Alive Minato

[Penguin]

First off, Orochimaru paralysed Tobirama with his basic restraint. He said himself he could strengthen it if he wanted to.

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Uhmm, are we reading different manga?

Also, Orochimaru can simply erase his Edos' minds to turn them into killing machines that work under his control. So please, do not turn into another Oro hater sayin he has no control over his Edo.

With a tagged kunai and the formula, but would Minato let Orochimaru do all that? I think not. u.u

You obviously didn't read where I said Orochimaru has a chance.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Some say Minato cannot use BSM, but I see no reason why he cannot use BM and make a shadow clone version of himself in sage mode. The same way Naruto did.

 

[Joker]

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Uhmm, are we reading different manga?



With a tagged kunai and the formula, but would Minato let Orochimaru do all that? I think not. u.u

You obviously didn't read where I said Orochimaru has a chance.

Orochimaru can make Tobirama do whatever he wants Penguin, you must be forgetting the fact that his base chakra strength is on par if no stronger than Tobirama himself and most Senju. Orochimaru can simply erase his mind with a handseal similar to Kabuto.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Orochimaru can make Tobirama do whatever he wants Penguin, you must be forgetting the fact that his base chakra strength is on par if no stronger than Tobirama himself and most Senju. Orochimaru can simply erase his mind with a handseal similar to Kabuto.

I don't seem to recall Orochimaru putting tags in their heads.

 

[Joker]

I don't seem to recall Orochimaru putting tags in their heads.

He implied that he didn't need too.

 

[Haizaki]

Minato takes this

 

[Gold Lightning]

He implied that he didn't need too.

Wasn't that just him being cocky with his new senju dna

But without tags he cannot make them into mindless puppets right?

 

[Joker]

Wasn't that just him being cocky with his new senju dna

But without tags he cannot make them into mindless puppets right?

He implied that he could, saying he was being cocky infront of the four Hokages isn't really helping considering his reaction to Hashirama spiking his chakra.

 

[Penguin]

Orochimaru can make Tobirama do whatever he wants Penguin, you must be forgetting the fact that his base chakra strength is on par if no stronger than Tobirama himself and most Senju. Orochimaru can simply erase his mind with a handseal similar to Kabuto.

He was using his full chakra prowess to restrain Tobirama, as he couldn't raise his chakra anymore for Hashirama. That is the way I saw it. u.u

 

[Gold Lightning]

He implied that he could, saying he was being cocky infront of the four Hokages isn't really helping considering his reaction to Hashirama spiking his chakra.

I think Hashirama surprised him.

All I'm saying is I don't think Oro is able to shut off their personalities without tags, whether he implied it or not isn't really clear. We know he could paralyze Tobirama but I don't think he can be controlled. Only one I think can be controlled is Hiruzen, and if it was Minato I think his Kurama would help him from being completely controlled.

 

[Joker]

I think Hashirama surprised him.

All I'm saying is I don't think Oro is able to shut off their personalities without tags, whether he implied it or not isn't really clear. We know he could paralyze Tobirama but I don't think he can be controlled. Only one I think can be controlled is Hiruzen, and if it was Minato I think his Kurama would help him from being completely controlled.

Well until proven otherwise we can't really say, plus i'm pretty sure if Orochimaru controls Minato he also manipulates Kurama because he's a perfect Jinjuuriki

 

[Gold Lightning]

Well until proven otherwise we can't really say, plus i'm pretty sure if Orochimaru controls Minato he also manipulates Kurama because he's a perfect Jinjuuriki

Yeah it's just speculation.

He may be able to control Minato but I don't think he controls the tailed beast within. Unlike Obito, he doesn't have Minato staked with chakra rods and controlling them with Rinnegan. I'm sure Kurama would fight back.

 

[Joker]

Yeah it's just speculation.

He may be able to control Minato but I don't think he controls the tailed beast within. Unlike Obito, he doesn't have Minato staked with chakra rods and controlling them with Rinnegan. I'm sure Kurama would fight back.

Well we can't really say he can't until proven otherwise, unless you have scans hinting he can't v_v

 

[Avinash012]

Well until proven otherwise we can't really say, plus i'm pretty sure if Orochimaru controls Minato he also manipulates Kurama because he's a perfect Jinjuuriki

Minato is a perfect jin because Kyuubi allowed him to use it's power which means that Kyuubi can stop cooperating with him whenever he want so Kyuubi has no reason to obey every order of Minato.It can go against Minato if Kyuubi wanted to,no need to mention Kyuubi can take over him pretty easily as the seal is opened.

 

[Joker]

Minato is a perfect jin because Kyuubi allowed him to use it's power which means that Kyuubi can stop cooperating with him whenever he want so Kyuubi has no reason to obey every order of Minato.It can go against Minato if Kyuubi wanted to,no need to mention Kyuubi can take over him pretty easily as the seal is opened.

Can't Orochimaru manipulate Minato to close the seal though.....?

 

[Avinash012]

Can't Orochimaru manipulate Minato to close the seal though.....?

Possible but still he can't control Kyuubi.

 

[KillerMongoose]

As far as I am concerned if Alive Minato is allowed to have SM than so is Orochimaru. We have never seen Minato use SM while alive, so I do not consider it part of his power, unless he is an edo.

Eight Branches solos alive Minato

DSM Orochimaru > TSM Minato. I know the first thing that people will say is that even if Orochimaru had SM he has no feats. My retort to that is Minato does have SM (in Edo Tensie,) but the only feat he has shown is getting owned by Madara in a single manga page or less.

 

[Gold Lightning]

As far as I am concerned if Alive Minato is allowed to have SM than so is Orochimaru. We have never seen Minato use SM while alive, so I do not consider it part of his power, unless he is an edo.

So he just to become a perfect sage and mastered senjutsu after observing Naruto right

Some people U_U

 

[Sennin of Logic]

As far as I am concerned if Alive Minato is allowed to have SM than so is Orochimaru. We have never seen Minato use SM while alive, so I do not consider it part of his power, unless he is an edo.

Eight Branches solos alive Minato

DSM Orochimaru > TSM Minato. I know the first thing that people will say is that even if Orochimaru had SM he has no feats. My retort to that is Minato does have SM (in Edo Tensie,) but the only feat he has shown is getting owned by Madara in a single manga page or less.

Orochimaru's not a sage period. He couldn't find a good enough body to learn it.

 

[Avinash012]

As far as I am concerned if Alive Minato is allowed to have SM than so is Orochimaru. We have never seen Minato use SM while alive, so I do not consider it part of his power, unless he is an edo.

Eight Branches solos alive Minato

DSM Orochimaru > TSM Minato

So u think Minato learned SM in a few mins and used perfect Sage mode of all things without having any prior experience?