America is looking at removing the 2nd amednment.

[Heikegani]

The American law makers "specifically democrats" (According to the media) are looking at removing the 2nd amendment or making it so citizens cannot buy weapons. This is one of their primary excuses.

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Now there is no citizen armament – and really, nothing short of military aircraft or an atomic weapon – that could match the US military. And even today’s Supreme Court would find it hard to permit the construction of backyard missile silos. Regrettably or not, we must concede that the conditions allowing for an armed revolution of the people have long since vanished.

Took them long enought. What a barbaric right, to posess assalt rifles. This isn't a permanent solution to criminality, and probabobly banning weapons will provoque a rise of the black market but it's decrease the rate of psychopaths playing Terminator in movie theaters.
Yet the U.S is so concerned about losing their guns (specially republicans, they are so funny to hear). Says alot about a country.

 

[Mindaugas]

Im glad i live not in this country because its crazy these days, psychos everywhere...

 

[ZK]

You do need a sub machine gun if say the government decide to turn on the people and make them into even more of a slave or some other country decided to invade.


I don't see nothing wrong with it either,other then the fact sick people can use it on innocent people . But even if you take away all guns those sick people will either make a home made gun,bomb or just use everyday items such as knives,etc.

People should be able to have semi-automatic and automatic weapons,only they should get a better back ground check on both their pass records and their mental health..

Your argument is moot.
If the government turns in its people; you're dead. The government in the UNited States is a democratically elected body that represents you and yours. Not only does ytour argument accept the absurd notion that a government would simply 'turn on its people', you're also assuming that 'turning on the people' should warrant armed and organized resistance.
Let me ask you something: what does 'turning on the people' mean? Martial Law? Increased police-patrolling? Outlawing McDonalds? With a gun, a civilian can, at any point in time, choose to kill someone. With a gun, a civilian has the power to 'turn on the government', if he/she wants. With a gun, a civilian has the power to defend himself from police-officers and government officials that he/she thinks have violated some civil rights.
The gun-culture is simply too accepted, I'm afraid. Shootings happen constantly in the United States, and you rarely hear about guns being used outside the firing-range in a legal manner, which is simply yet another argument again guns.
If you need guns for anything, it's for self-defense. And you don't need a sub-machinegun or an assault-rifle for defensive purposes. One should not be allowed to walk around freely with such dangerous weapons. Nor should one be allowed to own these weapons. There is simply no reason to.

You claim that the weapons have the potential purpose of letting civilians defend themselves from their government. You're following the same logic your notion did in the 60s and 70s when they had an arms-race with Russia. It's not viable long-term solution.
If your military turns on you, then you're screwed. If your government turns on you, so what? The government has no military power; the military does, and your military consists of normal American citizens. If the military turns on you; it's civil war.
Hell, the notion that having lethal weapons in your home would somehow lessen the bloodshed is ridiculous. With more armed civilians fighting against a 'magically corrupt military', more people would die.
Wat r u doin? U kill hundreds of thousands for no reason. You supply organized crime. You arm madmen.
Your 'background check', has never proven effective. Your methods lack consistency and effectivity.

 

[DietyOfWind]

wow they just caught a copy cat that was gonna do the same thing in LA his father had guns at the house

 

[Rot]

Seems more like they just want to strip any possible means of self defense from the civilians so they can impose more and more ridiculous laws upon us and we won't be able to do a damn thing about it.

Its quite pathetic that they use tragedy as an excuse to push an agenda forward. Disgusting.

Do they honestly think gun bans will stop these mass murders from happening ? They can't even stop drugs or illegal immigrants from getting in, none the less weapons..hell we already have weapons that are defined as "illegal" or "military grade" floating on the streets, this is just a ploy to take away legitimate owners rights and any possibility of overthrowing the government when it gets out of hand, and its inevitably heading in a direction where the politicians are taking orders from Corporate CEO's and billionaires rather then serving the people in a justified manner

This country was founded as a REPUBLIC and we already lost that and now call it a Democracy.

If you want to save lives why don't you support banning tobacco products or alcohol ? Both kill far more then 10,000 people a year..banning those two substances will save hundreds of thousands of lives a year..if not millions.

You can argue "but they do it to themselves" but it doesn't justify the thousands of people who die from cancer because of second hand smoke or drunk driving accidents, who never touched either substances but still paid with their life because someone else used. But see thats the difference, those products make the government money off taxes..lots and lots of money..so screw how many innocent people die as long as the government gets a big fat check every fiscal year from the tobacco and alcohol companies.

Guns have a purpose for protection, alcohol and tobacco serve no purpose at all.

 

[~WastelandSociety~]

Seems more like they just want to strip any possible means of self defense from the civilians so they can impose more and more ridiculous laws upon us and we won't be able to do a damn thing about it.

Its quite pathetic that they use tragedy as an excuse to push an agenda forward. Disgusting.

Do they honestly think gun bans will stop these mass murders from happening ? They can't even stop drugs or illegal immigrants from getting in, none the less weapons..hell we already have weapons that are defined as "illegal" or "military grade" floating on the streets, this is just a ploy to take away legitimate owners rights and any possibility of overthrowing the government when it gets out of hand, and its inevitably heading in a direction where the politicians are taking orders from Corporate CEO's and billionaires rather then serving the people in a justified manner

This country was founded as a REPUBLIC and we already lost that and now call it a Democracy.

If you want to save lives why don't you support banning tobacco products or alcohol ? Both kill far more then 10,000 people a year..banning those two substances will save hundreds of thousands of lives a year..if not millions.

You can argue "but they do it to themselves" but it doesn't justify the thousands of people who die from cancer because of second hand smoke or drunk driving accidents, who never touched either substances but still paid with their life because someone else used. But see thats the difference, those products make the government money off taxes..lots and lots of money..so screw how many innocent people die as long as the government gets a big fat check every fiscal year from the tobacco and alcohol companies.

Guns have a purpose for protection, alcohol and tobacco serve no purpose at all.

Well,
said but no matter what these people like ,DietyOfWind, will look for ways to say it's still bad and law enforcement should be the only ones to own a weapon (even though they are people like us).

 

[Harley Quinn]

Anything can be used as a weapon, forks, pens, chairs, lamp, anything. So what are they gonna do? Take away our household goods? Because without any "weapons" you bet a serial killer or murderer would use or make some altered weapon using them. Also, because of the "world is going to end" thing, people are frantic. especially the ones who believe of a zombie apocolypse. They won't go down without a fight.

Doing this for the "sake" of America, they should realize these problems. Even worse, if they change one amendment, then they are allowed to change others at the same time. Think of all the new laws that would be passed. For the sake of guns? It isn't worth it!

 

[Azearl]

Really:flaw:

 

[~WastelandSociety~]

Your argument is moot.
If the government turns in its people; you're dead. The government in the UNited States is a democratically elected body that represents you and yours. Not only does ytour argument accept the absurd notion that a government would simply 'turn on its people', you're also assuming that 'turning on the people' should warrant armed and organized resistance.
Let me ask you something: what does 'turning on the people' mean? Martial Law? Increased police-patrolling? Outlawing McDonalds? With a gun, a civilian can, at any point in time, choose to kill someone. With a gun, a civilian has the power to 'turn on the government', if he/she wants. With a gun, a civilian has the power to defend himself from police-officers and government officials that he/she thinks have violated some civil rights.
The gun-culture is simply too accepted, I'm afraid. Shootings happen constantly in the United States, and you rarely hear about guns being used outside the firing-range in a legal manner, which is simply yet another argument again guns.
If you need guns for anything, it's for self-defense. And you don't need a sub-machinegun or an assault-rifle for defensive purposes. One should not be allowed to walk around freely with such dangerous weapons. Nor should one be allowed to own these weapons. There is simply no reason to.

You claim that the weapons have the potential purpose of letting civilians defend themselves from their government. You're following the same logic your notion did in the 60s and 70s when they had an arms-race with Russia. It's not viable long-term solution.
If your military turns on you, then you're screwed. If your government turns on you, so what? The government has no military power; the military does, and your military consists of normal American citizens. If the military turns on you; it's civil war.
Hell, the notion that having lethal weapons in your home would somehow lessen the bloodshed is ridiculous. With more armed civilians fighting against a 'magically corrupt military', more people would die.
Wat r u doin? U kill hundreds of thousands for no reason. You supply organized crime. You arm madmen.
Your 'background check', has never proven effective. Your methods lack consistency and effectivity.

No,'turning on the people' meaning abusing their power on us. The one in the government that have power over the military is President , chief executive officer of the Executive Branch ( Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces).




Now,you can use sub-machinegun or an assault-rifle for defensive purposes. Like I said,what if a military from another country were to invade and attack, civilians will be unarmed to take on ground soldiers,until their military issue them some assault-rifles,etc.
Now,I'm not saying people should be allowed to walk around with one loaded. No, only a side arm,with a permit of course. People that wish to have a sub-machinegun or an assault-rifle (like some people I met ) should only have it in their house.

Theres nothing ridiculous about using a weapon to defend yourself or owning a assault-rifle.

As for you last statement,you said "You supply organized crime...You arm madmen".
Were you thinking about how one weapon was stolen from an FBI agent's car in Alabama and later used in a shooting in Detroit or that the problem of missing weapons extends beyond the FBI ,such as Immigration and Naturalization Service found that 539 weapons were unaccounted for.


Um,alright we are organizing "crime",yet you people turn a blind eye on law enforcement's missing weapons,etc or how the government arm enemy with weapons which are later found in black markets.


But I guess no matter what I can't get you to see my point.

You people can continue to think banning guns will 'magically' solve problems and that nut heads can't use other ways to kill such as using a home made guns or bombs, knives,etc.
Hell,you can even use your car to hurt others,yet when people get killed by it you don't hear "Ban it......"

 

[YowYan]

Which is why plenty of Christians practice Contraception completely unperturbed? Alright, whatever helps you sleep at night. If it's an institution which provides health care, it better damn well provide contraceptives or it should be shut down. At that point, it's inadequate for providing health services and should give way to a secular plan. Plus, the Constitution in the modern era is, and should be becoming, more along the areas of guidelines. Like people are pointing out, we're aiming for smart government. Not strict government. And if you really can't step away enough from a well over two hundred year document to see that, I feel bad for you. You have zero faith in the system and less knowledge of how it works.

A big wave of irony just blew me away. You're clueless to the fact they're pursuing 'big' and 'strict' government through the means of giving the people a need of more security. 'smart' government? lol... You're the one that has a lot to learn concerning government affairs (at this area, I agree on some views of yours). Like Unbiased stated, if the NDAA won't last, why is the patriot act still here? And where did the patriot act come from? It was signed after 9/11, if I'm correct. Which was another tragedy that the government uses to scare the masses so they'll willingly lay down their civil rights for a fake sense of security.

Other than that, I do agree with you on your views of abortion and some other comments of yours.

 

[6thpathsage]

No,'turning on the people' meaning abusing their power on us. The one in the government that have power over the military is President , chief executive officer of the Executive Branch ( Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces).




Now,you can use sub-machinegun or an assault-rifle for defensive purposes. Like I said,what if a military from another country were to invade and attack, civilians will be unarmed to take on ground soldiers,until their military issue them some assault-rifles,etc.
Now,I'm not saying people should be allowed to walk around with one loaded. No, only a side arm,with a permit of course. People that wish to have a sub-machinegun or an assault-rifle (like some people I met ) should only have it in their house.

Theres nothing ridiculous about using a weapon to defend yourself or owning a assault-rifle.

As for you last statement,you said "You supply organized crime...You arm madmen".
Were you thinking about how one weapon was stolen from an FBI agent's car in Alabama and later used in a shooting in Detroit or that the problem of missing weapons extends beyond the FBI ,such as Immigration and Naturalization Service found that 539 weapons were unaccounted for.


Um,alright we are organizing "crime",yet you people turn a blind eye on law enforcement's missing weapons,etc or how the government arm enemy with weapons which are later found in black markets.


But I guess no matter what I can't get you to see my point.

You people can continue to think banning guns will 'magically' solve problems and that nut heads can't use other ways to kill such as using a home made guns or bombs, knives,etc.
Hell,you can even use your car to hurt others,yet when people get killed by it you don't hear "Ban it......"

You have an assault rifle and a burglar comes in and steals your gun, then uses it to kill 25 children in a primary school somewhere, or worse... Kill more than 100 people somewhere else. What would you feel about your so called right then?

It's so true what pain said in the manga. Your peace is our violence.

