All Hokages except Tobirama were a failure

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tobirama created edo tensei, and his reign was pretty short. every hokage contributed. and hashirama created the village making him better than tobirama ever was.

he came to power, and died, in the first shinobi world war

These dialogues proves that each hokage have shortcomings. In fact it is debatable that only tobirama did his job properly.
For everyones sake, please stop making threads like these that belittle Tobirama. He is awesome and the boss........ :scorps:

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Tobirama was the only one who knew what he was doing, he made divisions, made village system, made people aware of the facts about Uchiha Clan and even saved Hiruzen and Danzo from dying, who later on became the ones protecting the village.


Hashirama - Failed because he didn't know he was making lots of mistakes, fell under the genjutsu of Madara, and thought he killed him, should have killed Madara right when Tobirama had told him so, eventually Itachi had to kill them all and take that burden.

Hiruzen - Did alot for the clans, and managed to protect Leaf Village from all troubles. Failed because he chose Minato as the next Hokage over Lord Orochimaru.

Minato - LOL , what a joke he was, left his two students to die(one however saved by Madara), couldn't save his wife, placed a very big burden on Naruto by sealing Kurama inside him. He was the biggest failure.
I think Lord Orochimaru and Danzo should have been next Hokage if Hiruzen wanted to retire. Not Minato.
If however he wanted to make someone Intelligent as Hokage, Shikamaru's Father would have been the best choice.

i'll try to go by ur logic

madara - lol he failed to protect his brother izuna while he was fighting right in front of him, could have lived happily tried to control the world, put all the burden on an emo obito. he was the biggest failure of the manga.


itachi - LOL , what a joke he was, failed to realize what will happen next after his death. went on to spy failed to give any in-tell on them so konoha people can prepare for anything. failed to kill oro , failed to stop madara . failed to stop akastsuki. failed as son failed as boyfriend. failed as brother.

ur thread is a joke if u think oro or danzo should have been hokage.

it's clearly a character bashing thread started by an itachi fanboy.
 
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Hiruzen did not truly fail

from how hokage is chosen he can only make a recommendation then the advisers take a vote.
 

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i'll try to go by ur logic

madara - lol he failed to protect his brother izuna while he was fighting right in front of him, could have lived happily tried to control the world, put all the burden on an emo obito. he was the biggest failure of the manga.


itachi - LOL , what a joke he was, failed to realize what will happen next after his death. went on to spy failed to give any in-tell on them so konoha people can prepare for anything. failed to kill oro , failed to stop madara . failed to stop akastsuki. failed as son failed as boyfriend. failed as brother.

ur thread is a joke if u think oro or danzo should have been hokage.

it's clearly a character bashing thread started by an itachi fanboy.
Funny, everything you posted is true and those characters are failures
 

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Didn't Tobirama creating Edo Tensei bring the current problem to rise? He seems to be the biggest failure here. And saying Minato is a failure is BS. He did what every Hokage aimed to do, protect the village. It cost him his and his wife's lives but he got it done and still managed to insure a future to his son. Without the Kyuubi's help in Naruto's battles everyone would be off way worse, he placed his faith in his son and it paid off period. And Obito chose his own fate and became overly evil over one freakin chick.
 

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If Hashirama is a failure.. then Tobirama is a Disgrace to the ninja world. If you simply didn't understand the goal, don't call others failure. Hashirama completed his goal as the Founding Hokage. The followers ****ed up his dream.


Tobirama is the Hokage who keeps contradicting himself.

"Uchiha most loyal".. yet he treated them like scum...... MAKES NO SENSE.
 

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Didn't Tobirama creating Edo Tensei bring the current problem to rise? He seems to be the biggest failure here. And saying Minato is a failure is BS. He did what every Hokage aimed to do, protect the village. It cost him his and his wife's lives but he got it done and still managed to insure a future to his son. Without the Kyuubi's help in Naruto's battles everyone would be off way worse, he placed his faith in his son and it paid off period. And Obito chose his own fate and became overly evil over one freakin chick.

Every hokage named has protected the village, that doesnt make him better than the other hokages however. Effectively he didnt really do anything and just ended up getting himself killed. That may be blunt but its the truth. Also giving naruto the kyuubi could have taken a dramatic turn and he may have even ended up like gaara. He was lonely for majority of his life and probably still is lonely.

Also Obito is doing what naruto wanted to do since part one. Create a peaceful world, he just decided to go about it in a different way.
 

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I kinda agree with you
 

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Every hokage named has protected the village, that doesnt make him better than the other hokages however. Effectively he didnt really do anything and just ended up getting himself killed. That may be blunt but its the truth. Also giving naruto the kyuubi could have taken a dramatic turn and he may have even ended up like gaara. He was lonely for majority of his life and probably still is lonely.

