All manga canon, Clan tier thread

[Dantee]

Well towards the end of the manga they were, the uchiha had two juubi jins and will go down in NV history as such. Madara is NV's satan, his name will strike fear for generations to come. The Legendary Madara Uchiha.

However Naruto is also legened, the legendary hero and seventh hokage Naruto Uzumaki.

The problem with that is the majority of NBers feels all powers tied with their orginals clans are gone once the Clan has gone extinct. NAruto and Sasuke are like indra ashura all over again.

 

[Michael]

The problem with that is the majority of NBers feels all powers tied with their orginals clans are gone once the Clan has gone extinct. NAruto and Sasuke are like indra ashura all over again.

Yeah, exactly. The why the new generation mainly boruto and sarada even himawari shows much promise. Their bloodline is alot closer to the original otsutsuki's, thats why their abilities will be alot more potent/advanced.

 

[lndra]

But if I'm not counting Kyuubi power I really have nothing to gauge the clans strength on besides their stamina. Of couurse stamina is important to a ninja but ninja skills and techniques is what makes them strong. Dangerous fuinjutsu is good but what offensive sealing techs do they have outside death repear?

What's wrong with that? You can't name any other Clan capable of doing the same bar Senju at best, and the Uzumaki Clan were never made to seal Bijuu. They just so happened to be powerful enough to do that by themselves.

That's the only Fuuinjutsu we ever saw namely coming from them. Both Tobirama and Minato are linked to the Uzumaki, one by lineage (they were on friendly terms) and one was married to an Uzumaki, hell, I believe there is a panel of Kushina saying she showed/taught Minato how to use certain seals.

It's not based on what have they shown, since the Clan died during the Feudal Era. It's what they are showing with the lack of.

 

[shelke]

When a Clan gets killed off panel and the mangaka doesn't even explain as to whom this feat can be linked to, it should be placed in D rank. The Uzumakis have little to no combat abilites and the "chains" are a rare factor. No where in the manga is it even claimed that they were a threat in battle ... where sealing Jutsus would be almost completely useless.

I agree with the list.

 

[LeSauce]

When a Clan gets killed off panel and the mangaka doesn't even explain as to whom this feat can be linked to, it should be placed in D rank. The Uzumakis has little to no cmbat abilites and the "chains" are a rare factor. No where in the manga is it even claimed that they were a threat in battle ... where sealing Jutsus would be almost completely useless.

I agree with the list.

But Bolt is an Uzumaki, and Bolt>Sarada. That means that in this new generation Uzumaki>Uchiha and that they were always close in power.
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[Dantee]

What's wrong with that? You can't name any other Clan capable of doing the same bar Senju at best, and the Uzumaki Clan were never made to seal Bijuu. They just so happened to be powerful enough to do that by themselves.

That's the only Fuuinjutsu we ever saw namely coming from them. Both Tobirama and Minato are linked to the Uzumaki, one by lineage (they were on friendly terms) and one was married to an Uzumaki, hell, I believe there is a panel of Kushina saying she showed/taught Minato how to use certain seals.

It's not based on what have they shown, since the Clan died during the Feudal Era. It's what they are showing with the lack of.

You are implying only Uzumakis can seal a bijuu and thats not true. Other people have become jins despite bijuu chakra being massive so saying Uzumakis were the only ones when the manga didn't state that is not true. Their knowledge on fuinjutsu is what made them feared so I only argue with that canonical fact. None were shown as frontline fighters so I can only put them in a ninja support rank.

 

[lndra]

You are implying only Uzumakis can seal a bijuu and thats not true. Other people have become jins despite bijuu chakra being massive so saying Uzumakis were the only ones when the manga didn't state that is not true. Their knowledge on fuinjutsu is what made them feared so I only argue with that canonical fact. None were shown as frontline fighters so I can only put them in a ninja support rank.

What? I said that the Uzumaki were the only Clan capable of sealing Bijuu's in their body in long term. They are the only known clan in existence used for that purpose post-destruction. Read carefully.

Except that's not the point, which you keep forgetting. All the Uzumaki shown, few, aren't front-line fighters and have shown amazing feats nonetheless. Which you can't say for everyone else. You can't show one Uzumaki Clan member with not one impressive feature on their own, despite not showcasing their Fuuinjutsu.

The biggest example of next-gen Uzumaki is Bolt, no KKG aside from his Uzumaki lineage (as he didn't inherit the Byakugan). And he's pretty freaking talented for a kid his age, nonetheless. Hopefully you understand that this has nothing to do with 'Clan not existing anymore' BS.

Uzumaki Clan has been spread around for decades long before Naruto was even born. Imagine if Bolt or Naruto grew up where they had access to the Uzumaki Clan abilities similar to how Sasuke had his father, the Clan, and Itachi. And how Sarada has her father.

