Almost all of the revived Hokage are possibly stronger than Madara or Obito

[Baka Sennin]

agreed, after years of the uchiha being glorified the hokage and senju will now show why they are superior.

also, just because Madara has Nagato's and Hashirama's tools does not mean that he has the same proficiency. madara's mastery of mokuton and the rinnegan is quite poor, he may be able to use mokuton clones and the forest and flower worlds, but mokuton entails much more than that. and from the rinnegan he only used the preta path and whatever it took to summon those meteors (i'm guessing either kuchiyose or banshou tenin), while the rinnegan is so much more.

 

[Bogard]

agreed, after years of the uchiha being glorified the hokage and senju will now show why they are superior.

also, just because Madara has Nagato's and Hashirama's tools does not mean that he has the same proficiency. madara's mastery of mokuton and the rinnegan is quite poor, he may be able to use mokuton clones and the forest and flower worlds, but mokuton entails much more than that. and from the rinnegan he only used the preta path and whatever it took to summon those meteors (i'm guessing either kuchiyose or banshou tenin), while the rinnegan is so much more.

Thanks I agree with you concerning the Madara's part. I'm pretty sure he doesn't control Mokuton like Hashirama can, or Hashirama has more hiding powers than we think. The same goes for his Rinnengan which he has never used besides Preta Path. Time for the Hokages to show their suprematie now :scorps:

 

[Brooks]

Show me the manga pages that say that then ill believe you... Just typing them out doesn't make them fact.

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^Created the plan Tsuku-no-me.

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^Gave Nagato the Rinnegan

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^Created Zetsu

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^Trained Obito

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^Awakened the Rinnegan

Would you like for me to explain how Madara created Tobi or is that obvious?

 

[Itachi Rane]

What makes the difference is the very fact that madara is a sage now...he has the rinnegan and all the techniques of pain, even if he was weaker than hashirama in his prime, he didn't have the senju cells then....he has wood style now, plus uchiha powers plus rinnegan.......and hashi's most powerful wood tech is probably the wood dragon jutsu which madara can use as well.....hiruzen may have owned the two senju brothers but obviously they didn't use their ultimate techs against him......instill believe that madara shoukdn't be underestimated....and yes....we are even underestimating obito uchiha, the guy seems in a bad shaoe now but now that his links with the juubi is broken he can use his dangerous techniques......he still is going ti be a tough opponent....and he has the rinnegan.......

 

[Bogard]

What makes the difference is the very fact that madara is a sage now...he has the rinnegan and all the techniques of pain, even if he was weaker than hashirama in his prime, he didn't have the senju cells then....he has wood style now, plus uchiha powers plus rinnegan.......and hashi's most powerful wood tech is probably the wood dragon jutsu which madara can use as well.....hiruzen may have owned the two senju brothers but obviously they didn't use their ultimate techs against him......instill believe that madara shoukdn't be underestimated....and yes....we are even underestimating obito uchiha, the guy seems in a bad shaoe now but now that his links with the juubi is broken he can use his dangerous techniques......he still is going ti be a tough opponent....and he has the rinnegan.......

Current Madara still doesn't have 100% Kyubi in his possession something that Hashirama alongside with him defeated. 100% Kyubi's power alone is probably greater/better than Rinnengan in a fight, yet he still lost. That shows that Hashirama probably has hiding powers that we couldn't even imagine. Reason why Madara says that even in his current state, Hashirama beats him. I doubt the wood dragon is his strongest mokuton jutsu. It's only good to use to seize a Tailed Beast, that's all

 

[BloodSeed]

- Madara already admitted even in his Edo form that Hashirama can still beat him. Now Hashirama is revived in Edo version as well, with all the advantages it has. So Hashirama > Madara

- Hiruzen God of Shinobi owned Hashirama and Tobirama together in his old age. Now he is revived as Edo with all advantages it has, he could spam techniques he couldn't in his old age, so Hiruzen > Madara

- Minato already owned Obito, so it's mangafact that Minato > Obito. Minato also took the post of Hokage over the God of Shinobi when he was around 50, the older version of Hiruzen(around 70) owned Hashirama and Tobirama. Now he is revived with unlimited chakra and undying body. Imagine the cheat? FTGing everywhere, sealing techniques everywhere, etc So Minato > Madara as well

The only mystery here concerns Tobirama's power compared to Madara, but when we know that he did created powerful jutsus like Edo Tensei, best suiton user by hype, possess S/T techniques, he should be around Madara's or Obito's level as well

No wonder why Suigetsu was confident in the fact that with this, they could easily take control of this war U_U

hey bro bogard you wanna know what? do you remember a chapter called third power something likethat? it was team orochimaru right? so there should be a power balance between those 3.

madara+tobi+jubii+zetsu army
naruto+kurama+allied shinobi
orochimaru+sasuke+taka +hokages

when you look at their lineup
orochimaru + sasuke seems weak infront of madara,tobi,naruto,kurama and the jubii, however these edo hokages must be stronger than expected to keep up with the balance of power since kurama or the jubii are faqing beast.

 

[Bogard]

hey bro bogard you wanna know what? do you remember a chapter called third power something likethat? it was team orochimaru right? so there should be a power balance between those 3.

madara+tobi+jubii+zetsu army
naruto+kurama+allied shinobi
orochimaru+sasuke+taka +hokages

when you look at their lineup
orochimaru + sasuke seems weak infront of madara,tobi,naruto,kurama and the jubii, however these edo hokages must be stronger than expected to keep up with the balance of power since kurama or the jubii are faqing beast.

