(all facts) Some idiocies I've reading and felt the need to correct.

[ImNoOne]

Great post. I love the bit where you said anything can happen even if it sounds stupid. I hate it when peoples say that such and such isn't going to happen. thanks for making this.

INO

Well if it's possible it can't be ruled out and if it's as likely from logical point of view then it's as safe a bet as anyone else's. I didn't think Tobi could ever be Obito, but he was so.. anything is possible.

 

[KingHashirama]

Monks have clans?

 

[ImNoOne]

In a world structured by clans everybody belongs/was born to/into a clan.

 

[raziel777]

If you'd be so kind as to read this thread:

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where I prove that ''use of all chakra types'' is not achievable simply by having the Rinnegan and therefore is not a Rinnegan ability..
In the same thread I also explain why Edo Tensei users actually need to know how to preform the techniques. May I refer that Kabuto had loads of time to prepare and learn everything.
And that Obito has a sharingan and therefore only needs to see the techniques once + Zetsu recorded every single battle worth seeing so that Obito could actually see for himself. Never wonder why this was? If Tobi only needed to know what happened a resume/report would suffice, but he wants to see it. Just like Kakashi, after watching a technique he will know how to do it.

You are wrong ( bold part ) seeing a tech doesnt automatically allow you to use it. You have to be skilled enough to be able to use the tech. That's why people think kakashi is such a skilled sharingan user, his ninjutsu copy cat capabilities far exceed that of any uchiha we've been shown even Itachi acknowledge that fact.
The Sharingan's third and most well-known ability is that it grants the user the ability to copy almost any technique that he or she witnesses, apart from other kekkei genkai techniques. The user can memorise ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu with near-perfect accuracy, allowing the user to use the techniques as their own, or even modify them to create their own new techniques, much like Sasuke Uchiha's Lion Combo. In order to reproduce a copied technique, however, one must have the necessary skill or ability to perform them. A prime example is Rock Lee's brand of taijutsu. While Sasuke was able to copy some of Lee's moves, they put a much more significant strain on him since he hadn't trained nearly as much as Lee had. In addition to physical skill and kekkei genkai techniques, the Sharingan cannot reproduce techniques dependent on other factors, such as summons that the user has not signed a contract with.


You can say you have proven that use of all chakra types is not a rinnegan ability but the manga clearly stated otherwise. It has also been stated that one person is not limited to one chakra types, with enough training you can master all of them but it is extremely difficult to learn all of them in one lifetime.
Because of the difficulty of mastering a nature and the time required to learn it, it is almost impossible for any one person to master all five natures through natural methods. However, those who possess the Rinnegan or Bashōsen can use all five elements, while Kakuzu got them by stealing other people's hearts. I got this from naruto wikia, I don't remember the exact chapter. It is one of the rinnegan abilities you can't just deny what have been said.

Anyway this your theory, it just so happens that I dont agree with you. The manga will prove one of us wrong in the future. all we have to do is wait

 

[ImNoOne]

You are wrong ( bold part ) seeing a tech doesnt automatically allow you to use it. You have to be skilled enough to be able to use the tech. That's why people think kakashi is such a skilled sharingan user, his ninjutsu copy cat capabilities far exceed that of any uchiha we've been shown even Itachi acknowledge that fact.
The Sharingan's third and most well-known ability is that it grants the user the ability to copy almost any technique that he or she witnesses, apart from other kekkei genkai techniques. The user can memorise ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu with near-perfect accuracy, allowing the user to use the techniques as their own, or even modify them to create their own new techniques, much like Sasuke Uchiha's Lion Combo. In order to reproduce a copied technique, however, one must have the necessary skill or ability to perform them. A prime example is Rock Lee's brand of taijutsu. While Sasuke was able to copy some of Lee's moves, they put a much more significant strain on him since he hadn't trained nearly as much as Lee had. In addition to physical skill and kekkei genkai techniques, the Sharingan cannot reproduce techniques dependent on other factors, such as summons that the user has not signed a contract with.


You can say you have proven that use of all chakra types is not a rinnegan ability but the manga clearly stated otherwise. It has also been stated that one person is not limited to one chakra types, with enough training you can master all of them but it is extremely difficult to learn all of them in one lifetime.
Because of the difficulty of mastering a nature and the time required to learn it, it is almost impossible for any one person to master all five natures through natural methods. However, those who possess the Rinnegan or Bashōsen can use all five elements, while Kakuzu got them by stealing other people's hearts. I got this from naruto wikia, I don't remember the exact chapter. It is one of the rinnegan abilities you can't just deny what have been said.

Anyway this your theory, it just so happens that I dont agree with you. The manga will prove one of us wrong in the future. all we have to do is wait

I agree that anybody can learn all 5 in time and have stated as much before, but that only further proves that mastering all elements it's not a Rinnegan technique. The eyes help achieving that but they alone are not enough. If they were Madara and Obito would be using all 5 elements like Nagato did.

As for Obito not being skilled enough to use the Sharingans copy abilities... lol not even you really believe that.

But you are right, this is only a theory and time will prove me either wrong or right.

 

[raziel777]

As for Obito not being skilled enough.

Ahah I know he is a mad skilled ninja, I meant '' maybe not skilled enough to copy and use S or A rank elemental jutsu on the spot'' BUT the rinnegan's ''all chakra nature'' + sharingan copy + obito's skills should be enough to copy high jutsus. So you could be right but I think they just had no use for elemental jutsus, they had : susano, mokuton, meteorite, high katon, jinchuurikis.. Let's wait, it was nice having a discussion w/ you

 

[ImNoOne]

Thank you for arguing or points

 

[TJ0001]

Correct me if I'm wrong but from what it looks like, your just countering assumptions with more assumptions.

 

[ImNoOne]

No I'm dismissing assumptions based on the lack of evidence to support them. And establishing new theories that can be supported by the information we already got. I'm not claiming to be all knowing but I am claiming that the assumption that mastering all 5 elements is a Rinnegan treat is pure speculation, not supported by the manga and therefore false.

You can say people have posted manga scans stating otherwise, but people may say whatever they want with a manga scan it doesn't forcibly make their point valid. i.e. Should I post this scan:

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and then claim that all Uchiha's have Rinnegan and MS.. Would it be true? No it's still false despite of having a manga scan with two Uchiha's baring Rinnegan and MS.

The assumption was made regarding the Rinnegan because Jiraiya said that the eyes helped Nagato mastering all 5 elements. That doesn't mean all Rinnegan users can use all 5 elements. Madara and Obito haven't shown to be able to do it.

My theory is a theory but one that has logic and the Manga to support it, the same can't be said of the "Rinnegan granting all 5 elements" theory, which is all that is a theory.