Also Obito is doing what naruto wanted to do since part one. Create a peaceful world, he just decided to go about it in a different way.

What you're saying is basically a "what-if" scenario. Naruto never became like Gaara so what's the point in bringing this up? And Minato already placed a contingency plan if ever Naruto bypassed 7 tails and it worked. And yeah I guess stopping the destruction of Konaha and more casualties is really doing nothing. Not to mention him soloing armies and preventing all out wars. I don't see the point here in justifying Minato being a failure, this isn't a blunt truth just a matter of opinion.
 

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What you're saying is basically a "what-if" scenario. Naruto never became like Gaara so what's the point in bringing this up? And Minato already placed a contingency plan if ever Naruto bypassed 7 tails and it worked. And yeah I guess stopping the destruction of Konaha and more casualties is really doing nothing. Not to mention him soloing armies and preventing all out wars. I don't see the point here in justifying Minato being a failure, this isn't a blunt truth just a matter of opinion.

Hiruzen in reality is the one who did the least, with the amount he was Hokage for.
 

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Didn't the 2nd Hokage invent the jutsu that has been used in 2 great ninja wars and has caused so many ninja to die?

Ohh yeah he invented the Edo tensei so basically it was his fault that the war is getting out of hand and why did tobirama create Edo tensei that's something I can't seem to figure out
 

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Hashi founded Konoha....
Tobi was a practical person....
Hiruzen passed on The Will Of Fire to most of the Konoha Shinobi in current NV....
Minato saved the village during 9 Tail's incident....
I think all of them have done their jobs successfully.... =D =D
 

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If it wasnt for tobirama madara wouldn't be on the battlefield meaning it would be the Alience plus the kages vs obito....think of how easy it would have been and Minato was never the child of prophecy so he saved the world by dying....and unlike itachi Or tobirama or hashi ALL of his plans that he came up with in minutes are coming true like obito will try to take over the world and naruto will fight him an save the world
 
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Tobirama was the only one who knew what he was doing, he made divisions, made village system, made people aware of the facts about Uchiha Clan and even saved Hiruzen and Danzo from dying, who later on became the ones protecting the village.


Hashirama - Failed because he didn't know he was making lots of mistakes, fell under the genjutsu of Madara, and thought he killed him, should have killed Madara right when Tobirama had told him so, eventually Itachi had to kill them all and take that burden.

Hiruzen - Did alot for the clans, and managed to protect Leaf Village from all troubles. Failed because he chose Minato as the next Hokage over Lord Orochimaru.

Minato - LOL , what a joke he was, left his two students to die(one however saved by Madara), couldn't save his wife, placed a very big burden on Naruto by sealing Kurama inside him. He was the biggest failure.
I think Lord Orochimaru and Danzo should have been next Hokage if Hiruzen wanted to retire. Not Minato.
If however he wanted to make someone Intelligent as Hokage, Shikamaru's Father would have been the best choice.


So Tobirama is the only one we can say who kept the village in peace.

Opinions?

Hashirama established the village (no Hashirama and his dream, no Konoha) so fail.

Tobirama, I agree he did all what you've listed.

Hiruzen have choosen Minato over Orochimaru cos Orochimaru wouldn't care abt village, despite he was experimenting on people with jutsu. Before he protect and maintain village during the times of war.

Minato's student, Obito went missing during the war, during the mission, things like this happen while fighting. Obito Kakashi and Rin had their task while Minato had another one. We don't know why Kakashi stabbed Rin so we can't just say Minato let her die. It's like saying some teacher let his student die when he wasn't even there to stop it in the first place... Unless shown differently in manga i will disagree with anybody stating Minato let Rin die.In the first place it was stated by Obito it was Kakashi who let her die. Other than that Minato did everything he could do defend village and his family. For Kushina was too late, Naruto would probably be a Jinchuriki anyway since he was only Uzumaki village would have at this time so in fact Minato has chosen to die in order to let Kushina talk with Naruto one day. It was his choice. Aside of that, because Minato sealed Kyuubi in Naruto now the alliance stands some chances against Madara, Obito and Juubi. If he didn't, Kyuubi would either roam free being great danger or he'd be captured by Akatsuki long time ago and then everybody would be f***ed.
When judging somebody you should look at every aspect objectively. Not just see what you want to see. Though i agree with one thing.
Even though I'm Minato fan i have to admit that his reign as a Hokage seems the least impressive. Though I disagree with statement that Danzo or Orochimaru should be Hokage. Danzo was a manipulative b*tch without feelings, a dictator. Orochimaru had his own village of sound and we could see how he treated his subordinates... Keeping them locked in prisons, using them for his personal profits, experimenting on them etc. He was even worse than Danzo.
And this are the people you'd choose to decide of the village??? Nice way to go...
It's not only about strength you know, the leadership...
 
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