Amplifying The Eternal

[Varrah]

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Jūbi:​

The concept of this thread is predicated precisely on the Jūbi’s acquisition of its Dōjutsu, and if it’s a natural phenomenal or a mechanism invented by the Sage.

Regarding the descriptions of the Jūbi, it is a symbol of the Earth. A representation. If it is a representation, does this mean the dynamics of its eye are too? Is the Sharingan, a more distinction, more natural essence than previously assumed? I reasoned so, but there are few indications of the Sharingan being a mechanism similar to the Curse Seal, and the Jūbi being an amalgamation of the world—which transformed into what it is currently known as. [

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The shell of the Jūbi, the Gedō Mazō is the primary belief for the Sharingan being likened the Curse Seal. The Gedō Mazō is simply a ghostly form of the Jūbi when put in an idle state. We currently are viewing the Mazō in an incomplete form, and essentially collecting natural energy and entering a flawed Sennin Transformation, which may very well be through the Sharingan. Much like Jūgo, this causes the Jūbi to go on rampages and reasonably implicating,that Mugen Tsukuyomi is a Sennin ocular technique. [

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Acquisition:​

The eventual absorption of enough Natural Energy will result in the Jūbi acquiring it's final Dōjutsu. It may be the ultimate acquisition of this Dōjutsu will be the final transformation. Prior ones may serve to appropriate the Jūbi's arms/legs etc.[

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The remaining Bijū may also enable the Jūbi's Dōjutsu to exceed its current capabilities, and why the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan is displayed with two kaleidoscope designs. [

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Orochimaru's Research:​

Ethnological parallels indicate a massive contribution towards Sasuke attaining a substantial chakra improvement through innate absorbing Shizen enerugī (Natural energy) that is predicated off Orochimaru’s Juinjutsu underpinning, Jūgo. Orochimaru deciphered how to utilize natural energy thanks to Jūgo's abilities and its connection to the Ryūchi Cave, but was also unable to use it correctly because of the lack of durable bodies to host such a power. Furthermore; Orochimaru’s Juinjutsu is utilized to prepare either suitable followers or potential hosts suitable to contain his essence. Survivors are compatible with the enzymes present in Jūgo, which is shown when Jūgo transferred a portion of his flesh to an injured Sasuke healing him. These enzymes enable the person to enter a certain change known as Senninka (Sage Transformation).

Such a transformation, permits a person increased physical abilities and allows their bodies to perform various shape-shifting acts by passively absorbing natural energy. The latter potentially plays a vital aspect in evolving Sasuke’s chakra reserves, and intensifying their physical process abilities. However, even though Jūgo can absorb natural energy unresponsively without being turned into a statue, as the failures of Senjutsu do, his body cannot control the vast power floods that complements the conversion intrinsically; thus he is susceptible to periodically rage. Although, unlike Jūgo, Sasuke has demonstrated control over Orochimaru’s Ten no Juin (Cursed Seal of Heaven) transformation and this control is optional for Kishimoto to use as a basis for Sasuke controlling Jūgo’s Shizen enerugī (natural energy) ability. Sasuke is the strong body capable of hosting Jūgo’s abilities.

Furthermore, the Sharingan undeniably displays three tomoe that are only part of its design. The "circle" it is drawn with is truly the iris of a person's eye prominently emphasized. It has the form of a Curse mark positioned over a person's eye. [

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Collective:​

Shizen enerugī or natural energy is energy that can be composed from the atmosphere and environment. If one can collect the natural energy from around them and combine and balance it with the spiritual and physical energy that makes up their chakra, they can become a Sennin or Sage and enter the Sage Mode, allowing them to use Senjutsu.

Oddly in occurrence, Sasuke previously has used Senjutsu through Orochimaru’s Curse Seal when exercising its corroding transformations capabilities—which is a power originating at Ryūchi Cave, a legendary place that is the equivalent of Mount Myōboku and Shikkotsu Forest, and where Kabuto accomplished achieving Sage Mode.

