understand the Rin was simply the final straw and not the only cause. But I just don't like the way Kishi showed Obito's decent. The way Kishi did it was to made it seem like Obito suddenly had a 180 turn in personality. These things take time to develop. Anikan from Star Wars was shown his descent far before he turned into Darth Vader.

Obito character should have been developed in a more prolonged order. You know, have him slightly more dark after the cave-in. After Rin's death, have him turn into someone like Nagato, where he still somewhat cares. Then, have a set of other events finally turn him pure evil. That is how I like to see our ultimate villain developed.

 

[The Necromancer]

Can't help but agree...



OT: I only have one flaw with Obito, and that his personality change from before and after the mask.


He doesn't care who he is and doesn't want to be anyone, and yet now here he is having some extreme displays of emotion...which makes no sense if he doesn't care about who he is. He also said he only cares for the infinite tsukiyomi, but hardly uses it as his motivation (though..obviously instead why he wants it is his motivation).


He is constantly trying to talk people into giving up after its been made VERY clear that no one plans to quit (the Rock Lee one was a poor attempt). If he doesn't truly care about the world, and he even before that doesn't care about himself...why should he care about the opinions of others....ESPECIALLY others that exist in a world he has deemed "False...or even Hell."



As for the Rin argument...I think in his head Kishi did it right... but when he wrote it down he did it poorly.


1. When Kakashi asks what's going on he makes the comment, "Because you let Rin die".

2. Soon after he completely goes almost 180 and says, "If you think I'm doing this just because Rin died...then you're wrong"


^^^^^

They kinda contradict one another.


The way I see it, Obito's main drive, and any moment he gets inspiration to continue... he should not be thinking about Rin, but about the world and infinite tsukiyomi he wants to make.

He should have said something like this: When Rin died, I saw that the world was truly corrupt and wrong. It was an existing hell, and so I have decided to change that hell.

^^^

IDK..but this gives him a more realistic or sensual goal and reason.

1. The death of a woman whom he one-sidedly loved does not cause a world war.

2. His main goal and inspiration really is his motivation and drive...closer to Naruto's Hokage dream/Acknowledged dream than a more lost love related cause.

3. Rin's return would be a benefit of his drive.

4. The return (via illusion) of anyone he cares for, but killed is a benefit


I think Kishimoto could have done a better portrayal of this concept.

Agreed. His complete self contradiction is part of the reason i can't take his character seriously. He became far too humanized after the mask was removed as well.

It makes sense. I understand the Rin was simply the final straw and not the only cause. But I just don't like the way Kishi showed Obito's decent. The way Kishi did it was to made it seem like Obito suddenly had a 180 turn in personality. These things take time to develop. Anikan from Star Wars was shown his descent far before he turned into Darth Vader.

Obito character should have been developed in a more prolonged order. You know, have him slightly more dark after the cave-in. After Rin's death, have him turn into someone like Nagato, where he still somewhat cares. Then, have a set of other events finally turn him pure evil. That is how I like to see our ultimate villain developed.

Exactly. I would have even appreciated a somewhat darker obito once he awoke even before he talked to madara.

But no, from the second he wakes up till the second he sees rin die, it's all "i can't wait to get back to kakashi and rin and to watch rainbows again and be hokage and kiss girls and blah blah blah" then rin dies and "i guess it's time to destroy the world."

Way too left field with hardly any motivation beforehand.

 

[The God of Wind]

Can't help but agree...



OT: I only have one flaw with Obito, and that his personality change from before and after the mask.


He doesn't care who he is and doesn't want to be anyone, and yet now here he is having some extreme displays of emotion...which makes no sense if he doesn't care about who he is. He also said he only cares for the infinite tsukiyomi, but hardly uses it as his motivation (though..obviously instead why he wants it is his motivation).


He is constantly trying to talk people into giving up after its been made VERY clear that no one plans to quit (the Rock Lee one was a poor attempt). If he doesn't truly care about the world, and he even before that doesn't care about himself...why should he care about the opinions of others....ESPECIALLY others that exist in a world he has deemed "False...or even Hell."



As for the Rin argument...I think in his head Kishi did it right... but when he wrote it down he did it poorly.


1. When Kakashi asks what's going on he makes the comment, "Because you let Rin die".

2. Soon after he completely goes almost 180 and says, "If you think I'm doing this just because Rin died...then you're wrong"


^^^^^

They kinda contradict one another.


The way I see it, Obito's main drive, and any moment he gets inspiration to continue... he should not be thinking about Rin, but about the world and infinite tsukiyomi he wants to make.

He should have said something like this: When Rin died, I saw that the world was truly corrupt and wrong. It was an existing hell, and so I have decided to change that hell.

^^^

IDK..but this gives him a more realistic or sensual goal and reason.

1. The death of a woman whom he one-sidedly loved does not cause a world war.

2. His main goal and inspiration really is his motivation and drive...closer to Naruto's Hokage dream/Acknowledged dream than a more lost love related cause.

