Am I missing something or is this a plot hole ?

[Deidera]

Why does Uchiha Madara need to be revived to be the Jinchuuriki ?Why can't he be one as he is now in Edo tensei?

I mean When Tobi revived the other 6 Hosts of the tailed beasts and he probably sealed it into them? because they could use they TB powers.And Madara can't?

Or could it be the part of the rules of Edo tensei?you are revived just as before you died.
And when the Edo tensei was lifted they just disappeared and then Obito summoned the Gedo Mazo

So Confused.Anybody care the shed any light on this?

 

[Cypher]

it was stated only a live body can be a jin somewhere

tho no worries im sure you will find anothe rone as naruto is full of them

 

[NarutoB]

It has to with sealing I think...the Jinchuriki Edo's were already like that before death, but you have to be alive to have a Biju sealed in you.

 

[OWanime]

nope you are revived with everything you possessed before you died xd you can't add anything after edo tensei though

 

[Prime Rib]

Why does Uchiha Madara need to be revived to be the Jinchuuriki ?Why can't he be one as he is now in Edo tensei?

I mean When Tobi revived the other 6 Hosts of the tailed beasts and he probably sealed it into them? because they could use they TB powers.And Madara can't?

Or could it be the part of the rules of Edo tensei?you are revived just as before you died.
And when the Edo tensei was lifted they just disappeared and then Obito summoned the Gedo Mazo

So Confused.Anybody care the shed any light on this?

The Jin obito brought back with the host were his 6 paths of pain btw, and you need to be alive to be the 10 tails jinchuriki not a edo

 

[Deidera]

So does that mean that when Obito revived them there were 2 of each of those six bijuus ?One in each of them and the other in the gedo mazo?

 

[DJKS]

You need that "connection" with the Bijuus in order to be a Jinchuriki I think. Since the previous hosts were already Jinchurikis before death, there was no problem.

 

[Deidera]

Never seen that before any evidence?

And also if they need to be actually alive and not Edo's to be jinks. how come they all used their TBM ?

 

[sLm]

You realise that those 6 jinchurikis were NOT jinchurikis when they died, do you? xD They got their bijous removed (thus, they were no more jinchurikies), then died because of that. So it is still unknown why they managed to be revived with Edo Tensei and become jinchurikis again, while Madara cannot do it.

 

[Deidera]

Yes I did take all that into account.
Still the question remains.How were they revived with Edo tensei and became Jinks. again? while Madara can't do that.
Unless there's an exception with the Juubi? which I highly doubt.

 

[Kirin Rei]

Yes I did take all that into account.
Still the question remains.How were they revived with Edo tensei and became Jinks. again? while Madara can't do that.
Unless there's an exception with the Juubi? which I highly doubt.

They weren't Jinchuuriki's in the conventional sense. Tobi attached the bijuu to them using his chakra rods. The bijuu were still sealed inside Gedo Mazo. He just binded them to their former hosts.

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[Deidera]

Seems reasonable and well thought out . Thanks !
Good to hear that it's not a plot hole,Because I don't want to believe there are any even if I do find one.....

BTW,Does that mean the same could have been done with Madara?

 

[Deidera]

I mean if it was done with them and they could use their respective TB powers then why wasn't that done with Madara ?
A new question.

 

[Kirin Rei]

Seems reasonable and well thought out . Thanks !
Good to hear that it's not a plot hole,Because I don't want to believe there are any even if I do find one.....

BTW,Does that mean the same could have been done with Madara?

Well, nope.

You see, Obito already had near to full control over the bijuu when binding them to their former hosts. Gedo Mazo was a vessel, controlled by Obito and the bijuu were bound to Gedo Mazo.
All Obito did was to let them out on a leash and tie them to their former jinchuuriki.

Think of it like chains. The bijuu were tied to Gedo Mazo with massive unbreakable chains. Their chains were let a little bit loose and an additional chain was added binding them to their edo hosts. Naruto broke the chain connecting Son Goku to Roshi (his former host) but the main one tying Son Goku to the Gedo Mazo remained and Obito pulled him back inside.

Although Gedo Mazo was controllable back then, when the Juubi was revived it sort of got a mind of it's own. This made it extremely hard to control.

Meaning, yup, theoretically edo Madara is able to bind the Juubi to himself using the chakra rods and control it via Rinnegan but he wouldn't last a milisecond while doing so.

Again, think of it like trying to control an angry tiger with a chain around it's neck and compare it with actually sealing said tiger inside yourself and utilizing it's power at will.

 

[Deidera]

Wow ! Thanks for answering these once confusing questions .
Cheers ! and + you know what .

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

For starters, the Jinjuriki were brought back as Paths of Pain so to a degree they are more alive than an Edo tensei body (though they simultaneously are edos. At the same time, they were Jinjuriki before death so this likely helps.

Finally, through the 6 paths techniques, Rinnegan, and Gedo statue, the Biju were both sealed in the 6 paths but also were linked to the Gedo so that Obito could pull them back st any time.

For instance, Son Goku was onside Roshi, but upon being in danger, Obito re-sealed him. Also, Kokuou (5-Tails) was stopped and reverted to A V.2 when it tried to attack Obito.


So to conclude, they weren't simple Edos. They were both Paths of Pain as well ad linked to the Gedo Statue

This is different from Madara who is simply a summon.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Why does Uchiha Madara need to be revived to be the Jinchuuriki ?Why can't he be one as he is now in Edo tensei?

I mean When Tobi revived the other 6 Hosts of the tailed beasts and he probably sealed it into them? because they could use they TB powers.And Madara can't?

Or could it be the part of the rules of Edo tensei?you are revived just as before you died.
And when the Edo tensei was lifted they just disappeared and then Obito summoned the Gedo Mazo

So Confused.Anybody care the shed any light on this?

I have a theory.

When the Sage became the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, and then used the Yin Yang Release - Creation of All Things, he created two halves... Yin and Yang. The Yang was the Juubi's body and lifeforce, sealed in the moon. The yin is the Spiritual Energy, it became what we know as the Nine Bijuus.

With the flow of time, men discovered that there were methods to seal these bijuus, it was to find a way to balance the Yin power of the Bijuus with bodies with a strong lifeforce... these special bodies were known as Jinchuurikis. The more powerful the bijuu was, the strongest body/lifeforce was needed to contain this beast (Yes, that's why Ninetails had to be sealed inside an Uzumaki, and that's why Gaara was the first of three children to meet the requirements to become Jinchuuriki of the Onetail).

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Short story, Madara need lifeforce to be able to contain the Yin part of the Bijuus, something that he can't right now. He is only able to contain the Yang part (Gedo Mazou).

 

[Deidera]

So basically Obito still had control over all of them but simply just divided them among his paths still maintaining control.And that was the only way he could utilize the individual power of those 6 bijuus.And he could only use them at once if he wasn't using his 6 paths via Gedo mazo .But in Madara's case since he's an Edo so he couldn't do it as he was just a simple summoning as you stated.Right I understand !
BTW, IF Madara had time to make 6 paths with his Rg and had control of the Gedo Mazo just like Obito then he could do the same thing .Wrong !. Am I right based on what you said?

 

[Mr Hiru]

I didn't talk about the 6 Paths or the Rinnegan. I'm talking about Madara unable to fully control the Full Juubi (Yin + Yang Juubi)

 

[Deidera]

Yes I understand was in the middle of quoting you when browser crashed.

I have to say that I do agree with you.I mean his RG and Hashi cells that gives him a body which is more or less immortal considering he successfully seals the Juubi into himself and even without it he is formidable.
However,I have doubts as to whether he can actually seal it into himself without going into any sort of trouble.This should be interesting....