[Discussion] American military & political leaders are the mega human rights rule violaters

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Nathan

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oh you don't get it political leader I mean economic killers because Prisidents are puppets read this web site

Okay maybe I didn't quite understand you; but all I am saying is this, people understand.

Presidents or any type of government are puppets; money, money, money.
 

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Re: American military & political leaders are the mega human rights rule violaters

Massacre millions of native Americans
Nuke 2 cities and kill 200,000 innocent civilians
Enslave blacks for hundreds of years


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They didn't "massacre" millions of native americans.

If you're talking about when the "white" man started to move in America,then no. Native Americans ways of taking land was violent conquest. They would take land from other tribes,kiling them,etc. Those man came to America willing to live along side with the native americans,same with the natives but they didn't like how the "white man " were using the land so they told them to leave or they will fight them.


Matter of fact everybody ways back then took land like that. Think to yourself if the land you stand on is really yours or was it someone else land but some empire or tribe kicked them out.

As for the Trail of Tears, they didn't "massacre" them. Though it was pathetic to move them when they had little food,and during bad weather.




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I've talked to many soliders and they all say the same that people in Japan and their leader back then didn't want to "surrender ". They didn't like the fact that they had to use the bombs to end the war though,but if they would have landed on Japan the death rate on both sides will be high.

And don't get me started on what imperial soldiers will do to their own people.


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Americans were not the only ones that used slaves.
Such as:


Ancient Greece
Rome
Middle Ages
Spain
Netherlands
Great Britain and Ireland
Arab slave trade
etc
 

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1.

They didn't "massacre" millions of native americans.

If you're talking about when the "white" man started to move in America,then no. Native Americans ways of taking land was violent conquest. They would take land from other tribes,kiling them,etc. Those man came to America willing to live along side with the native americans,same with the natives but they didn't like how the "white man " were using the land so they told them to leave or they will fight them.


Matter of fact everybody ways back then took land like that. Think to yourself if the land you stand on is really yours or was it someone else land but some empire or tribe kicked them out.

As for the Trail of Tears, they didn't "massacre" them. Though it was pathetic to move them when they had little food,and during bad weather.




2.

I've talked to many soliders and they all say the same that people in Japan and their leader back then didn't want to "surrender ". They didn't like the fact that they had to use the bombs to end the war though,but if they would have landed on Japan the death rate on both sides will be high.

And don't get me started on what imperial soldiers will do to their own people.


3.
Americans were not the only ones that used slaves.
Such as:


Ancient Greece
Rome
Middle Ages
Spain
Netherlands
Great Britain and Ireland
Arab slave trade
etc



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"The President in Washington sends word that he wishes to buy our land. But how can you buy or sell the sky? the land? The idea is strange to us. If we do not own the freshness of the air and the sparkle of the water, how can you buy them?

Every part of the earth is sacred to my people. Every shining pine needle, every sandy shore, every mist in the dark woods, every meadow, every humming insect. All are holy in the memory and experience of my people.

We know the sap which courses through the trees as we know the blood that courses through our veins. We are part of the earth and it is part of us. The perfumed flowers are our sisters. The bear, the deer, the great eagle, these are our brothers. The rocky crests, the dew in the meadow, the body heat of the pony, and man all belong to the same family.

The shining water that moves in the streams and rivers is not just water, but the blood of our ancestors. If we sell you our land, you must remember that it is sacred. Each glossy reflection in the clear waters of the lakes tells of events and memories in the life of my people. The water's murmur is the voice of my father's father.

The rivers are our brothers. They quench our thirst. They carry our canoes and feed our children. So you must give the rivers the kindness that you would give any brother.

If we sell you our land, remember that the air is precious to us, that the air shares its spirit with all the life that it supports. The wind that gave our grandfather his first breath also received his last sigh. The wind also gives our children the spirit of life. So if we sell our land, you must keep it apart and sacred, as a place where man can go to taste the wind that is sweetened by the meadow flowers.

Will you teach your children what we have taught our children? That the earth is our mother? What befalls the earth befalls all the sons of the earth.

This we know: the earth does not belong to man, man belongs to the earth. All things are connected like the blood that unites us all. Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself.

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When the last red man has vanished with this wilderness, and his memory is only the shadow of a cloud moving across the prairie, will these shores and forests still be here? Will there be any of the spirit of my people left?

We love this earth as a newborn loves its mother's heartbeat. So, if we sell you our land, love it as we have loved it. Care for it, as we have cared for it. Hold in your mind the memory of the land as it is when you receive it. Preserve the land for all children, and love it, as God loves us.

As we are part of the land, you too are part of the land. This earth is precious to us. It is also precious to you.

One thing we know - there is only one God. No man, be he Red man or White man, can be apart. We ARE all brothers after all."
 

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Re: American military & political leaders are the mega human rights rule violaters

Well, we all make mistakes, oops
 

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America's atrocities and mistakes pale to others in some regards.

Mao Zedong's Great Leap Forward starved to death an estimated 30-40 million, some estimates go as high 60 million. and yes, thats not including the Cultural Revolution. and then theres China's treatment and takeover of Tibet, they have basically been committing ethnocide for the past 50+ years.

how about Russia? Stalin engineered a famine that killed 6-7 million. Stalinist russia as a whole killed some 18 million+ of its own citizens, and god knows how many were falsely arrested and put into gulags. Stalin was also responsible for the heavy tolls they took during WW2, purging his officer corps before the German invasion and blindly trusting Hitler. America and Britain warned him an invasion was coming...he chose not to heed the false warnings of capitalist dogs.

and the natives? Americans actually didnt do the worst of it, smallpox brought over by Christopher Colombus and Spain's conquistadores did that before we even got here. smallpox had a 90-95% mortality rate among native populations.

the slave trade was also conceived well before america was.

i could go on and on, but eh. in conclusion, yes, america has done awful things...but so has everybody else.
 

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Re: American military & political leaders are the mega human rights rule violaters

I agree.

Although like many other Americans you get all butthurt about the imperialist terrost movements of your government.
silly patriotism
 
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