3. Rin's return would be a benefit of his drive.

4. The return (via illusion) of anyone he cares for, but killed is a benefit


I think Kishimoto could have done a better portrayal of this concept.

Obito's motivation has always been Rin. Please don't misunderstand. When I say "motivation", I am not referring to his "reason" for seeking out Mugen Tsukuyomi.

Rin is always in his thoughts, her memories are what keep his sanity and will intact, much like how Naruto's motivations come from all that's been entrusted to him by various people, mainly Jiraiya, Nagato and his Parents.


When Obito is in a potentially catastrophic situation, Rin, or rather, Rin's memory is what gives him strength.

This following manga page proves this without a doubt:

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As you can see, as the Juubi is tearing Obito's psyche apart piece by piece from the inside, tearing away everything that keeps Obito's mind together, the only part that Obito cannot stand to get torn from him is Rin's memory.

I think people are confusing this for his reasons for starting a war and whatnot.


In truth, Obito and Naruto's reasons are the same, the exact same. They are both aware of how shit the world is, and they are both trying to change it, just going about it in completely opposite ways.

And it's also true that Obito has no attachment to himself or his own identity. He simply sees himself as a messenger, someone who will end this cycle of trash once and for all.

 

[The God of Wind]

Agreed. His complete self contradiction is part of the reason i can't take his character seriously. He became far too humanized after the mask was removed as well.



Exactly. I would have even appreciated a somewhat darker obito once he awoke even before he talked to madara.

But no, from the second he wakes up till the second he sees rin die, it's all "i can't wait to get back to kakashi and rin and to watch rainbows again and be hokage and kiss girls and blah blah blah" then rin dies and "i guess it's time to destroy the world."

Way too left field with hardly any motivation beforehand.

Bro, you're just not understanding the gravity of the situation he was put in. It's wasn't "all of a sudden". Obito was in that layer for years! Notice how long his hair gets. That whole time, he's been rejecting everything that Madara had to say. Back then, Obito still had hopes, ideals and dreams. Obito still believed in the positive side of things, even though he had already been put through hell. You just don't understand what it's like to see all those hopes get annihilated right in front of you. The realization that dawned on him, Madara's words were the only thing that made any sense. So Obito made Madara's words his ideology right then and there.

 

[The Necromancer]

Bro, you're just not understanding the gravity of the situation he was put in. It's wasn't "all of a sudden". Obito was in that layer for years! Notice how long his hair gets. That whole time, he's been rejecting everything that Madara had to say. Back then, Obito still had hopes, ideals and dreams. Obito still believed in the positive side of things, even though he had already been put through hell. You just don't understand what it's like to see all those hopes get annihilated right in front of you. The realization that dawned on him, Madara's words were the only thing that made any sense. So Obito made Madara's words his ideology right then and there.

I doubt it was years. But years, months, decades, weeks, days, doesn't matter. The entire time he was completely the same as before the incident, only to change after rin died. No matter how "strong willed" he may appear now, he was manipulated by only a few words from a man he had never met because of a situation i'm sure more than 75% of the shinobi world had also gone through.

Like him if you want, but you have done little to convince me of his "superior" characterization.

 

[htmwall]

i disliked how suddenly he realised the world is messed up just when rin died,kabuto could have taken that role way better,because of his backstory.
i've also disliked how he controlled the juubi with the power of love,oh well uchiha always pull magical stuff because of it.Zzz

 

[The God of Wind]

I doubt it was years. But years, months, decades, weeks, days, doesn't matter. The entire time he was completely the same as before the incident, only to change after rin died. No matter how "strong willed" he may appear now, he was manipulated by only a few words from a man he had never met because of a situation i'm sure more than 75% of the shinobi world had also gone through.

Like him if you want, but you have done little to convince me of his "superior" characterization.

Which part were you referring to?

Accepting death and losing half of the skeletal and muscular composition of your own body for your comrades?

Being trapped in a dark cave with a bonafide psychotic mad man for years?

Rehabilitating yourself from sheer willpower and hope after a near death experience?

Or witnessing the destruction of the only people you cared about in the whole world after going through all of the above?

Do you even realize how many different types of physical and mental trauma Obito suffered from? How he kept it all together through all of that extreme trauma?

His comrades, hopes of getting back together with them someday is how!

After he watched those comrades get desecrated right before his very eyes, of course he would fall apart!

Who the **** wouldn't?


I don't think you understand the meaning of "losing everything you ever cared about" or "having all your hopes and ideals getting stomped on" "all of a sudden"!


BTW, I couldn't care less of whether or not you're "convinced". I found this gem of a post completely gratifying, so I shared it. End of story.

 

[Klad]

Agreed , to whoever made this . People just don't understand Obito , mad beacause he is the final villian and is the strongest , and call him a crybaby for Rin .

Butthurts everywhere ... U_U

 

[The Necromancer]

Which part were you referring to?

Accepting death and losing half of the skeletal and muscular composition of your own body for your comrades?

Being trapped in a dark cave with a bonafide psychotic mad man for years?