Yeah i remember that chapter of course. It's another reason why the Hokages should really be strong because the Juubi by himself is the strongest being that ever existed besides SO6P maybe. For the balance to happen, we would have to finally see the Hokages fighting all out. :scorps:

 

[BloodSeed]

Yeah i remember that chapter of course. It's another reason why the Hokages should really be strong because the Juubi by himself is the strongest being that ever existed besides SO6P maybe. For the balance to happen, we would have to finally see the Hokages fighting all out. :scorps:

look at this chart that ive made, i think its close to this

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no fanboy

 

[B00m]

Lots of debating in this thread, so much so that I almost forgot that Madara and the Hokage's are Edo's. So to me it doesn't really matter what techniques you have, they'll come back to "life" anyway. If they do fight I believe Madara (and Obito) will be somewhat overwhelmed seeing as the Hokage's can't die, and the amount/variety of jutsus and knowledge they have between all of them is crazy.

I can just see forests and oceans spawning, while Minato is FTG'ing all over the place like an annoying fly, Hiruzen would just be a solid anchor to the whole combination, assisting/fitting in where needed.

 

[RikudoKami]

It's obvious they aren't letting Madara & Obito utilize their Rinnegan with all the paths because THEY WOULDN'T HAVE ANY CHANCE IF WINNING

 

[Kages]

Yeah, agreed :y

 

[KidGamer65]

Edo Madara stomps any of the Edo Hokage bar Hashirama.

Obito stomps Tobirama and Hiruzen, and beats Minato.

 

[MrLukyso]

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^Gave Nagato the Rinnegan

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^Created Zetsu

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^Trained Obito

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^Awakened the Rinnegan

Would you like for me to explain how Madara created Tobi or is that obvious?

And this is it, thanks a lot man, ***** for you definetly, I was too lazy so search through Manga Pages, I tried to prove it in words, but no one GaF.

Someone also said Madara's mokuton is Poor ?
1. Flower Tree World.
2. Mokuton Clones.
3. Wood Dragon.
4. That approaching Mokuton jutsu with insane scale ( Took all Kuramas chakra to stop it ).

Rinnegan poor ?
1. Only one who knows every secret about Rinnegan, which makes him the only one who can use it to it's full extent.
2. Preta Path.
3. Banshou Tenin ( No other explanation for Meteors, wasn't a Summoning jutsu, no smoke, no seals, no words, just his EYES ).
4. Gedo Mazou.

Other than that he Didn't had a Challenge yet since he was ressurected by Edo, maybe if he fights Hashirama we can see what is a Rinnegan, couse Nagato showed nothing OP

 

[Sexy Steel]

Edo Madara stomps any of the Edo Hokage bar Hashirama.

Obito stomps Tobirama and Hiruzen, and beats Minato.

this^ the minato fanboys will oboviusly say minato beat obito so he can do it again/ minato teleports into susano and gg madara

 

[BloodSeed]

this^ the minato fanboys will oboviusly say minato beat obito so he can do it again/ minato teleports into susano and gg madara

when kishi shows the feats from edo hokage please dont leave the base or change account ok

 

[Bogard]

this^ the minato fanboys will oboviusly say minato beat obito so he can do it again/ minato teleports into susano and gg madara

when kishi shows the feats from edo hokage please dont leave the base or change account ok

Lol, owned :rofl:

 

[KevinPJH]

Hiruzen was just over hyped.

 

[iKaras]

If I was Madara i'd summon PS, stand on its head and spam meteors to no end while I let PS do his thing...but that wont happen since plot no jutsu will come into play...Can't do that since Obito is also there.

 

[minatoisagod]

makes sense to me

 

[Draphsin]

- Madara already admitted even in his Edo form that Hashirama can still beat him. Now Hashirama is revived in Edo version as well, with all the advantages it has. So Hashirama > Madara

- Hiruzen God of Shinobi owned Hashirama and Tobirama together in his old age. Now he is revived as Edo with all advantages it has, he could spam techniques he couldn't in his old age, so Hiruzen > Madara

- Minato already owned Obito, so it's mangafact that Minato > Obito. Minato also took the post of Hokage over the God of Shinobi when he was around 50, the older version of Hiruzen(around 70) owned Hashirama and Tobirama. Now he is revived with unlimited chakra and undying body. Imagine the cheat? FTGing everywhere, sealing techniques everywhere, etc So Minato > Madara as well

The only mystery here concerns Tobirama's power compared to Madara, but when we know that he did created powerful jutsus like Edo Tensei, best suiton user by hype, possess S/T techniques, he should be around Madara's or Obito's level as well

No wonder why Suigetsu was confident in the fact that with this, they could easily take control of this war U_U

Im not gonna even bother countering any of these points because this 1 ruins your entire claim. The hokage are being controlled by oro, meaning that they are all significantly weaker than their original selves, let alone madara or obito. Because abc logic implies that if the 1st and 2nd being controlled by oro lost to an old age hiruzen, then that means 1-4 hokage being controlled by oro (which would be harder to do) would get roflstomped by madara and obito (both at least 10x stronger than an old hiruzen)

Oh and btw...preta solos mokuton, and if you wanna go by manga statements than please explain this to me

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And here we see an alive tsunade, after witnessing PS......

Point is, dont take absolute statements made by madara seriously, because he likes to exaggerate....he's cocky after all :shrug: