Alliance between Law and Luffy

[TenseiganFTW]

What do you think about this?
Is Law going to be in a Alliance with Luffy after this Dressrosa Arc?

I personally think yes becuase Kaido is after them now,even Law stated it.
And after that the alliance will come to an end.

Also do you think Law need a stronger crew?
I mean if he fights against Luffy for the Pirate King title then Law really needs a strong crew becuase his crew doesn't seem to be that strong...

Zoro>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Giant

Sanji>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Panda

Don't forget the 7 other captains LOL,so Law may join strawhats in the future or maybe not ?
Kid has a another supernova in his crew and Kid's crew seems to be the 3rd strongest of the worst generation.

Luffy's crew is the 2nd one while BB's crew is at #1 right now...

Edit: Put my thread in OP discussion please i accidentally put it in Naruto Discussion LOL
Forgive me.

 

[loj]

Luffy has the best alliance for now at least as a supernova.

5600 men and Law.They would shit all over Kid and his alliance.At least that's what I think.

And I don't think they will split after Dressrosa.They were going to Zou to pick SH's and the rest of HP and then they wanted to take on Kaido.

Well who knows now...we still don't know what happened to Kid and his alliance after encountering Kaido.

 

[TenseiganFTW]

Luffy has the best alliance for now at least as a supernova.

5600 men and Law.They would shit all over Kid and his alliance.At least that's what I think.

And I don't think they will split after Dressrosa.They were going to Zou to pick SH's and the rest of HP and then they wanted to take on Kaido.

Well who knows now...we still don't know what happened to Kid and his alliance after encountering Kaido.

Well i don't think the alliance will stay forever.
From the Worst generation BB's crew is at #1 ,idk if Burgess died LOL.
Yea Kid's alliance isn't that op.
Actually Bartolomeo can kill Apoo(my opinion).

 

[Passerby]

He is not a Panda
He is a polar bear. Don't be ****ing racist :sdo2:

 

[loj]

Well i don't think the alliance will stay forever.
From the Worst generation BB's crew is at #1 ,idk if Burgess died LOL.
Yea Kid's alliance isn't that op.
Actually Bartolomeo can kill Apoo(my opinion).

Well who knows.Law also wants to get the One Piece.Will he realize that he should help and leave it to Luffy? or he won't.We will see about that after they and if they defeat Kaido.

 

[TenseiganFTW]

He is not a Panda
He is a polar bear. Don't be ****ing racist :sdo2:

Close enough :sdo:

 

[keshav31]

Law's dream doesn't seems to be getting one piece after dressrosa arc.He wants to get revenge for corazon but now he got that.Also he doesn't have enough power to get one piece by himself or has a powerful helping force to get that.So he can stay as ally to Luffy to go ahead.Well he is going to help luffy against Kaido.

 

[chopstickchakra]

What do you think about this?
Is Law going to be in a Alliance with Luffy after this Dressrosa Arc?

I personally think yes becuase Kaido is after them now,even Law stated it.
And after that the alliance will come to an end.

Also do you think Law need a stronger crew?
I mean if he fights against Luffy for the Pirate King title then Law really needs a strong crew becuase his crew doesn't seem to be that strong...

Zoro>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Giant

Sanji>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Panda

Don't forget the 7 other captains LOL,so Law may join strawhats in the future or maybe not ?
Kid has a another supernova in his crew and Kid's crew seems to be the 3rd strongest of the worst generation.

Luffy's crew is the 2nd one while BB's crew is at #1 right now...

Edit: Put my thread in OP discussion please i accidentally put it in Naruto Discussion LOL
Forgive me.

No way, BB Pirates aren't better as a whole than the SH Pirates, they may have more fear of them in the op world but they're not ready for the SH's yet, not based on what we've seen from Burgess. Hell Luffy even did better against Magellan than BB.

 

[Relostar Devil]

No way, BB Pirates aren't better as a whole than the SH Pirates, they may have more fear of them in the op world but they're not ready for the SH's yet, not based on what we've seen from Burgess. Hell Luffy even did better against Magellan than BB.

Actually BB crew is very weak in my opinion. Shiryu was strong but was weaker than magellan, and we all know that one or two haki people can tank him so only person left is Blackbeard himself and that also coz of his df. So I agree with you of SH crew stronger than BB crew. But on 1v1 with BB could be fatal for luffy if he don't attack him surprisingly.

 

[KingHashirama]

Law could very well be like WB and not even go for pirate king.

No way, BB Pirates aren't better as a whole than the SH Pirates, they may have more fear of them in the op world but they're not ready for the SH's yet, not based on what we've seen from Burgess. Hell Luffy even did better against Magellan than BB.

Bb is already a yonko...

 

[chopstickchakra]

Law could very well be like WB and not even go for pirate king.



Bb is already a yonko...

and...? He stole WB's power right in front of the WG of course they're going to see him as a threat. Just because he's seen as a bigger threat doesn't make it true. We've seen nothing from BB Pirates except them getting roflstomped by Magellan really. BB to me has been portrayed as a coward with strong weapons but the moments those weapons appear to not be working for him he gets scared. BB is the supreme opportunist and opportunist are usually that way because they can't affect the change they seek through up front methods. I.E. BB wanted the Yami Yami no Mi but Thatch got it, rather than challenge Thatch for it or engage in a fight even, he decided to sneak up on him at night and murder him; BB acted real tough when he thought WB was dying then almost shit himself when WB grabbed him by the face after WB actually died BB got bold again and started talking shit and shooting a corpse(yeah real tough guy)

 

[chopstickchakra]

Actually BB crew is very weak in my opinion. Shiryu was strong but was weaker than magellan, and we all know that one or two haki people can tank him so only person left is Blackbeard himself and that also coz of his df. So I agree with you of SH crew stronger than BB crew. But on 1v1 with BB could be fatal for luffy if he don't attack him surprisingly.

It could be, Teach is hinted at being a big threat later on however I think someone like Luffy or Zoro or Sanji even are the perfect match for BB. As far as I remember the YYnM only absorbs logia type powers, it doesn't shut down the df capabilities entirely i.e. if BB pulled Luffy in and grabbed him, he could still extend his arm back to Red Hawk him(correct me if that's wrong, as far as I remember the instance of him stopping Luffy was anime only and as we all know anime only = filler that is at least until you want it to suit your claims lol) Even if it does stop Luffy from stretching he still has crazy power and during Ace's fight with BB we learn that BB takes more damage then regular people because his YYnM draws in pain as well so someone like Luffy and his punches or Sanji and his kicks or Zoro and his slashes would be a bad matchup for BB and his YYnM which is why he needed the GGnM as an extra line of defense for people like Zoro/Sanji/Mihawk/Shanks who are super strong and have no DF to negate.

Edit: Ok so I went back and looked up some of the pages, the best thing we have to suggest BB's DF also limits other DF types aside from Logia is this panel.

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Now this may be me just playing devils advocate or being hard headed but how do we know there wasn't haki involved? Everyone keeps bringing up points about how Haki was shown throughout the manga at different times and ways when I bring up the argument that Haki wasn't fully developed in story before Ace's death and if he had lived we'd likely have seen Armament Haki from him. Also if it works on all types aside from Logia how would it affect a Zoan? Revert it to the form before it ate the fruit? Keep it locked in the transformation it's in when touched? What would happen to Brook if he was touched by BB with the YYnM? It seems like an assumption more than a fact that BB's DF also nullifies completely the effects of any and all DF's. But that's just me.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

No way, BB Pirates aren't better as a whole than the SH Pirates, they may have more fear of them in the op world but they're not ready for the SH's yet, not based on what we've seen from Burgess. Hell Luffy even did better against Magellan than BB.

Lol u do realize kuzan is with bb now lol (whether undercover or not he still part of his crew) with that being said akoiji can still solo strawhats mid diff lol

Only problems r main 3 but only Sanji and luffy r true threats everyone else including zoro (he's stronger then Sanji but like rest he's ground base) will get frozen solid in span of seconds

Sanji has flight so annoying and luffy during gears has more blood pumping so will b faster and more warm etc not that either of these will stop akoiji..

 

[chopstickchakra]

Lol u do realize kuzan is with bb now lol (whether undercover or not he still part of his crew) with that being said akoiji can still solo strawhats mid diff lol

Only problems r main 3 but only Sanji and luffy r true threats everyone else including zoro (he's stronger then Sanji but like rest he's ground base) will get frozen solid in span of seconds

Sanji has flight so annoying and luffy during gears has more blood pumping so will b faster and more warm etc not that either of these will stop akoiji..