 

[take it easy]

God tier :

Otsutsuki Clan


Demi God tier :

Uchiha Clan
Senju Clan

S tier:

Hozuki Clan
Jugo's Clan
Kaguya Clan
Yuki Clan


A rank:

Hyuuga Clan
Aburame
Akimichi

B rank:

Sarutobi Clan
Inuzuka Clan
Nara Clan

C rank:
Uzumaki Clan
Hatake Clan
Hagoromo Clan
Shimaru Clan

D rank:

Yotsuki Clan
Yamanaka Clan
Hoki Family
Fuma Clan

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I just wanna see how Haku or Kiba can defeat SM Naruto (his own potential without Kyuubi/Hagoromo power-up).

 

[shelke]

But Bolt is an Uzumaki, and Bolt>Sarada. That means that in this new generation Uzumaki>Uchiha and that they were always close in power.
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Doubt it, as Bolt is not even a pure-blooded Uzumaki. In fact, he's a watered down version of an already watered down half-breed. Whether he's better than her or not doesn't even concern me, but he is no Uzumaki.

 

[lndra]

Bolt isn't an Uzumaki now? What entitles someone Uzumaki if not based on blood? That's like not calling Tsunade an Uzumaki when she is in the same stance as Boruto and his sister.

 

[Dantee]

What? I said that the Uzumaki were the only Clan capable of sealing Bijuu's in their body in long term. They are the only known clan in existence used for that purpose post-destruction. Read carefully.

Except that's not the point, which you keep forgetting. All the Uzumaki shown, few, aren't front-line fighters and have shown amazing feats nonetheless. Which you can't say for everyone else. You can't show one Uzumaki Clan member with not one impressive feature on their own, despite not showcasing their Fuuinjutsu.

The biggest example of next-gen Uzumaki is Bolt, no KKG aside from his Uzumaki lineage (as he didn't inherit the Byakugan). And he's pretty freaking talented for a kid his age, nonetheless. Hopefully you understand that this has nothing to do with 'Clan not existing anymore' BS.

Uzumaki Clan has been spread around for decades long before Naruto was even born. Imagine if Bolt or Naruto grew up where they had access to the Uzumaki Clan abilities similar to how Sasuke had his father, the Clan, and Itachi. And how Sarada has her father.

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You are basing their ability as a clan based on their stamina and overestimating them because of something trivial like being bijuu hosts. when the clan existed in his pre-date were killed off for their sealing abilties. I cant loan them feats from someone who born far after then clan was extinct.


Nor can I assume they were any more dangerous as a group because often they are portrayed as support ninja. Mito who supported HAshi, Karin supported Taka, Kurenei supported Minato/Naruto. s

 

[shelke]

Bolt isn't an Uzumaki now? What entitles someone Uzumaki if not based on blood? That's like not calling Tsunade an Uzumaki when she is in the same stance as Boruto and his sister.

He lacks the physical traits. So, yes ... a watered down, poorer version of an already cheap knock off. In short, he's a poor, less-than-half-breed at best, and in no way what an Uzumaki should be.

 

[lndra]

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You are basing their ability as a clan based on their stamina and overestimating them because of something trivial like being bijuu hosts. when the clan existed in his pre-date were killed off for their sealing abilties. I cant loan them feats from someone who born far after then clan was extinct.

Yeah and this is what I call incredibly major display. It's extremely prude. I'll hold down the counter for you to show one Clan that has the ability to hold and stabilize the strongest Tailed Beast in existence and still namely not be associated with the term 'powerful'. For probably the 60th time I have had to repeat myself, since for some reason you aren't understanding the basic points of my post for what-ever contrived reason, I'll repeat it this time more fluently.

It has nothing to do with what they have shown in combat, as the Uzumaki Clan died off long before the series started, unlike the Uchiha Clan whose ancestors were even alive to fight in the War as Edo Tensei and so forth. The Clan itself has shown prowess that you can namely label it as a distinction of strength based on the fact that the Clan members who are used in these very examples are shinobi who were born outside of their Clan and were raised up in the same situation. However, you can't name one Clan shinobi whom grew up without their Clan in some way, shape, or form in the beginning who isn't powerful (that is grouped along with family members who can pass down what they learned).

Nor can I assume they were any more dangerous as a group because often they are portrayed as support ninja. Mito who supported HAshi, Karin supported Taka, Kurenei supported Minato/Naruto. s

This is probably the most pathetic reach, though. Especially considering the only support shinobi who focused on support was Karin, and namely because her abilities involved in healing. Nagato, Naruto, Mito, and Kushina were never stated to be support shinobi who couldn't fight in combat. We've only seen Naruto and Nagato, and for the most part, both grew up without the Clan, and grew up with a power that was bestowed by someone else.

 

[lndra]

He lacks the physical traits. So, yes ... a watered down, poorer version of an already cheap knock off. In short, he's a poor, less-than-half-breed at best, and in no way what an Uzumaki should be.

Well obviously he isn't a 'Full Uzumaki' like Nagato, Karin, or Kushina. But that doesn't range well considering that even Naruto was stated to have inherited the same powerful chakra (which according to Kushina she had something similar), which is why he was capable of holding down Kurama, and that he resisted momentarily (I would say a few seconds) the Bijuu extraction before his timely death unlike Gaara who died instantly after.

So whether they are watered down versions of the real thing doesn't matter, they still inherited the genes that associate them with the Uzumaki Clan, and namely not talking about red hair or what-ever.

