America is looking at removing the 2nd amednment.

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I heard about this a few months back and now they're actually doing it. The government already neglected the 2nd amendment on several occasions the last few years..but with the 2nd amendment removed, say goodbye to your civil rights and hello to visible tyranny.
 

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Where there's a will there's a way. Drugs are illegal yet people get them ect

......That's what I'm saying. :|

Crazy people will still get guns through the black market, but where will law-abiding people get them? Nowhere. They'd be completely unprotected and exposed.
 

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A gun is no more responsible for someone's murder than a car is responsible for a drunk driver killing someone.
 

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Following that logic; all drugs and weapons should be legalized, as making them illegal doesn't 'stop anyone from getting them'.

Exactly. Dr Ron Paul says it the best. If Heroin became legal today would you go out and do it? No most people would not. Just because something is available doesn't mean someone will buy it.
 

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Exactly. Dr Ron Paul says it the best. If Heroin became legal today would you go out and do it? No most people would not. Just because something is available doesn't mean someone will buy it.

well said. Seems some people here have the typical implemented mind-set that government should protect us against everything and so should be allowed to undermine our civil rights if it means we can have a fake sense of security.
 

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Alcohol-consumption is a choice. Being shot is not a choice.
Alcohol, in moderation, has many purposes and isn't always 'harmful', in the sense that people are physically and/or mentally injured/negatively affected due to consumption. A gun, on the other hand, has the single purpose of hurting and killing other beings.
Side-arms and hunting-rifles are acceptable, considering the United States' long history of private arms-ownership, self-defense and hunting, but there is no argument for owning and/or selling sub-machineguns to civilians. One does not need a sub-machinegun to defend one's home. If it comes down to that; you're not looking at a robbery.
It's been proven time and time again that incidents involving weapons with a high rate-of-fire cost more lifes than incidents involving pistols and/or knives. Terrible incidents like Columbine and Sandy Hook simply proves my point that semi-automatic and automatic weapons should not be owned by civilians.



You do need a sub machine gun if say the government decide to turn on the people and make them into even more of a slave or some other country decided to invade.


I don't see nothing wrong with it either,other then the fact sick people can use it on innocent people . But even if you take away all guns those sick people will either make a home made gun,bomb or just use everyday items such as knives,etc.

People should be able to have semi-automatic and automatic weapons,only they should get a better back ground check on both their pass records and their mental health..
 

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The Second Amendment is The Single Most Important Amendment. Unfortunately, from the very beginning it was misinterpreted. Here's an idea: outlaw private ownership of firearms, and give each county it's own "community tank" and "community missile battery". How's that for a match against a military dictatorship?
 

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The Second Amendment is The Single Most Important Amendment. Unfortunately, from the very beginning it was misinterpreted. Here's an idea: outlaw private ownership of firearms, and give each county it's own "community tank" and "community missile battery". How's that for a match against a military dictatorship?

A complete mismatch against the thousands of tanks, aircraft, and naval vessels a military dictatorship could employ. Unfortunately, that's still the case if we have guns. Moral is, we're going to have to hope for massive military defections if a hypothetical dictatorship became prevalent.
 

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I mentioned somewhere in another thread that even if you ban guns the criminals will find the second dangerous weapon and if you ban that they find the third dangerous weapon and you ban and so on and so forth. When it gets to a point where they are left with they're hands they can still kill people with their hands such as strangulation or snapping someones neck or some other form of execution that doesn't involve a weapon it won't stop unless you protect yourself or get some form of protection(police or military). Just saying you won't be able to ban hands when the hands are the most deadliest of all weapons...pointless...the government can't control everything nor is it they're place to do so.

P.S. I would prefer defending myself and as soon as law enforcement arrives I'll let them handle it.
 
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I'm not in favor of removing the second amendment, but I believe there are things that need to be looked at and restricted. Nothing in the constitution should be viewed as untouchable. In my opinion, that's the beauty of the document. The authors understood that what was true for them and their time period would not be true for future Americans and thus created the ability for the Constitution to adapt. I was talking to a retired police officer the other day who was about as conservative as possible. The conversation started off with him ranting about how Liberals were destroying the country. But when the conversation turned to Sandy Hook and gun control he had a different tone, and he made some great points about the purpose of the 2nd Amendment.

When that was put into the constitution we were coming out of control by a King and a bloody revolution, and we didn't exactly have an armed forces to defend ourselves. By allowing civilians to carry weapons it created that army, something that was important during the war of 1812. So while its true the 2nd Amendment was partially made as a guarantee to avoid a transition into tyranny, it was more so meant as a deterrent from foreign attack.

Besides that, the weapons available to people were completely different. A person owning a musket or a pistol where it took 30 seconds to reload is a whole different ballgame than hand guns or rifles that can rattle off 100 shots a minute. We have a military, we don't need the civilians to act as our second armed forces. And for those saying "but then we'll become slaves to the government" I hate to break it to you, but if the military turned on the population today, we wouldn't stand a chance. The idea that the civilians who have weapons today could stand up to the most powerful military in the world is a fantasy. This isn't 1776 where even though the training and numbers were uneven, the weapons were. This is 2012 where your semi-auto rifle is going up against drones and snipers and tanks and fully auto weapons. In my opinion, had the founding fathers written the constitution today, the 2nd Amendment would look quite different.

Now, what is the solution? I don't think we need to ban weapons. But we need to make the process of getting them more restricted. And we need to restrict the clip size of weapons people get, the fire type, and the types of guns. Hunting rifles simply put should be bolt action single shot. If you're hunting and you miss that first shot, chances are it doesn't matter how many bullets you can get off, you're not getting that animal. Hand guns are used for self defense, so limit the bullets to 6-8 per clip. If you can't defend yourself with that many bullets, you probably shouldn't own that gun in the first place because you don't know how to use it. And the final, and probably the most important change, needs to be in our treatment of mentally challenged people. Its just not where it needs to be right now.

Obviously those things won't stop things like this 100%. But it would make it more difficult. Even if you take away every gun, there are plenty of weapons out there. Just the other day a man in China stabbed 20 something kids with a knife. So in the end sometimes you just need to accept that there are sick people out there with sick minds who want to shock the world with heinous acts.
 

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Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Until I see a gun come to life, sprout legs, and shoot somewon, then you can say guns kill. people
 

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guns are stupid.. they should be banned, at least automatic assault weapons should.. the 2nd amendment was made in a primitive america .. the founders couldnt foresee how sophisticated and deadly weapons would get.. i dont care if you want to hunt, all you need for that is a hunting rifle, so they should have no problem with this.. id rather they were illegal, but go ahead and own a hand gun, but automatic weapons and assault weapons should be illegal period.. if your mad cause thats your hobby, thats too bad, get another hobby.. cant wait to hear the argument, "well if the teachers had guns, they could have saved the children. so actual wat we need are more guns." sounds jus like something someone on the right would say..
 

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Real smart...that's real smart. :rolleyes: If you take away guns from civilians, the bad guys still have them. Now all they've done is created a black market for it and law abiding people won't have protection. The ignorance of democrats never ceases to amaze me.
 
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guns r bad cuz dey kill ppl. a gun killed my dad an he wuz at the skool an i miss him lots.
plz maek gunz ileglal so no dads can die no moe plz
 

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I agree...AND NO ONE IS GOING TO MESS WITH THE CONSTITUTION OUR FOUNDING FATHERS CREATED AND LEFT BEHIND I WON'T HAVE THAT!!!

Guess what the 2nd Amendment is?

An amendment, meaning it was not in the original constitution.
 

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Most of you are just outright wrong. The second amendment was written so that someone could defend themselves when being attacked because unlike now, it could happen at any time. Back when this amendment was written, the English were attacking, as well as Indians who wanted their land back. Currently there is no reason for guns at all. Frankly no country in the world would attack the USA as a group. Now easy access to guns is just a way for gangs, and mass murders. I understand that hunters use guns which is why I believe the best solution to this problem is to only have this easy access to smaller more controlled guns, which are much less effective for killing people. If someone did try they wouldn't be able to kill 27. Right now we could use many more regulations for controlling who has access to guns.
 

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Ok let's be real if we got rid of our gun policy it will make things worst, because then the worst type of people will buy them and more incidents will occur.

Plus taking away guns from everyone isn't even fair, the incident in Connecticut was tragic yes and I can't even imagine how the families filled, but not everyone is like that, people like me own guns to protect my family from people like him.
 

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It's like what me and mom talk about, guns dont kill people, people kill people; It's not the weapon, it's the hand holding it. Take weapons from the civilains, our means of self defense, and where does it go? The blackmarket.
Not only that, you take away guns, and I gaurantee those people will find other ways to kill. We must have listed off twenty/thirty some items you can find in Wal-mart alone that could be used to kill someone.
 

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Fear is a essential part of society, the fear of justice especially when dealt out by individuals themselves it can suppress anti-social elements....... i think that was the basis of the Second Amendment.

But what is the current picture of the society? U can very well see that lunatics firing left and right for no particular reason...... Now as some here suggests that the fire arms themselves are the answer to such criminal problems then let me ask: Why the didnt the teachers that was killed pull out their guns to shoot the lunatic? Or where was our brave gun wielding self defense squad?
Its easy to buy a gun but where is the nerves and skill to use them for justice? Where is the selfless disregard for one's own life while trying to protect the innocent?
Some wisely say that criminals wld get gun from black market anyway........ but havent u guys considered that even if armed clever criminals too will adapt and outsmart u anyway? Previously they threatened to shoot and now they might shoot first talk later?

U guys are actually skidding over the real problem here...... only opinion i have is that consider the various gun laws in various countries and adapt them as per need to suit the situation.
 
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