Assuming Aokiji cares enough to keep up image and fight SHP's. Just because he's there doesn't mean he'll fight. But yeah I did forget and if he does get involved then that's probably the case. Also did Aokiji ever actually "join" or is he just an associate of sorts like Law to Luffy? I seem to remember Burgess and Teach talking about how they shouldn't trust Aokiji yet.

 

[Akuma]

Lol u do realize kuzan is with bb now lol (whether undercover or not he still part of his crew) with that being said akoiji can still solo strawhats mid diff lol

Um, what? Link to where it explicity stated he was with BB. Last I heard he was involved with them, business doesn't mean loyalty.

 

[Relostar Devil]

It could be, Teach is hinted at being a big threat later on however I think someone like Luffy or Zoro or Sanji even are the perfect match for BB. As far as I remember the YYnM only absorbs logia type powers, it doesn't shut down the df capabilities entirely i.e. if BB pulled Luffy in and grabbed him, he could still extend his arm back to Red Hawk him(correct me if that's wrong, as far as I remember the instance of him stopping Luffy was anime only and as we all know anime only = filler that is at least until you want it to suit your claims lol) Even if it does stop Luffy from stretching he still has crazy power and during Ace's fight with BB we learn that BB takes more damage then regular people because his YYnM draws in pain as well so someone like Luffy and his punches or Sanji and his kicks or Zoro and his slashes would be a bad matchup for BB and his YYnM which is why he needed the GGnM as an extra line of defense for people like Zoro/Sanji/Mihawk/Shanks who are super strong and have no DF to negate.

Edit: Ok so I went back and looked up some of the pages, the best thing we have to suggest BB's DF also limits other DF types aside from Logia is this panel.

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Now this may be me just playing devils advocate or being hard headed but how do we know there wasn't haki involved? Everyone keeps bringing up points about how Haki was shown throughout the manga at different times and ways when I bring up the argument that Haki wasn't fully developed in story before Ace's death and if he had lived we'd likely have seen Armament Haki from him. Also if it works on all types aside from Logia how would it affect a Zoan? Revert it to the form before it ate the fruit? Keep it locked in the transformation it's in when touched? What would happen to Brook if he was touched by BB with the YYnM? It seems like an assumption more than a fact that BB's DF also nullifies completely the effects of any and all DF's. But that's just me.

YYnM sucks devil powers, that means it wont allow users to use their gifted abilities. Luffy cant stretch its arms when touched in the panel you have shown. Ever noticed their reaction when he and ace got sucked by vortex of YYnM. Its same like that of kairousukei or drowning in water. This is how I feel YYnM works, its makes DF users weak just like water which makes them unable to use their strength, so they cant even hit BB properly with their brute strength. And haki was never introduced /developed before amazon lily arc. Idk why people keep believing in it to be introduced from very first chp. His fruit has one disadvantage of giving more pain to the user than ususal.

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YYnM sucks all devil powers, means Zoan fruit cant transform in their animal form when in contact, it reverts them back to the human.

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Same applies to brook, it wont take its second life but will act as sea stone and will make him heavy as he was on his normal-before-human form instead of light, and unable to draw its underground chills or ice or other fruits ability.

Well have you ever wonder why luffy is paramecia?? His all ability is like logia, has an elemental body, needs haki to beat. Even jozu's body has an elemental form, diamond and considered as logia, then why not luffy. Just bcoz characters of story says so???(If ever explained by oda that he is paramecia in SBS, then highlight me bcoz I don't read them).

 

[chopstickchakra]

YYnM sucks devil powers, that means it wont allow users to use their gifted abilities. Luffy cant stretch its arms when touched in the panel you have shown. Ever noticed their reaction when he and ace got sucked by vortex of YYnM. Its same like that of kairousukei or drowning in water. This is how I feel YYnM works, its makes DF users weak just like water which makes them unable to use their strength, so they cant even hit BB properly with their brute strength. And haki was never introduced /developed before amazon lily arc. Idk why people keep believing in it to be introduced from very first chp. His fruit has one disadvantage of giving more pain to the user than ususal.

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YYnM sucks all devil powers, means Zoan fruit cant transform in their animal form when in contact, it reverts them back to the human.

