After bringing you here on Madara's orders...

[Floydical]

This line really confused me because now we have contradicting evidence in regard to this issue. In 602, Madara says he is astonished that Obito is alive and that he seemed to 'slip through' the boulders. He also says that he FOUND him in his underground passage, meaning Obito slipped through the ground, possibly bringing the rock with him, and re-solidified in Madara's passageway.

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But in 603, Zetsu states that Madara ordered them to retrieve Obito and bring him to him. After they did that, Madara blocked the way out so Obito could not leave.

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I feel that these are contradictory statements and I feel that Kishi would have been better off sticking with the first one. What do you guys think?

 

[Gooner4life]

That is a good point, the second one isn't as interesting but it makes more sense, and the zetsu could could just slip through.

 

[~Madara Uchiha~]

ummm who says obito can bring stuff with him to kamui when he takes his body there......

 

[Funny]

Good Point O_O

 

[Floydical]

I forgot to mention if Madara did order the Zetsu to retrieve Obito, that means he was aware of his mission and was aware he got injured. Imo, that makes for a very unlikely scenario and that is why I feel Kishi's original explanation makes more sense, even if it is very unlikely Obito would actually get injured and phase through rock that is directly above Madara's chamber.

 

[Germanicus]

Ummm...just to bring up an opinion, but, considering Madara is evil...isn't it very possible he just told Obito that in attempt to get Obito to trust him? Rather than saying "hey kid, you were half dead, so I abducted and experimented on you without any permission. Now you're gonna help me control the world, alright? Kay, thanks!"

 

[~Puppet Master~]

Well I thought it was pretty obvious that Madara lied to Obito, because his true intentions with him are evil.
The two androids are honest and told him the truth but Madara just made it all up to keep Obito there.

 

[Amelius]

This is really easy to answer, Madara found him in the cave, just as he said, and he had zetsu bring him inside then he sealed the door. how is that so confusing? Madara is an OLD man, there is no way he could have picked up Obito

 

[Gooner4life]

I forgot to mention if Madara did order the Zetsu to retrieve Obito, that means he was aware of his mission and was aware he got injured. Imo, that makes for a very unlikely scenario and that is why I feel Kishi's original explanation makes more sense, even if it is very unlikely Obito would actually get injured and phase through rock that is directly above Madara's chamber.

That is also true, it creates an Aizen scenario where the main villain seems to be omniscient, making it seem very unrealistic. That being said, he could have just has a zetsu looking out, he won't want to get caught after all.

 

[Floydical]

ummm who says obito can bring stuff with him to kamui when he takes his body there......

I said it was possible. Madara went out of his way to say that there was a crumbled rock next to him. If that were the case, I'd say its more likely that such a rock probably phased through the ground with Obito. It doesn't make sense to me either, but I think it has to be considered if what Madara said was true. Perhaps he unknowingly absorbed it into his dimension, phased back when he hit the ground below and brought it back out? Idk

Ummm...just to bring up an opinion, but, considering Madara is evil...isn't it very possible he just told Obito that in attempt to get Obito to trust him? Rather than saying "hey kid, you were half dead, so I abducted and experimented on you without any permission. Now you're gonna help me control the world, alright? Kay, thanks!"

So your saying that Madara lied and said that it was a coincidence that Obito ended up there when in actuality he abducted him? Well thats a good story but it means some pretty crazy things.

1. Madara knew about Obito before hand and knew he got hurt in the way he did. This means he likely had Zetsu following him everywhere and happened to be able to save him. All that preparation for a boy that hadn't even awakened sharingan yet? Considering he didn't awaken it until minutes before his 'death'.

2. Madara just happens to mention 'phasing through' rocks despite it being an outright lie? I mean it would make sense that he would say that if he had no idea how Obito survived, but if its all a lie, why would he say something like that? And if he was lying, does that mean he knows about Obito's MS ability? I just honestly feel that if that was a lie, it would imply Madara knew things he couldn't possibly know, ie Obito's future MS ability.

 

[Ryan Ensign]

I think the Zetsu's brought him there, I don't trust that old pervert lol, don't believe a word he says.

 

[Shadowkiller56]

I think the whole, "slipped right through", is a figure of speech really. I don't think Madara means it literally.

 

[Floydical]

This is really easy to answer, Madara found him in the cave, just as he said, and he had zetsu bring him inside then he sealed the door. how is that so confusing? Madara is an OLD man, there is no way he could have picked up Obito

I really, really like your answer because it would make sense. Its possible that madara saw obito lying there, possibly out of his reach since he's connected to the Mazou, and had Zetsu retrieve him.

Simple enough, but then how did he get the boulder in place to block the way? You say he's an old man that can't pick up a small child, I believe that, but then again he can move a gigantic boulder? It doesn't make sense to me, and don't tell me he did it with the Rinnegan because he doesn't have it. Mazou is the only explanation I can think of (moving the rock that is) but that was never stated.

 

[twerped12321]

madera said he found him next to a crumbled boulder not a whole boulder. and im sure madera has zetsus watching throughout his hideout let alone the above world to know whats going on around him. more than likely its a new boulder he used to block the entrance.

 

[Amelius]

I really, really like your answer because it would make sense. Its possible that madara saw obito lying there, possibly out of his reach since he's connected to the Mazou, and had Zetsu retrieve him.

Simple enough, but then how did he get the boulder in place to block the way? You say he's an old man that can't pick up a small child, I believe that, but then again he can move a gigantic boulder? It doesn't make sense to me, and don't tell me he did it with the Rinnegan because he doesn't have it. Mazou is the only explanation I can think of (moving the rock that is) but that was never stated.

All zetsu said was he closed the passage with the rock, He didnt say Madara moved/summoned/created. The huge rock have just been a (one-way) door meaning once it was shut, it couldnt be opened. OR it could be a door and Obito just doesnt know where the lever is the raise it. Idk there are a fwe options! But no-one said he put the rock there, only that he closed the door with it.

 

[Uchiha Villians]

Maybe Madara lied to give Obito hope in his abilities? idk or maybe Madara was talking BS again.

 

[Floydical]

All zetsu said was he closed the passage with the rock, He didnt say Madara moved/summoned/created. The huge rock have just been a (one-way) door meaning once it was shut, it couldnt be opened. OR it could be a door and Obito just doesnt know where the lever is the raise it. Idk there are a fwe options! But no-one said he put the rock there, only that he closed the door with it.

I guess there could be some sort of lever, but wouldn't have Zetsu told Obito about it while Madara was sleeping? Madara did something to close it off, I think he was able to manage it but simply could not reach Obito where he landed in the hideout because it was out of his reach while hooked to the statue.

Maybe Madara lied to give Obito hope in his abilities? idk or maybe Madara was talking BS again.

Ya but it would be crazy to think that Madara actually knew about Obito's MS ability. I think its far more likely that he simply thought it was crazy that Obito just appeared in the hideout, assuming 'slipping through' was the only real explanation.

 

[TurrinB]

Yeah I talk about the same thing in my audio review of the chapter check it out if your interested OP:

[video=youtube;c2oljSMaGZk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2oljSMaGZk[/video]