Principally, Sasuke is a distant practitioner in the Senjutsu realm: unknowingly by exhausting or using Orochimaru’s adulterated Curse Seal. Sasuke’s compatibility and exceptionally practice with and over the seal will most likely serve as a base for him heightening his powers far beyond the normal Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan capabilities, which may be why Suigetsu claimed that the scroll’s contents could be actualized by Sasuke given time—challenging Orochimaru’s expertise in the matter making him a suitable instructor for properly translating the material to his former student (whose body he hopes to gain). [

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True Power:​

Recall Itachi's words. Itachi may have knew of this before his final living bout with Sasuke, as even with his intellect, he claimed that Sasuke could rise above Madara or that Madara would be inferior in terms of glory despite his immense power. In addition, Sasuke through this direction can comprehend the symbolism of the Tengu that is cross-lined with the Uchiha. [

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Summary:​

It is apparent that there is an intricate link between Shizen enerugī (Natural energy), the Sharingan's design, and the Jūbi. Fundamentally, that the Sharingan's design serves as a 'divine attractor' of sorts, attracting in the Shizen enerugī (Natural energy) within its apparent surroundings, and transferring it to the wielder of the Dōjutsu or the Curse Seal. By extension, this could imply that the Jūbi's Sennin transformations were ultimately achieved through it's unmistakably large eye. Additionally, this could suggest that due to the attraction through the Dōjutsu and the absorption of Shizen enerugī (Natural energy) through the bodily function, the Curse Seal, that acquiring unheard of powers may be possible, especially for Sasuke. [

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[The Western Wheel]

Nicely put!

 

[Prince Charles]

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Good theory, but im still sketchy on the whole sharigan having sort of a link between natural energy.
The fact that people that master sm like kabuto or naruto can collect natural energy without the use of a doujutsu...

Also were still not sure about the origins of the juubi"s eye, for all we know the tomeos in its eye can be a representation for something else.

You have a good point on the curse mark and 3t tomeo, but as shown the 3 tomeo evolves more taking on a new design.

Also when did sasuke use senjutusu through orochimarus curse seal? Can i have a scan?

 

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Jūbi:​

The concept of this thread is predicated precisely on the Jūbi’s acquisition of its Dōjutsu, and if it’s a natural phenomenal or a mechanism invented by the Sage.

Regarding the descriptions of the Jūbi, it is a symbol of the Earth. A representation. If it is a representation, does this mean the dynamics of its eye are too? Is the Sharingan, a more distinction, more natural essence than previously assumed? I reasoned so, but there are few indications of the Sharingan being a mechanism similar to the Curse Seal, and the Jūbi being an amalgamation of the world—which transformed into what it is currently known as. [

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The shell of the Jūbi, the Gedō Mazō is the primary belief for the Sharingan being likened the Curse Seal. The Gedō Mazō is simply a ghostly form of the Jūbi when put in an idle state. We currently are viewing the Mazō in an incomplete form, and essentially collecting natural energy and entering a flawed Sennin Transformation, which may very well be through the Sharingan. Much like Jūgo, this causes the Jūbi to go on rampages and reasonably implicating,that Mugen Tsukuyomi is a Sennin ocular technique. [

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Orochimaru's Research:​

Ethnological parallels indicate a massive contribution towards Sasuke attaining a substantial chakra improvement through innate absorbing Shizen enerugī (Natural energy) that is predicated off Orochimaru’s Juinjutsu underpinning, Jūgo. Orochimaru deciphered how to utilize natural energy thanks to Jūgo's abilities and its connection to the Ryūchi Cave, but was also unable to use it correctly because of the lack of durable bodies to host such a power. Furthermore; Orochimaru’s Juinjutsu is utilized to prepare either suitable followers or potential hosts suitable to contain his essence. Survivors are compatible with the enzymes present in Jūgo, which is shown when Jūgo transferred a portion of his flesh to an injured Sasuke healing him. These enzymes enable the person to enter a certain change known as Senninka (Sage Transformation).

Such a transformation, permits a person increased physical abilities and allows their bodies to perform various shape-shifting acts by passively absorbing natural energy. The latter potentially plays a vital aspect in evolving Sasuke’s chakra reserves, and intensifying their physical process abilities. However, even though Jūgo can absorb natural energy unresponsively without being turned into a statue, as the failures of Senjutsu do, his body cannot control the vast power floods that complements the conversion intrinsically; thus he is susceptible to periodically rage. Although, unlike Jūgo, Sasuke has demonstrated control over Orochimaru’s Ten no Juin (Cursed Seal of Heaven) transformation and this control is optional for Kishimoto to use as a basis for Sasuke controlling Jūgo’s Shizen enerugī (natural energy) ability. Sasuke is the strong body capable of hosting Jūgo’s abilities.

Furthermore, the Sharingan undeniably displays three tomoe that are only part of its design. The "circle" it is drawn with is truly the iris of a person's eye prominently emphasized. It has the form of a Curse mark positioned over a person's eye. [

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Collective:​

Shizen enerugī or natural energy is energy that can be composed from the atmosphere and environment. If one can collect the natural energy from around them and combine and balance it with the spiritual and physical energy that makes up their chakra, they can become a Sennin or Sage and enter the Sage Mode, allowing them to use Senjutsu.

Oddly in occurrence, Sasuke previously has used Senjutsu through Orochimaru’s Curse Seal when exercising its corroding transformations capabilities—which is a power originating at Ryūchi Cave, a legendary place that is the equivalent of Mount Myōboku and Shikkotsu Forest, and where Kabuto accomplished achieving Sage Mode.

Principally, Sasuke is a distant practitioner in the Senjutsu realm: unknowingly by exhausting or using Orochimaru’s adulterated Curse Seal. Sasuke’s compatibility and exceptionally practice with and over the seal will most likely serve as a base for him heightening his powers far beyond the normal Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan capabilities, which may be why Suigetsu claimed that the scroll’s contents could be actualized by Sasuke given time—challenging Orochimaru’s expertise in the matter making him a suitable instructor for properly translating the material to his former student (whose body he hopes to gain). [

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True Power:​

Recall Itachi's words. Itachi may have knew of this before his final living bout with Sasuke, as even with his intellect, he claimed that Sasuke could rise above Madara or that Madara would be inferior in terms of glory despite his immense power. In addition, Sasuke through this direction can comprehend the symbolism of the Tengu that is cross-lined with the Uchiha. [

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Summary:​

It is apparent that there is an intricate link between Shizen enerugī (Natural energy), the Sharingan's design, and the Jūbi. Fundamentally, that the Sharingan's design serves as a 'divine attractor' of sorts, attracting in the Shizen enerugī (Natural energy) within its apparent surroundings, and transferring it to the wielder of the Dōjutsu or the Curse Seal. By extension, this could imply that the Jūbi's Sennin transformations were ultimately achieved through it's unmistakably large eye. Additionally, this could suggest that due to the attraction through the Dōjutsu and the absorption of Shizen enerugī (Natural energy) through the bodily function, the Curse Seal, that acquiring unheard of powers may be possible, especially for Sasuke. [

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I'm too herpderp to understand, but I know you're speaking with logic (it's not a pun -_-)

 

[OnPoint]

I like it, but the Sharingan doesn't necessarily have a direct link with the cursed seal; Orochimaru may've simply modelled his Juinjutsu on the Sharingan's design solely because of his admiration for it.

 

[KingHashirama]

I doubt there is any need for "Amplifying the EMS" itself. Maybe, he just learns Senjutsu.. wait no Kabuto has that covered. He probably will or might get the Totsuka blade and Yata mirror.

 

[Varrah]

Nicely put!

Alright.​

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Good theory, but im still sketchy on the whole sharigan having sort of a link between natural energy.
The fact that people that master sm like kabuto or naruto can collect natural energy without the use of a doujutsu...

Also were still not sure about the origins of the juubi"s eye, for all we know the tomeos in its eye can be a representation for something else.

You have a good point on the curse mark and 3t tomeo, but as shown the 3 tomeo evolves more taking on a new design.

Also when did sasuke use senjutusu through orochimarus curse seal? Can i have a scan?

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I'm too herpderp to understand, but I know you're speaking with logic (it's not a pun -_-)

Shit.

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I like it, but the Sharingan doesn't necessarily have a direct link with the cursed seal; Orochimaru may've simply modelled his Juinjutsu on the Sharingan's design solely because of his admiration for it.

That can be true, but I think its based of the Sharingan for a reason heavy than mere veneration . ​

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

I was waiting for one that would mention the Juubi. Amazing as always.

 

[Varrah]

I doubt there is any need for "Amplifying the EMS" itself. Maybe, he just learns Senjutsu.. wait no Kabuto has that covered. He probably will or might get the Totsuka blade and Yata mirror.

The thread primarily indicates Sasuke receiving an ample chakra improvement through exercising Orochimaru's Juinjutsu and gaining Jūgo's flesh; not necessarily Sage Mode for Sasuke himself. Although, I do think Orochimaru's work is based around other portions mention in the OP that can potentially act a basis for Sasuke attaining something higher than Sage Mode or Sage Transformations that supplements his ocular jutsu's. ​

 

[Anub]

Perhaps you are right. Although you started off a bit vague with the title, I understand that this thread is about Sasuke being prone to a massive power up (possibly senjutsu), is that correct?

In that case, I agree. I never imagined EMS would be the final stage, especially since Naruto had his share of successive power ups himself and it's obvious that they need to be equal in strength. Exactly what powers he will receive, I am curious as well. It may have something to do with the Juubi, or it can simply be an EMS upgrade (although I hope not) and I think that needs more exploring.

I think that Kabuto opened a new door to numerous possibilities around senjutsu and I'm hoping Kishi will explore this. I don't want snake sage to leave a filler power up taste in the fans after this arc is over.

As for the current thread, it's a nicely put, well researched, string of ideas. Good job!

 

[-Logic-]

Beautiful work. U_U

And I really appreciate the fact that you mentioned me; you deserve the credit as it was your idea my good sir.

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[Aominecchi]

awesome theory

 

[htmwall]

SM amplifies any jutsu,it was stated by the old toad,it makes taijutsu,ninjutsu and genjutsu more powerful,and gives a boost in the amount of chakra,and the CS as a watered down version of SM will do the same,but what this is had to do with sharingan?

 

[-S-]

This was an excellent read, almost though I was reading from a textbook.

Yes, the tomoes have a strong connection with both the curse seal, and I agree that the sharingan/ Juubi's eye is related to the gathering of the chakra.

It's clear the Juubi used must have used Nature transformation to form a create a shell around itself whilst transforming from the Mazou into it's current state. Giving it its rather large and bulky form. The reason why he could do it so quickly was due to the immense size of his eye; being able to collect in more Nature Energy.

So if the eye is the reason behind the gathering of Nature Energy, then surely higher forms of the Sharingan must be able to gather in large amounts of Nature Energy. Although I am more inclined to believe that this amplifies the occular jutsus, rather than anything affecting the body.

 

[-Logic-]

This was an excellent read, almost though I was reading from a textbook.

Yes, the tomoes have a strong connection with both the curse seal, and I agree that the sharingan/ Juubi's eye is related to the gathering of the chakra.

It's clear the Juubi used must have used Nature transformation to form a create a shell around itself whilst transforming from the Mazou into it's current state. Giving it its rather large and bulky form. The reason why he could do it so quickly was due to the immense size of his eye; being able to collect in more Nature Energy.

So if the eye is the reason behind the gathering of Nature Energy, then surely higher forms of the Sharingan must be able to gather in large amounts of Nature Energy. Although I am more inclined to believe that this amplifies the occular jutsus, rather than anything affecting the body.

Precisely...

I'm pretty sure you're right; it amplifies ocular jutsu rather than augmenting one's, Taijutsu, for example. As long as more Manga chapters are released and more information is acquired; we'll continue to expand on this theory.

By the way, I also predict that the Jubi may gain the extra three tomoe seals that it's currently lacking, when it absorbs in enough natural energy.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Excellent work. This could very easily be true. Couple of questions related to Juubi's perfect form. Specifically the correlation with Jugo and his outbursts due to incomplete transformation. Are you implying that obtaining full sage transformation would result in a rampage (as has been conveyed) or stability. Can you also explain why Sasuke was not prone to this in a partial transformation?

Side note, we know the main characters share traits but this points out the amount of thought Kishimoto has put into it. I had not made these connections until you put together the pieces. Nicely done.

 

[-Logic-]

Excellent work. This could very easily be true. Couple of questions related to Juubi's perfect form. Specifically the correlation with Jugo and his outbursts due to incomplete transformation. Are you implying that obtaining full sage transformation would result in a rampage (as has been conveyed) or stability.

Can you also explain why Sasuke was not prone to this in a partial transformation?

Side note, we know the main characters share traits but this points out the amount of thought Kishimoto has put into it. I had not made these connections until you put together the pieces. Nicely done.

I'm no Varrah but I'll try and answer on his behalf in regards to your question(s).

First Bold: Stability. The rampages stem over a lack of control over the Sennin Transformation(s) and lack of control over the Natural Energy.