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Same applies to brook, it wont take its second life but will act as sea stone and will make him heavy as he was on his normal-before-human form instead of light, and unable to draw its underground chills or ice or other fruits ability.

Well have you ever wonder why luffy is paramecia?? His all ability is like logia, has an elemental body, needs haki to beat. Even jozu's body has an elemental form, diamond and considered as logia, then why not luffy. Just bcoz characters of story says so???(If ever explained by oda that he is paramecia in SBS, then highlight me bcoz I don't read them).

Well a few things, first the pics aren't showing on my comp. Other than that though, BB's YYnM is said to completely stop the DF powers but Karioseki and water only make the power uncontrollable as seen when Luffy's neck is stretched while he's underwater so he won't drown. So there they can still use their powers instinctively they just can not call on them at will. But then Haki must protect from the water effect because Luffy was able to finish Red Hawk when his arm was in the water. I want to see more panels of BB's YYnM stopping other types of fruits to see if it's true or just a widely accepted truth among the fans.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It could be, Teach is hinted at being a big threat later on however I think someone like Luffy or Zoro or Sanji even are the perfect match for BB. As far as I remember the YYnM only absorbs logia type powers, it doesn't shut down the df capabilities entirely i.e. if BB pulled Luffy in and grabbed him, he could still extend his arm back to Red Hawk him(correct me if that's wrong, as far as I remember the instance of him stopping Luffy was anime only and as we all know anime only = filler that is at least until you want it to suit your claims lol) Even if it does stop Luffy from stretching he still has crazy power and during Ace's fight with BB we learn that BB takes more damage then regular people because his YYnM draws in pain as well so someone like Luffy and his punches or Sanji and his kicks or Zoro and his slashes would be a bad matchup for BB and his YYnM which is why he needed the GGnM as an extra line of defense for people like Zoro/Sanji/Mihawk/Shanks who are super strong and have no DF to negate.

Edit: Ok so I went back and looked up some of the pages, the best thing we have to suggest BB's DF also limits other DF types aside from Logia is this panel.

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Now this may be me just playing devils advocate or being hard headed but how do we know there wasn't haki involved? Everyone keeps bringing up points about how Haki was shown throughout the manga at different times and ways when I bring up the argument that Haki wasn't fully developed in story before Ace's death and if he had lived we'd likely have seen Armament Haki from him. Also if it works on all types aside from Logia how would it affect a Zoan? Revert it to the form before it ate the fruit? Keep it locked in the transformation it's in when touched? What would happen to Brook if he was touched by BB with the YYnM? It seems like an assumption more than a fact that BB's DF also nullifies completely the effects of any and all DF's. But that's just me.

The Yami Yami no Mi nullifies all DF powers. When he grabbed Luffy in Impel Down, Gear 2 stopped and Teach slammed him into the ground, causing him to spit up blood, which confused both Luffy and Crocodile. It wasn't Haki because Haki wouldn't stop Gear 2 and wouldn't cause Luffy to bleed from hitting the ground.

Well have you ever wonder why luffy is paramecia?? His all ability is like logia, has an elemental body, needs haki to beat. Even jozu's body has an elemental form, diamond and considered as logia, then why not luffy. Just bcoz characters of story says so???(If ever explained by oda that he is paramecia in SBS, then highlight me bcoz I don't read them).

You don't understand what Paramecia and Logia are. Logia don't just have an elemental body. Logia have the power to BOTH become an element and create it. Luffy's body is rubber, he has become rubber, but he cannot create rubber. Because of that, he falls into the category of a Paramecia, which EITHER can create and control something(Whitebeard with Quakes, Doflamingo with strings, Mr. 3 with clay, Law with Room) or have their body altered in some way(Luffy becoming rubber, Buggy being able to split, Jozu turning into diamond). Neither Jozu nor Luffy are considered Logia.

 

[chopstickchakra]

The Yami Yami no Mi nullifies all DF powers. When he grabbed Luffy in Impel Down, Gear 2 stopped and Teach slammed him into the ground, causing him to spit up blood, which confused both Luffy and Crocodile. It wasn't Haki because Haki wouldn't stop Gear 2 and wouldn't cause Luffy to bleed from hitting the ground.