 

[shelke]

Well obviously he isn't a 'Full Uzumaki' like Nagato, Karin, or Kushina. But that doesn't range well considering that even Naruto was stated to have inherited the same powerful chakra (which according to Kushina she had something similar), which is why he was capable of holding down Kurama, and that he resisted momentarily (I would say a few seconds) the Bijuu extraction before his timely death unlike Gaara who died instantly after.

So whether they are watered down versions of the real thing doesn't matter, they still inherited the genes that associate them with the Uzumaki Clan, and namely not talking about red hair or what-ever.

I am not going to do this again. We have gone through this a million times here, and I not sure why you expect a different response from me, when the "missing red hair" alone seals the deal. Whichever genes he inherited, they robbed him of the essence of Uzumaki blood line, which is directly denoted by their unique hair-colour.

The manga states it very clearly. Bolt, genetically, maybe linked to Uzumakis but he sure as hell would never share their full-bloodied traits. And, it's the second generation from a watered down father. Whether you agree with this or not is your call.

 

[~Ethereal~]

Every clan was feared for something and sealing a bijuu means nothing tbh as every village managed to do the same. It's hard to picture a clan that stands in rituals protecting themselves outside of the jinchuriki.

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And I based this list purely on strength and ability in combat.

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Geniuses outside of Uchiha were said to be ordinary and pale in comparison.

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The rule of fighting Uchiha was 2v1.


Madaras name was feared/legendary, but hes not the sole reason for Uchiha reputation.

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That picture made me lose it. That would be so weird to do(Uzumakis standing like that the whole battle).

 

[lndra]

I am not going to do this again. We have gone through this a million times here, and I not sure why you expect a different response from me, when the "missing red hair" alone seals the deal. Whichever genes he inherited, they robbed him of the essence of Uzumaki blood line, which is directly denoted by their unique hair-colour.

The manga states it very clearly. Bolt, genetically, maybe linked to Uzumakis but he sure as hell would never share their full-bloodied traits. And, it's the second generation from a watered down father. Whether you agree with this or not is your call.

I have no idea what you are referring to because we haven't discussed this before, from memory. Anyway, I'll just answer this from my last post to clear up confusion if you somehow missed my point.

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Whichever genes he inherited, they robbed him of the essence of Uzumaki blood line, which is directly denoted by their unique hair-colour.

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The manga states it very clearly. Bolt, genetically, maybe linked to Uzumakis but he sure as hell would never share their full-bloodied traits

Well obviously he isn't a 'Full Uzumaki' like Nagato, Karin, or Kushina

Hopefully you don't think I was arguing that he would be in the same league as them.

And, it's the second generation from a watered down father. Whether you agree with this or not is your call.

But that doesn't range well considering that even Naruto was stated to have inherited the same powerful chakra (which according to Kushina she had something similar), which is why he was capable of holding down Kurama, and that he resisted momentarily (I would say a few seconds) the Bijuu extraction before his timely death unlike Gaara who died instantly after.

If you took your time here, I was comparing Naruto to his mother. Both were stated to have powerful chakra in order to stabilize the Bijuu in their body. Would Bolt have the same thing? Probably. Would it be as potent as the former? No, did I state differently, no?

The same goes for the Bijuu extraction. I was pointing out that Kushina survived on her deathbed for a long period of time, while in comparison Naruto survived but only for a few seconds until Sakura sustained his life. The point I was making is that, despite being watered down versions of their full-blooded Clan members, they still retain Uzumaki traits.

 

[shelke]

I have no idea what you are referring to because we haven't discussed this before, from memory. Anyway, I'll just answer this from my last post to clear up confusion if you somehow missed my point.

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Hopefully you don't think I was arguing that he would be in the same league as them.



If you took your time here, I was comparing Naruto to his mother. Both were stated to have powerful chakra in order to stabilize the Bijuu in their body. Would Bolt have the same thing? Probably. Would it be as potent as the former? No, did I state differently, no?

The same goes for the Bijuu extraction. I was pointing out that Kushina survived on deathbed, for a long period of time, while in comparison Naruto survived but only for a few seconds until Sakura sustained his live. The point I was making is that, despite being watered down versions of their full-blooded Clan members, they still retain Uzumaki traits.

How much of that has been retained by Bolt? That is the question as Naruto was already pretty poor by comparison ... and he is from the second generation already.

 

[lndra]

How much of that has been retained by Bolt? That is the question as Naruto was already pretty poor by comparison ... and he is from the second generation already.

My best guess is that he has the capability of possibly being a Jinchuriki, but unlike his Grandmother/father, he would die instantly like Gaara from a Bijuu extraction.

I'll assume the only thing we can distinctively link him and the Clan together would be his slightly high chakra reserves compared to the average shinobi. Outside of that, nothing.

TLDR; His chakra reserves, stamina, and life force will all be a bit average from the norm, but nothing extravagant compared to his ancestors.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Was going with this thread until I saw uzumaki clan,D rank?? A clan that originated from asura,d rank,below hatake clan?? Smh

in fairness, 99% of uzumakis where fodders who got wiped out before the manga started.