Second Bold: Good question. It's a tricky one to answer. You could argue Sasuke has achieved a mastery over the Curse Seal to the extent that he doesn't rampage when he uses it. However, I think that the rampages occur when too much Natural Energy is transferred to said user of the Jugo's KKG, and only his clansmen. I am of the firm belief that Orochimaru designed the Curse Seal in such a way that it will prevent itself from acquiring too much of the Natural Energy. This is emphasized through the fact none of the practitioners of the Curse Seal ever rampaged, the only ones who did were Jugo's clansmen. Orochimaru must have altered Jugo's enzyme so that the rampages don't occur...

I know, what Varrah sees is...legendary. U_U I'd attest him to being a visionary.

 

[Varrah]

Excellent work. This could very easily be true. Couple of questions related to Juubi's perfect form. Specifically the correlation with Jugo and his outbursts due to incomplete transformation. Are you implying that obtaining full sage transformation would result in a rampage (as has been conveyed) or stability. Can you also explain why Sasuke was not prone to this in a partial transformation?

Side note, we know the main characters share traits but this points out the amount of thought Kishimoto has put into it. I had not made these connections until you put together the pieces. Nicely done.

-Logic’s- abstraction sums it up fairly well. Without fleshing discussing the technicalities involved, it rampages emerge from a lack of solidity or stability as –Logic- put it—which may have been a secondary motive of Rikudō when creating the Bijū, the other dividing this power among nine portions. In addition to this, Rikudōu may have possessed sets of Fūinjutsu that he taught to or left to the Shinobi Sect, Ninshū, who would later use it to create Jinchūriki. This teachings are now used by the Villages themselves. Thus; preventing the rampages of the Bijū and comprehending Kurama’s recognition of such a seal. [

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Sasuke’s mastery over the Ten no Juin may very well have prevent this situation from occurring. Furthermore, the collection of genetic material from Jūgo in his bout with Killer Bee could explain his personality disposition. Sasuke’s mastery over the Curse Seal prevented the Sennin Transformation from taking place, but the gathering of natural energy was still taking effect wherein, created a mental instability in Sasuke witness at the Kage Summit. He may have eased the rigidity since.​

 

[SageoftheoneWay]

It sounds like there could be some sort of link, but I don't think the design of the sharingan should be mistaken for a sort of seal. It seems like you're putting too much emphasis on this, and that you are under the impression that the sharingan takes in natural energy because of it. However, I don't see this in the manga, or at least Anime.

The sharingan is a lesser form of the Rinnegan (or you could say complete rinnegan). What is strange to me is that as the rinnegan was inherited down the family line it became less and less the original eye of the Juubi and more like it is today.

Now you say the Juubi gathers chakra through the eye, but there is no indication of this since the Juubi was revealed, nor are there implications that can lead one to logically go from Doujutsu to Senjutsu without disproving some of the premises necessary for this theory to work.

To me what matters here is the Juubi's body in relation to it's chakra. Doujutsu don't take in chakra, they use chakra, and lots of it. The body on the other hand does have capabilities to take in chakra. The body is important because depending on the body one has measures ones chakra levels (e.g. Uzumaki/Senju, 9 bijuu bodies, Juubi ultimate body, etc..).

And maybe that is why the Juubi is wood-like because as we could see from Hashi's Wood Dragon tech it was able to take in chakra.

 

[Varrah]

It sounds like there could be some sort of link, but I don't think the design of the sharingan should be mistaken for a sort of seal. It seems like you're putting too much emphasis on this, and that you are under the impression that the sharingan takes in natural energy because of it. However, I don't see this in the manga, or at least Anime.

The sharingan is a lesser form of the Rinnegan (or you could say complete rinnegan). What is strange to me is that as the rinnegan was inherited down the family line it became less and less the original eye of the Juubi and more like it is today.

Now you say the Juubi gathers chakra through the eye, but there is no indication of this since the Juubi was revealed, nor are there implications that can lead one to logically go from Doujutsu to Senjutsu without disproving some of the premises necessary for this theory to work.

To me what matters here is the Juubi's body in relation to it's chakra. Doujutsu don't take in chakra, they use chakra, and lots of it. The body on the other hand does have capabilities to take in chakra. The body is important because depending on the body one has measures ones chakra levels (e.g. Uzumaki/Senju, 9 bijuu bodies, Juubi ultimate body, etc..).

And maybe that is why the Juubi is wood-like because as we could see from Hashi's Wood Dragon tech it was able to take in chakra.

The Sharingan, as its own distinctive Dōjutsu suffered from attenuation, resulting in its current form. You can discern the link, and why there are propositions set forth, the body or the eyes (note that for this particular theory, the powers are deliberately not used in conjunction).​