You don't understand what Paramecia and Logia are. Logia don't just have an elemental body. Logia have the power to BOTH become an element and create it. Luffy's body is rubber, he has become rubber, but he cannot create rubber. Because of that, he falls into the category of a Paramecia, which EITHER can create and control something(Whitebeard with Quakes, Doflamingo with strings, Mr. 3 with clay, Law with Room) or have their body altered in some way(Luffy becoming rubber, Buggy being able to split, Jozu turning into diamond). Neither Jozu nor Luffy are considered Logia.

That's my hang up though, it stopping gear 2 isn't really shown clearly. I mean maybe to others it is but to me it wasn't. Luffy was in gear 2 got sucked in due to dark vortex and then slammed down, the panels make it feel like there was some lapse in time between the actions but they were pretty much boom,boom,boom. I didn't really see it in the manga stopping gear 2's effects just that he sucked him in and smashed him.

The coughing up blood thing is what I was thinking may have just been haki use, I don't see why it wouldn't still make him get hurt and bleed by covering your hand in haki and slamming him on the ground with it, the impact between the ground and BB's hand(haki maybe) would be where the damage came from.

It very well may be as most say that his DF does stop all other DF's I'd just like to see it on more examples or see it said in the manga. I'm curious to see how it would effect different people beyond speculation, like Chopper, would he be stuck in what ever point he was in when he's touched by BB or since it is supposed to nullify the fruit would it be as if he never had the fruit and revert to his original body for the time being? Brook is another I'm curious how it would really affect, if it nullifies the effect of the fruit would Brook's body become unresponsive as long as BB was touching him? Would it just force the soul out and make Brook be the ghost version? I really just wish Luffy had tried to throw a punch at Imple Down but like I said earlier it all just happened he got sucked in and then slammed in an instant that's why I'm a little surprised to hear you say it shut own gear 2 so assuredly. Was there a change in the drawings you noticed that implied to you gear 2 stopped? If so can you show me. Or is it you think gear 2 got shut down because the common belief that the YYnM nullifies all fruits?

I just looked at the panel I posted again, you can see at the 3rd panel there's still the steam from gear 2 and in panel there's still steam by his foot as he's being slammed. It looks like gear 2 is still active to me. I think we're both just seeing the panels our own way.

 

[Punk Hazard]

That's my hang up though, it stopping gear 2 isn't really shown clearly. I mean maybe to others it is but to me it wasn't. Luffy was in gear 2 got sucked in due to dark vortex and then slammed down, the panels make it feel like there was some lapse in time between the actions but they were pretty much boom,boom,boom. I didn't really see it in the manga stopping gear 2's effects just that he sucked him in and smashed him.

The coughing up blood thing is what I was thinking may have just been haki use, I don't see why it wouldn't still make him get hurt and bleed by covering your hand in haki and slamming him on the ground with it, the impact between the ground and BB's hand(haki maybe) would be where the damage came from.

It very well may be as most say that his DF does stop all other DF's I'd just like to see it on more examples or see it said in the manga. I'm curious to see how it would effect different people beyond speculation, like Chopper, would he be stuck in what ever point he was in when he's touched by BB or since it is supposed to nullify the fruit would it be as if he never had the fruit and revert to his original body for the time being? Brook is another I'm curious how it would really affect, if it nullifies the effect of the fruit would Brook's body become unresponsive as long as BB was touching him? Would it just force the soul out and make Brook be the ghost version? I really just wish Luffy had tried to throw a punch at Imple Down but like I said earlier it all just happened he got sucked in and then slammed in an instant that's why I'm a little surprised to hear you say it shut own gear 2 so assuredly. Was there a change in the drawings you noticed that implied to you gear 2 stopped? If so can you show me. Or is it you think gear 2 got shut down because the common belief that the YYnM nullifies all fruits?

I just looked at the panel I posted again, you can see at the 3rd panel there's still the steam from gear 2 and in panel there's still steam by his foot as he's being slammed. It looks like gear 2 is still active to me. I think we're both just seeing the panels our own way.

like I said, Haki wouldn't make him cough up blood when slammed into the ground. Haki was very clearly stated to not be able to nullify DF powers. The only way being slammed into the ground would cause Luffy to spit up blood with the usage of Haki is if you imbued the ground with Haki.

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Teach grabs WB and says he can't make more Quakes.