Rehabilitating yourself from sheer willpower and hope after a near death experience?

Or witnessing the destruction of the only people you cared about in the whole world after going through all of the above?

Do you even realize how many different types of physical and mental trauma Obito suffered from? How he kept it all together through all of that extreme trauma?

His comrades, hopes of getting back together with them someday is how!

After he watched those comrades get desecrated right before his very eyes, of course he would fall apart!

Who the **** wouldn't?


I don't think you understand the meaning of "losing everything you ever cared about" or "having all your hopes and ideals getting stomped on" "all of a sudden"!


BTW, I couldn't care less of whether or not you're "convinced". I found this gem of a post completely gratifying, so I shared it. End of story.

For not caring, you sure are emotional while defending it. I don't think YOU understand. Obito throughout the "years" as you believe it to be, was unphased. He joked around with the zetsu and even made fun of madara, trained to become stronger, and talked about rin and kakashi constantly and in his sleep.

Even after madara began his manipulation, obito thought only about how his friendship and teamwork with kakashi will strengthen with their connecting eyes. He constantly berated Madara for being a naive old man and that he needed to go back to konoha with his friends.

If anything, his moment with kakashi while saving rin amounts to Naruto's moment with iruka and kakashi, and yet naruto's fine.

I'm tired of typing this because i'll never like obito's motivation so i'm gonna stop right there. Good luck, though.

 

[startup97]

I like Obito now.

 

[KingHashirama]

I'm really tired of people making every single villain of Naruto into this "dark savior"... when they aren't. Obito is legitfully evil. Everything he says is to affect the enemies mind and morale.

"Obito wants to have peace in the world".... no the f*ck he doesn't.... he wants to be the supreme ruler of the world. Killing people for joy.... yet fanboys /haters wanna talk about peace.


I swear the members are so gullible

 

[The God of Wind]

For not caring, you sure are emotional while defending it. I don't think YOU understand. Obito throughout the "years" as you believe it to be, was unphased. He joked around with the zetsu and even made fun of madara, trained to become stronger, and talked about rin and kakashi constantly and in his sleep.

Even after madara began his manipulation, obito thought only about how his friendship and teamwork with kakashi will strengthen with their connecting eyes. He constantly berated Madara for being a naive old man and that he needed to go back to konoha with his friends.

If anything, his moment with kakashi while saving rin amounts to Naruto's moment with iruka and kakashi, and yet naruto's fine.

I'm tired of typing this because i'll never like obito's motivation so i'm gonna stop right there. Good luck, though.

@ 1st bold: Exactly! Like I said, it all revolved around reuniting with them. That's why he held on and moved forward with his life even though he was in the worst possible predicament.

He believed in his promise from Kakashi, he almost thought for certain that his sacrifice for Rin and Kakashi would not be in vain.

Hopes and ideals. That's all he had, nothing more.

And then it all came crashing down. You just don't understand the magnitude of that situation.

@ 2nd bold: lol wut?! That made no ****ing sense...........

 

[The God of Wind]

I like Obito now.

Excellent.........

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Obito's motivation has always been Rin. Please don't misunderstand. When I say "motivation", I am not referring to his "reason" for seeking out Mugen Tsukuyomi.

Rin is always in his thoughts, her memories are what keep his sanity and will intact, much like how Naruto's motivations come from all that's been entrusted to him by various people, mainly Jiraiya, Nagato and his Parents.


When Obito is in a potentially catastrophic situation, Rin, or rather, Rin's memory is what gives him strength.

This following manga page proves this without a doubt:

Spoiler

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As you can see, as the Juubi is tearing Obito's psyche apart piece by piece from the inside, tearing away everything that keeps Obito's mind together, the only part that Obito cannot stand to get torn from him is Rin's memory.

I think people are confusing this for his reasons for starting a war and whatnot.


In truth, Obito and Naruto's reasons are the same, the exact same. They are both aware of how shit the world is, and they are both trying to change it, just going about it in completely opposite ways.

And it's also true that Obito has no attachment to himself or his own identity. He simply sees himself as a messenger, someone who will end this cycle of trash once and for all.

Therein is the problem. How can he really have that much love for her. I mean I'd completely understand MUTUAL love such as Siblings or lovers....but it is one sided.

I could understand him being extremely upset or hurt, but at that levek it is where you remember them, but move on. Using their loss to inspire you forward to protecting those around you.

Not killing anyone and everyone to get somethinf he knows is an illusion...and to furthermore justify killing those he seems to hold as inspiration and friends because he can make illusions of them.

 

[The God of Wind]

Therein is the problem. How can he really have that much love for her. I mean I'd completely understand MUTUAL love such as Siblings or lovers....but it is one sided.

I could understand him being extremely upset or hurt, but at that levek it is where you remember them, but move on. Using their loss to inspire you forward to protecting those around you.

Not killing anyone and everyone to get somethinf he knows is an illusion...and to furthermore justify killing those he seems to hold as inspiration and friends because he can make illusions of them.

Therein lies your problem friend...........

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