There is no answer to the question about how people will find alternative ways to kill people but what we and everyone that is arguing against you is trying to do is minimising the casualties till we find an answer to the real problem of why people kill people. Taking alway sub machine guns (not all guns) seems like the ideal first step to reducing a great deal of potential casualties.

My opinion

 

[Exaar]

Using stricter gun controll rules would help and save many lives, it won't stop it completely, but it would stop your average Youngster/adults from Gaining Guns and shooting up schools/colleges and so on.
Of course if someone is hell bent of killing people he could find away to get a gun.

If people want to protect themselves, Learn martial arts, You don't need a gun to protect yourself or your home/yourself.

 

[Kmultani]

It's a paradox bro. Just like pacifism it only works ( perfectly might I add) if everyone else is following it. No one can deny a world without weapons is a better world. But a world in which MOST people cannot defend themselves is in no way a better option. I'm from India and in India its illegal for any civilian to have a gun but believe me when I say that there are lotsa guns being sold and purchased. Further more why do we consistently blame our laws for the psychotic behavior of a few people. Even people in jail don't treat these types of humans well. Is in your DNA whether anything or anyone can drive you to kill innocent people. There is absolutely nothing that would ever make me kill an innocent person let alone dozens of innocent people. People need to be armed more today but not with assault weapons. Taser guns stun guns these should be available for any and all citizens to be bought and carried and we can stop massacres like newton much earlier than 20 deaths. Furthermore the true blame for all this lies on the governments inability to educate its citizens. This isn't global problem. Nowhere in this planet do we truly teach our young people what they ALL will need in life. Instead we spam them with science math social studies etc etc that they might never truly use in life. The core development of our kids should start with installing American values firmly within them. Which are, freedom, human rights, egalitarianism, compassion and the utmost love and value for human life. We should teach the coming generations to value others lives more then their own. Only then can we truly create a world where all humans live in mutual understanding and nobody is left alone when they need someone's help. This is our job as human beings not the governments job, but the govt must recognize this first

 

[Kmultani]

Lol if the government wanted to take over I'm sure we wouldn't have enough guns to fight the army anyway. What is a AK going to do to a tank or a bombard of airplanes or jets? Get real.

Well in that doomsday scenario the most dignified way to live would be to fight to the death. You'll know all along that the army can't be beat but that doesn't mean clinging to life in those circumstances would be all that great. If AMERICA starts killing its own citizens or worse its minorities then believe me when I say that hope for all of mankind is gone. I'm a immigrant yet I hold American values of love compassion and equality very dear and I'd rather die than live without me. Having a gun would be a moot point if such a day comes when this democracy turns into a dictatorship. Btw I want to thank the guy who pointed out that the army takes an oath of protect America its people and constitution. They know for a fact that the politicians don't mean shit to them. Even today congress only has the right to declare war and the congress is us! Fearing the govt is fearing ourselves cuz we are the government dattebayo!

 

[Kira was Righteous]

They will never be able to ban guns...more tests for people buying guns are very likely now though

 

[GEIxBattleRifle]

Hey guys I just brought a tank today to protect myself

 

[Cursed Prince]

Hell no. Theyre not taking away my guns!!

 

[The Western Wheel]

People kill people. That's the problem. Guns just make it easier. Machine guns make it ridiculously easy.

The problem is people lacking understanding, and minds filled with anger. Delusional madmen that abandon all hope and prospect. No law can protect against it. Only love and education do.. The greatest illusion is separation. The idea of them and us. Culprit and victim.

 

[Unbiased King]

Stop lying yes it was ->Article [II]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Well, the 2nd Amendment was thrown into the constitution in 1791.

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However, the constitution was created in 1787 and went into effect in 1789.

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Hmm...painfully puzzling, or painfully obvious?

 

[Kingsigel]

I just love how you put Democrats on there. I dont think they will remove the 2nd Amendment. I believe everyone should have a gun then the little punks that are shooting people would think twice about shooting people. I understand the so called gang violence and I get the mental issues. It all boils down to one word racism. Anywho if everyone was allowed to carrier guns I will even go as far to saying smoking weed too, it will curve the acts of violence in America period. Then your mental issues and your so called gang violence would stop and think that they would probably die before they let off any shots.